SS number and hunting licenses

[jke456]

SS number and hunting liscenes

Well, today I made my annual trip to Wally world to pick up my Ginseng liscenes as this Sunday is the first legal day to dig it in Illinois.

The kid behind the counter is filling out my liscenes and he looks up and ask me for my SS number.

I said "huh"

he said " I have to put your SS number down here"

he hands me the form and sure as **** there is a place for my SS number along with questions such as " do I owe child support.....am I behind in child support ....etc

I at first refuse to give it to him....

he tells me " no ss number no liscenes"

so I give it to him (one number off of course)

I threw my liscenes from last year away but cant recall if they asked for it then or not

Now my question is...

Is it legal for the state to require your ss number to purchase the liscenes and is it a requirement for all liscenes in Illinois such as fishing and hunting liscenes?

I havn't had to buy a hunting liscenes for a few years as I am a landowner and am required to just buy the habitat stamp to hunt upon my own property.....


seems to me that this is a good way for some dishonest salesman at some liscensing location to steal an idenity or two.

I do understand that by buying a Ginseng liscenes I will have a chance to make some unreported income but that does not appear to be the reason that they want my ss number.

It appears on face value this is one of those feel good laws to try and get deadbeat dads.

seems like a bunch of bs to me amd a potentially good way to have your credit rating really screwed by somebody taking this info and buying theirselves lots of nice toys on my buck.

Isn't it suppose to be illigal to use your ss number as an identifyer by anybody except the SS administration??

 

[Matt1911]

Here in Indiana,i did have to give it last year. I threw a MAJOR fit about it,stormed out and called DNR.
Short answer,no ss,no huntin'! I'd be carefull being"one number off",as DNR warned me about that (and i had not even thought of it!).

 

[jke456]

"""Short answer,no ss,no huntin'! I'd be carefull being"one number off",as DNR warned me about that (and i had not even thought of it!).""""


Hey is it my fault I told the kid 7 and he wrote down a 1.

and maybe his 7's look like 1's

 

[4570Rick]

http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/cgi-bin...TEmcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD1TUyAjIHByaXZhY3k*&p_li=

Question
Must I provide a Social Security number (SSN) to any business or government agency that asks?

Answer
The Social Security number (SSN) was originally devised to keep an accurate record of each individual’s earnings, and to subsequently monitor benefits paid under the Social Security program. However, use of the SSN as a general identifier has grown to the point where it is the most commonly used and convenient identifier for all types of record-keeping systems in the United States.

Specific laws require a person to provide his/her SSN for certain purposes. While we cannot give you a comprehensive list of all situations where an SSN might be required or requested, an SSN is required/requested by:

· Internal Revenue Service for tax returns and federal loans
· Employers for wage and tax reporting purposes
· States for the school lunch program
· Banks for monetary transactions
· Veterans Administration as a hospital admission number
· Department of Labor for workers’ compensation
· Department of Education for Student Loans
· States to administer any tax, general public assistance, motor vehicle or drivers license law within its jurisdiction
· States for child support enforcement
· States for commercial driver’s licenses
· States for Food Stamps
· States for Medicaid
· States for Unemployment Compensation
· States for Temporary Assistance to Needy Families
· U.S. Treasury for U.S. Savings Bonds


The Privacy Act regulates the use of SSNs by government agencies. When a Federal, State, or local government agency asks an individual to disclose his or her Social Security number, the Privacy Act requires the agency to inform the person of the following: the statutory or other authority for requesting the information; whether disclosure is mandatory or voluntary; what uses will be made of the information; and the consequences, if any, of failure to provide the information.

If a business or other enterprise asks you for your SSN, you can refuse to give it. However, that may mean doing without the purchase or service for which your number was requested. For example, utility companies and other services ask for a Social Security number, but do not need it; they can do a credit check or identify the person in their records by alternative means. Giving your number is voluntary, even when you are asked for the number directly. If requested, you should ask why your number is needed, how your number will be used, what law requires you to give your number and what the consequences are if you refuse. The answers to these questions can help you decide if you want to give your Social Security number. The decision is yours.

For more detailed information, we recommend the publication at http://www.socialsecurity.gov/pubs/10002.html

 

[jke456]

"States for child support enforcement"




guess this is the excuse they use for me to provide my ssnumber to some pimple faced clerk

what a crock

wonder if I would have a leg to stand on in a lawsuit iffn this was how my idenity gets stolen?

 

[Smoke]

Well, today I made my annual trip to Wally world to pick up my Ginseng liscenes as this Sunday is the first legal day to dig it in Illinois.

When I first read this I thought you were kiddin'. I never heard of such a thing. A License to dig up roots....what's next?


Smoke

 

[jke456]

"When I first read this I thought you were kiddin'. I never heard of such a thing. A License to dig up roots....what's next?"



