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Spyderco Warning

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by ugaarguy, Feb 1, 2014.

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  1. Valkman

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    That's good to hear that he listened and will address the issues. I'll be interested in what follows.
     
  2. Elkins45

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    Every brand of (insert mechanical object here) has a thread just like this one on some forum somewhere. Anything that's mass produced will have such issues. I can say that I probably own 50 Spyderco knives and none of them have these problems. The only time I ever needed replacement parts was when one of mine too a trip through the washing machine and disassembled itself.

    I'm probably being a fanboy here, but I'm confident Spyderco will take care of it.
     
  3. Madcap_Magician

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    Sal and Eric are good folks, I am confident they will make it right. Les from Benchmade would do the same, and Kershaw (while owned by some Japanese company now) has a couple of reps who are knife forum frequenters and responsible for the massive increase in Kershaw quality and offerings in the last ten years as well as the ZT line in general. I would buy confidently from all three.
     
  4. jrdolall

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    I quit carrying a pocket knife after TSA took #6 a few years ago. I could never remember to take it out before headed to the terminal.

    Now I need one about every day and don't ever have one in the pocket.

    PS. TSA is happy to take all brands.
     
  5. Yo Mama

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    1. Why not just let them fix it? I had a warranty issue with Spyderco, and yes I paid 6 bucks. Second time they paid. You can even send them all in at once and pay the same for shipping.

    2. A month? I just got mine back in a week. I was just told that Taurus has a 2 month wait. In the end you'll get it taken care of.

    3. It's a few stripped screws and patina if I understand you correctly. Yes I understand you're upset that China has the ability to put in a clip correctly, and yes you're justified to be annoyed, but in all your posts now you warn others to stay away from Spydercos. Some of the best blades I own are Spydercos, and yes very on par with ZT.
     
  6. SDC

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    I've got a number of Spyderco knives (Police, Endura, Manix, and others), and can't say I've ever been less than happy with any of them.
     
  7. DT Guy

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    I also have a ('Tenacious'? The biggest Chinese-made leaf blade folder) and it's also excellent; for the price, it's actually exceptional.

    I have about 30 folders here at the moment to compare my current Spyderco's to, and they're doing very well, indeed.

    Larry
     
  8. zhyla

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    I've bought so many Spyderco knives, from the 90's to a couple of last year's Manix 2's, with absolutely zero issues that I would probably chock this up to extreme bad luck. It's not really clear from the OP whether these screws are stripped or just not tight enought?

    The one issue I've seen was an Ambitious (Chinese line) that lost a clip screw. It was a gift for a relative, we probably should have loctited the screws when we repositioned the clip.
     
  9. JR47

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    My first Spyderco was a Standard, and the clip was part of the scale. I lost it at a building collapse in the early 1990's. I replaced it with another Standard that has the newer clip style. As I type this, it's sitting on my hip. It has been exposed to weather, chemicals, and hard use in Fire/EMS aboard a Heavy Squad.

    I've given away several dozen of them to friends and family over the years. Always new ones, and we, NONE of us, have ever had a problem.

    What, exactly, kind of environment are these knives used in?

    As for lubrication, why would anyone complain that the knives needed to be lubricated when new? Many people strip factory lubricants off of their knives, and apply their own particular favorite. Same with checking screws upon receipt. We routinely check the screws on our new guns before using them, don't we?

    I hope that Spyderco helps you, if only to shut this thread down.
     
  10. ugaarguy

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    Lots of responses since my last post, so I'll answer each of you in a big response.

    Normally I'd agree. However, the consistency of the problems between manufacturing locations within a fairly small manufacturing trends away from this being a coincidence.
    I hear this from many folks. As I wrote in my last post, after speaking to Eric yesterday I am now cautiously optimistic.

     
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    My younger brother had an issue. He contacted Sal through a forum and new/better parts arrived in the mail in just a few days. They took care of him.
     
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    I will agree that pocket clip screws do not appear to be their strong point. I've owned probably two dozen Spydercos, and this only happened on my current one, but the screws started loosening over time. This was an issue solely because I don't have a torx wrench in whatever size it is they use.

    I sent the knife in for the $5 resharpening (There was a slight nick in the tip that a grinder would get out, but I couldn't get it out on my diamond stone), and asked them to fix the clip, and I have had no problems with it since.
     
  14. 9mmforMe

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    Shut the thread down? Why would you want this done if the point of the forum is written discourse which conveys information regarding all aspects of gun/knife ownership? I think that the thread is under control by Ug, and I for one find it an interesting read to discover the processes of Ug's experience with a current production knife and a leader in the mass knife producing community. Nothing has seemed inappropriate, except perhaps comments by the gentleman who suggested the shutdown. I think the moderators, to include Ug, do a fine job here, so why not leave it be?
     
  15. DT Guy

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    Personally, I think the 'Warning' is a bit strong; any company has issues, and I see Spyderco having fewer than other makers, to be honest.

    That said, I do like hearing about things like this, and it does influence my purchasing decisions.

    Larry
     
  16. mole

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    Wow, one post changed by two mods. I must be on a roll. I wouldn't consider it a "non THR jab" though. Just a little ribbing between two alumni that was actually on topic. Oh well, at least one of them thought it was funny.
     
