Stories of Survival from Charlotte, NC

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Sun, Jul. 29, 2007

WHAT IF YOUR LIFE WERE IN DANGER? HOW WOULD YOU REACT? THESE PEOPLE SAVED THEMSELVES AND COPED WITH THE RESULT

Forced to kill: 4 stories of survival
What if your life were in danger? How would you react? These people saved themselves and coped with the result
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Every year in the United States, about 200 people kill someone in self-defense. It's legal. It's often necessary. But it can emotionally scar the people who do the killing.
From 2001 through 2006, Charlotte-Mecklenburg police investigated 25 homicides later ruled justified.

Generally, police warn the public not to fight robbers because, they say, criminals are more likely to hurt or kill anyone who challenges them. But sometimes people feel they have no choice.

At least four times this month, would-be crime victims in Charlotte fought back against people trying to rob them. Two suspects were killed, two injured.

The latest occurred Monday, police said, when a clerk killed a man trying to rob her northeast Charlotte store. Prosecutors haven't decided whether to charge her. But "she is emotionally devastated by the decision that she was forced to make," her lawyer said in a statement.

Four Charlotteans say they understand how she feels. All fatally shot someone while trying to protect themselves. None was charged. But all four say the killings altered their lives.

ROY PARKER
• May 19, 2000: Roy Parker, asleep upstairs at home, heard the doorbell ring, then loud banging. Clutching a revolver, he ran to the sunroom. "Stop!" Parker yelled. Outside, a man threw an iron patio chair against the window, shattering it. Parker fired two shots, safety bullets that are designed to disintegrate on impact. The man swung the chair again. The remaining bullets were real. Parker aimed a third time and fired.
Parker said he never second-guessed his actions.

He said officers who responded to the shooting of Mitchell Regis, 24, told him they would have done the same thing. Parker said he never wrestled with guilt.

Before the shooting, he believed deeply in the principle of self-defense, and he and his wife had taken a course on carrying a concealed weapon. He'd owned his .357 Magnum for 20 years, though he'd never shot at anyone. What happened didn't change his views.
"You don't retreat at 1:30 at night when somebody is breaking into your house," he said last week in his south Charlotte home. "He left me no choice. It was his choice, not mine."

But after the initial shock wore off, he found his mind replaying the event, the loop endless. "I cried for several days," he said. The former marketing executive, now 58, was in training for a new job. But he couldn't concentrate and didn't start work for more than a month.

Police referred him to a therapist who works with officers who have killed in the line of duty. Parker showed symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder.

He took anti-anxiety medication and saw the therapist until, after three years, he could function normally again.

"I killed a person, and I don't like to shoot animals," Parker said. "When somebody attacks you and you defend yourself, you still think, `This is a person who doesn't even know me, and he wants inside my house, and he's not going to stop.'

"I was trying to make sense of the whole thing."

JULIE WILLIAMS
• Jan. 1, 2000: Someone had broken into Julie Williams' bail bonding business but the stillness inside made her think she was alone. She flicked on the lights and stepped through the mangled front door. Suddenly, a man lunged at her with a crowbar. She raised her gun and fired.

Today, two deadbolts secure every outside door of Julie Williams' home. A security system monitors the inside. Video cameras and a Rottweiler guard the yard.

The retired Charlotte cop installed the security after the shooting because she was afraid.

Now Williams says she keeps her house locked down because she doesn't want to have to kill again.

"I just never, ever want to be back in that position," she said.

Williams, 55, fatally shot Judus Lewis Caudle, 38, on New Year's morning 2000. She'd stopped at Absolute Bail Bonding and interrupted the burglary.

"There is no doubt in my mind, had I not defended myself, he would have killed me," she said. "But even though you take a life in defense of your own, it's something you have to live with. I live with it daily."

Williams never returned to the Kings Drive building where the shooting occurred. She now runs an embroidery and screen printing business.

After the shooting, she became depressed. Then angry. At first, she said, she couldn't talk about the shooting. But now, she thinks it helps.

"I don't think there are very many days that go by that I don't think about him," she said. "When I wake up, I think about it. When I'm on my (motorcycle), I think about it."

Williams had been a police officer for 20 years before she retired in 1996 as a sergeant. She never fired her weapon on the job.

She has a permit and totes a loaded handgun in her purse or pocket.

After dark, she lays it on the seat of her car. She carries it in her hand as she walks into her house.

She still remembers Caudle coming at her. "He looked like he was 10 feet tall."
She remembers him struggling to breathe after he fell to the ground.

And she remembers stepping over his body to call for help.

But Williams has forgotten his face.
"God blocked that image out to help me deal with it," she said. "I think that was God's grace."

RUTH ROBINSON
• June 10, 2000: Inside the Busy Mini-Mart, Ruth Robinson watched as her husband struggled with an armed teenager. She ran to the counter and grabbed a gun. Crouched behind the counter, she fired blindly.
Ruth Robinson was 66 when she killed Marquis Sanchez Vinson, 17. It was only the second time she'd ever fired a gun, she said.
"I don't know how to shoot a gun," she said. "He was trying to kill my husband. When I shot, I didn't mean to shoot him. I was just trying to scare him."

She returned to work at the northwest Charlotte store the next day.
She and her husband, James, started closing at midnight instead of 2:30 a.m. And they hired a man, kind of like a security guard, to hang out in the store.