Yep ya gotta have a license to dig root




Considering its worth upwards of 200dollars + the seven fifty for license isn't to bad

it is a federally protected species is the reason for the license I suppose

I do know if you get caught without a license with ginseng root you are totally screwed

about like shooting a Bald Eagle

It is on the endargered species list also



jon

 

[Blue Line]

what about the person who happens to have the ssn you just gave the clerk? what if they get tangled up in some mess either ID theft or some other knot? The bad guys always try and give a bad SSN so they don't get snagged somewhere for something. You should be careful cause the one you gave could have the exact oppisite effect you wanted if Wanted person had that number you gave and now you've used it and it sets off some bell somewhere and you get a visit from the Sheriff looking for a felon and not you. That was a little long winded, but see how it could also have different effect than you were expecting.

 

[0007]

I'm dyslexic. Occasionally, I transpose long number streams when writing them down. Especially on forms that will be handled by all sorts of people I don't know...

 

[stevelyn]

Some states don't require it. Alaska passed legislation the keeps SSNs off of drivers licenses and they are not present on hunting/fishing licenses.

On the face it looks like on of those feel good laws to try and get deadbeat dads.

That's exactly what it is and as a result it created another unaccountable government buracracy. It also created the database of employed persons which Bill Clinton said would be used to track down those owing child support (another lowlife agency I refuse to assist in any fashion).
Everyone in the US with a job of any kind is in this database. However, multiple agencies/entities have access to the database including agencies in Canada, for reasons other than child support. I'm not certain if Mexico has access or not. These agencies can also do a name search through the database, but in most cases get multiple hits. The SSNs are the definitive method of positive identification.
I recently recieved a request from a detective from another state looking for a person who was last known to be working in this area. How he got the information on this individual was through his access to the database.
The price for so called welfare reform was puchased with your privacy. Welcome to 1984.

 

[Highland Ranger]

Look, you're a gun owner and you like killing animals . . . . . must mean you're a maniac and therfore you certainly must have impregnated and abandoned some poor woman somewhere.

So pay up!

Too bad they don't do the same check when you register to vote as a Democrat.

Sarcasm aside, NJ passed that law as well but we just give it to the state when we apply, not the local guy.

 

[rick_reno]

Idaho, thought by many here to be an island of freedom, requires SSN's for a hunting license. Alaska is looking better and better...

 

[auschip]

I bought my lifetime hunting license in TX, so when I go to pick up the new tags, I give them that and my DL. They hand me back the paper tags after I tell them how many doves, ducks, geese, coots, and snipe I killed last year.

This year I told them I caught one snipe but he ate all the peanutbutter then convinced me to let him out of the burlap sack. They didn't think it was as funny as the rest of the line did.

Look into buying the lifetime licenses, it allows me to take the SSN out of the equation when dealing with the local store.

 

[stevelyn]

Alaska is looking better and better......

We're not perfect yet. There are some things we need to get rid of, but compared to other states we seem to be in the best shape freedomwise and making more progress.
You have to realize too that in our state BoRs, the "Right to Privacy" (Sec. 22) is enumerated. One of the things I learned at the DPS Academy was in many cases where the US Supreme Court seems to dismantle the 4th Amendment, the AK SC consistently holds the line on the original intent of 4A and in some cases strengthens it. This has to do with the enumerated right to privacy of the individual. Heh the COA even ruled that folks can have up to 4 oz. of weed for personal use. The AG is still whining about it, but I've got better things to do than chase after someone tarnishing their lungs in their own home so I hope the ruling stands.
The RKBA (Sec 19) read verbatim as the 2nd Amendment of the US BoRs. In 1994 it was modified with an additional clause that states: "The individual right to keep and bear arms shall not be denied or infringed by the State or a political subdivision of the State." The statutes dealing with firearms deals strictly with misuse. Of course it's old news now that we have concealed carry with or without a CHL.

 

[Deavis]

Similiar thing happened to me when I was trying to renew my DL in Texas. They said I couldn't renew it via mail or by Internet because they didn't have my social on file. I go in and ask what they need it for and the clerk tells me, "It isn't us, it is the Federal Government that wants it. Terrorist stuff, you know?"

No, I don't know. Apparently Texas, according to the DPS handbook, thinks it is doing us a huge favor by collecting the socials of people in a vain attempt to catch child support evaders who they can already obtain a social, DL, and various forms of ID for. They say it cuts down on the instances of people having multiple IDs from different states. I pointed out that it was already illegal to have two IDs but she just sort of looked at me funny.

I told her, "You know the SS card was never meant to be used for ID purposes."

She said, "Well times change, we have to be sure of who you are."

I'm sitting there thinking, you didn't ask for my social when I renewed my CHL license! Yes, times are changing...