  17. NMPOPS

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    Ugaarguy,

    "Spyderco doesn't make a model called the "Standard". Based on the context I assume you're referring to a Delica or Endura. Those are made in Japan for Spyderco. Again, I've had nothing but exceptional experience with Japanese made Spydercos."

    I have a Spyderco Standard I bought new in 1984. I see it's listed as the C04 Economy now but back then it was listed as the "Standard". Great knife by the way, my grandson now carries it.
     
  18. ugaarguy

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    NM Pops, I saw the link Sam C posted. Please forgive me for not knowing every obscure Spyderco model dating back 30 years. The Economy / Standard was also dropped from the lineup 20 years ago, and replaced by the stainless steel handle Delica II two years later in 1996.

    Further, the Economy/Standard/Delica are all made in Japan. As I noted above the Japanese made Spydercos are excellent. The US and Taiwanese made knives are where the trouble is.
     
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    I've never owned a Spyderco knife, so I can't add much beyond saying I'm brutal on pocket clips. I don't believe I've ever carried one that I didn't bend or warp from clumsiness or getting it caught on something.

    On all my (non-Harbor Freight-quality) knives, the only complaint I had was the screw on my Kershaw Blur was an odd size. They have all stayed secure except my old Benchmade where the clip mounted to the pivot screw and I deliberately loosened it to make it open easier.

    Your problem sounds unexpected, at best. I'm interested to see how it is resolved. I decided to include Spyderco in the knives I sell based on typically great reviews and customer service stories. If this is a manufacturing issue, I may need to reconsider which models I carry.
     
  20. ugaarguy

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    Outlaw Man, Spyderco's Japanese made products remain excellent. We'll see how they address the issues on the US and Taiwanese made products. If nothing else, Blade is now less than four months away.
     
  21. ugaarguy

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    At this point I'm going to try not to post again until I get a phone call or email from Eric at Spyderco. My frustration with these problems and the response from Spyderco's front line customer service has shown through too much here. My apologies.
     
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    uaraaguy, sorry to hear about your problems. I joined this forum just to post on this thread. I'm a happy Spyderco guy and am using the same user ID here as on the Spyderco forum. You said you didn't want to air dirty laundry there but someone else posted a link to this thread. :) that's how I found it.

    I'm not going to say anything about Spyderco, good or bad. That would be pointless I think. I had a similar issue though with another knife company. I bought 6 or 7 knives from them and had serious lock problems with 4 or 5 of them. I had to send two of them back for the exact same problem. The spring in the locks failed. I couldn't understand why I had so much trouble with so many of the knives from one company. I didn't have any problems with any other knives that were rememberable. I sent a long letter to the management of that company and never heard word one in response. I thought that was worse than the mechanical problems I had. The weird thing is I HAD to be having more problems than are (or were) normal because if every customer had the same problems I had in the same numbers word of mouth would have destroyed the company within a matter of months. I did get to know the guy in the repair dept. though. He's a great guy and finally sent me some springs so I could fix my own knives. :) I did that once and didn't have any more problems. Once they had been working for a while I sold them. I also vowed not to buy any more knives from that company. I think there must have been something about the alignment of the moon and stars that caused me so many problems. Did you check the moon and stars when you had your Spyderco's delivered? :) I want to mention the company in my story but won't. It was 3-4 years ago and I still think I had isolated incidences. If my story were the norm they wouldn't still be in business.

    I think you will be happy with Spyderco but it's still a pain in the "pick your area". :) Take care.

    Jack
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    What is this forum all about? I only accessed this thread, registered and posted this reply. For all I know I'm on a porn forum.:uhoh::) Better check it out. :)
     
  23. ugaarguy

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    Welcome to THR Jackknifeh. Apparently it's only celestial alignment problems with me and the US and Taiwanese made Spydercos. ;) The Japanese made examples I own have been superb.

    I guess I just need to drop the $10 or so and get a 100 pack of 2-56 button head screws from one of the knife making supply houses. I could always order them on the long side and then grind to length when have to replace the clip screws on the next US made Spyderco I buy. It still grinds my gears that the problem is something so simple (yet still debilitating) on a pair of knives with "street" prices over $100, and MSRPs of $200 (+ $10 on the N5, - $10 on the PM2) that are otherwise superb and worth the price tags.
     
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    TheHighRoad is an online community dedicated to the legalization of marijuana across the U.S.

    Either that or a 2A/firearm discussion forum with a small bit of other stuff thrown in. Yeah, it's the latter. No pot ;)
     
  25. ugaarguy

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    Another Update

    I looked at the pics of the liners again, and noticed that the Chaparral does not have the bead blast or otherwise matte finished liners, but that the flats of the liners were simply left as machined. Only the very thin outer edges are polished. The pictures of the liners on the Cat have disappeared into never never land if I even took them. For those concerned, here are the best pics of the Chap liner and scale. There was so much rust in spots that you can see the rust that was still stuck to the CF scale. This is the right hand side of the knife, or the side that would come into contact with the palm of a right handed user.

    Chap Rust Liner.jpg Chap Rust Scale.jpg
     
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