Enachos
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I voted yes. But just last night my buddy shot himself in the leg with a full size xd in .45. I attribute that to poor trigger discipline.
He's doing good though. It was in and out...
He's doing good though. It was in and out...
Springfield XD Grip Safety
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What I don't understand is all these people talking about snagging the trigger on a garment. The only way I could see someone doing that is if you try reholstering with one hand or reholster in a rapid manner. Is there some other way people could actually snag the trigger that I'm not thinking of?
Personally, I have worn a wide variety of shirts, coats, wind breakers, and fleeces while training (as I'm sure many others have). Not once have I been close to snagging the trigger. Just like when I unholster my gun I rip my garment up with my off-hand and well out of the way. In addition, I do not reholster rapidly because there is no reason to and don't plan on having to do it in a sd situation. Is there a reason (that I'm not thinking of) to reholster in a rapid manner?
Personally, I have worn a wide variety of shirts, coats, wind breakers, and fleeces while training (as I'm sure many others have). Not once have I been close to snagging the trigger. Just like when I unholster my gun I rip my garment up with my off-hand and well out of the way. In addition, I do not reholster rapidly because there is no reason to and don't plan on having to do it in a sd situation. Is there a reason (that I'm not thinking of) to reholster in a rapid manner?
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REAPER4206969
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Very well played!
What I don't understand is all these people talking about snagging the trigger on a garment. The only way I could see someone doing that is if you try reholstering with one hand or reholster in a rapid manner. Is there some other way people could actually snag the trigger that I'm not thinking of?
Yeah essentially it is assuming human nature, people get lazy and holster without making sure their holster is clear. I do a lot of shooting where I draw shoot and holster because in most defense situations you will be shooting from the draw. With my cz85 on safe I can rearrange clothing and get back in the holster without worrying about without worrying about any kind of snag. I look at as anything that can go wrong, will go wrong so plan appropriately. For me I like sa with safety on as my carry setup but it does not make it more safe only that a glock has slightly different considerations when handling.
A police officer set a loaded glock on his desk out of its holster. Later he picked it up one finger over the barrel and his other hand on the back strap and it went off injuring the man's hand permanently. This is unsafe with any pistol, disregarding the fact he had his hand over the barrel, if the gun had still gone off he could of hit someone next to him. You can't leave a pistol loaded, amongst debris, with it's controls unprotected. Now a grip safety or manual safety may have stopped this accident but it is not an excuse for poor handling. The thing is I see no harm in the grip safety. I have heard one person say that police will never accept it because of the grip safety and it is because if an attacker is choking you from behind, you you can't orient the gun in this manner and still fire the gun: he proceeded to take an unloaded gun put his thumb in the trigger guard and the back strap on his palm and point it over his shoulder. An idiot like that should not make any conjectures about firearms.
Yeah essentially it is assuming human nature, people get lazy and holster without making sure their holster is clear. I do a lot of shooting where I draw shoot and holster because in most defense situations you will be shooting from the draw. With my cz85 on safe I can rearrange clothing and get back in the holster without worrying about without worrying about any kind of snag. I look at as anything that can go wrong, will go wrong so plan appropriately. For me I like sa with safety on as my carry setup but it does not make it more safe only that a glock has slightly different considerations when handling.
A police officer set a loaded glock on his desk out of its holster. Later he picked it up one finger over the barrel and his other hand on the back strap and it went off injuring the man's hand permanently. This is unsafe with any pistol, disregarding the fact he had his hand over the barrel, if the gun had still gone off he could of hit someone next to him. You can't leave a pistol loaded, amongst debris, with it's controls unprotected. Now a grip safety or manual safety may have stopped this accident but it is not an excuse for poor handling. The thing is I see no harm in the grip safety. I have heard one person say that police will never accept it because of the grip safety and it is because if an attacker is choking you from behind, you you can't orient the gun in this manner and still fire the gun: he proceeded to take an unloaded gun put his thumb in the trigger guard and the back strap on his palm and point it over his shoulder. An idiot like that should not make any conjectures about firearms.
I would have no qualms about carrying a Glock like I carry my XD's on a daily basis despite the lack of a grip safety on the Glock. Like many have stated they are two different actions hence the fact that they are in two different shooting categories for both IDPA and USPSA shooting. *If* they had the same action, they would be in the same classes for both IDPA and USPSA. I routinely carry my XD's, but I also carry my CZ SP-01 in the winter months (no safety, hammer decocked, round in the chamber). They make guns with all different kinds of safety devices for all kinds of people that want different types of safeties. If you don't like it or think it's un-necessary, you are entitled to your opinion. Personally I don't like manual safeties because I know how *I* shoot and what *my* capabilities are when I'm stressed. I would much rather have a passive safety I don't have to think about to disengage. I know training can make it almost automatic to disengage a safety. Regardless of a grip safety, I want my carry gun to function when I need it too. All four of the XD's I've owned have always done that regardless of the quality of the ammo they have been fed. I can't say that for my CZ or the 1911 I sold. Personal experiences will point you in the direction of the right gun for you - grip safety or not.
scoutsabout
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The 1911 was originally designed WITHOUT a grip safety... but our illustrious desk molesting brass types wanted something more, kind of like when they went to a varmint round during Vietnam.
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REAPER4206969
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Wrong. They requested the thumb lock.
possum
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you have a whole lifetime to reholster your gun, get it out fast and put it back in at a safe pace, and using common sense and you won't have trouble re holstering any handgun.
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