Before the shooting, she and her husband had talked about defending themselves in a robbery.

"I wasn't mad. I wasn't sad," she said. "I was disappointed that somebody would come and try to rob you when you work so hard."
Robinson, now 73 and a widow, still runs the register at a relative's store one day a week. She said she thinks about the shooting, most often when she hears about robberies on TV.
"These young kids, they need to go to school and get an education so they can get a decent job. They don't have to rob people," she said.

She didn't know the teenager and can't remember his name now. His brother came to see her a few weeks after the shooting, she said, and let her know his family didn't blame her.

Still, she said, she won't ever forget it.
In yet another encounter with a convenience store robber, Robinson herself was nearly killed last year.

Two teenagers walked into her sister's store on Beatties Ford Road and ordered her to give up the money. As one came around the counter, she said, he saw her going for a gun and shot her in the mouth.

She shot back but missed. She believes she would have hit him if not for her arthritis.
Robinson spent three months in a hospital. Now she has to eat pureed food. Still, she'll probably reach for a gun next time.
"If you work that hard for your money," she said, "you shouldn't let someone come in and rob what you got."

ELIJAH HACKETT III
• Feb. 12, 2006: As he sat upstairs, he heard a thud and two bangs. Elijah Hackett III said he grabbed his shotgun. A second later, he heard someone charging up the stairs. Just as he fired, he recognized the man.

Elijah Hackett III killed his mother's ex-husband.

Hackett said he still doesn't know how Joe Scott Odell, 42, got in that night or why he came rushing up the stairs.

Because of break-ins, Hackett, 30, was staying at the west Charlotte plumbing business he runs with his mother.
Odell used to work at the plumbing business, but he'd been on the outs with Hackett's mother. Hackett and Odell didn't get along.
"Why did he run up the stairs? My truck was parked outside. He should have recognized it," Hackett said. Hackett said he still doesn't know whether his former stepfather had a weapon. Prosecutors cleared him in the case.
Sometimes he and his mother, Jackie, try to figure out why Odell showed up there or what he planned to do. They both referred to his death as "a relief" in some ways. They said there had been tension and threats -- and his mother feared violence loomed.

"I wish I had done it, not him," Jackie Hackett, 54, said. "I wish it were my burden instead of his."

Elijah Hackett said he had no choice, but feels for Odell's family.

"This is nothing I'm proud of. It's not something anybody should have to do. I hate that had to be a part of my life."
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Everytime I strap on my Kimber I thank God for the right to carry, but, with the same breath, pray that I'll never have to use it.
 
Generally, police warn the public not to fight robbers because, they say, criminals are more likely to hurt or kill anyone who challenges them.

What they say and what statistics show are completely opposite.
 
What they say and what statistics show are completely opposite.


Actually the numbers do show that if you fight back you are more likely to be hurt or killed but, what they don't tell you is that the super majority of those numbers, the ones the gun grabbers like to use are based on an unarmed person fighting back in a given situation.

Ciminals prey on single persons in away places, the supposed weak, females, the old and those they perceive as weak such as a small stature male aka a skinny guy. Criminals never seem to pick out the body builder types who look like they could bench press a truck or a large groups of clean cut men, all with high-n-tight hair cuts walking 3 blocks from the main gate of Ft. Bragg.
 
from the story
From 2001 through 2006, Charlotte-Mecklenburg police investigated 25 homicides later ruled justified.

I have to admit, I'm surprised this number is so low, given the amount of crime in the area.

I wonder how many SD 'homicides' weren't ruled justified?

I wonder how many SD justified shootings not resulting to the death of the perp were on record, I bet that number is a lot higher, coz I can probably recall 25 in the area this past year alone, seems like it anyway.

That's the problem, these criminals are acting irrationally more and more. I used to believe that bs about someone just wanting money or whatever would leave you alone if you didn't pose a threat, not necessarily talking home invasion or anything, but say a street robbery or something, but you hear too many stories about people getting hurt or killed anyway, so there's no incentive to comply, because the second you give them the power, you're past the point of no return, and they can do anything they want at that point.

I hope I never have to deal with that, I really do. But when I think of someone trying to hurt my family, or taking me away from my kid, they best choose not to come this way...

Karz
 
I'll tell you though... the majority of robberies from person are drug-related, as in a gangbanger robbing a gangbanger.

Most business robberies are drug-related as in the druggie is robbing an innocent victim.

I'm glad these people fought back. I remember seeing a woman who got shot at an ATM in the gunstore after she got out of the hospital. If we start fighting back the scum will keep the violence among the scum population and leave the rest of the world alone.
 
I'll tell you though... the majority of robberies from person are drug-related, as in a gangbanger robbing a gangbanger.

Pretty much, especially in Charlotte. The city has quite a big gang problem now with them shooting at each other and is bad for modern day slavery.
 
SHHHHH!!!!! We don't have a gang problem in Charlotte!

That seems to be the overall consensus of the city council. :rolleyes:

South Charlotte will be in tatters in 10 years if BIG intervention is not taken. Archdale / South Bv / Nations Ford area is increasingly violent.

IMO drug related and gang related violence and crime should not be reportable.
 
Actually the numbers do show that if you fight back you are more likely to be hurt or killed but, what they don't tell you is that the super majority of those numbers, the ones the gun grabbers like to use are based on an unarmed person fighting back in a given situation.

Yes. The more you resist with, the lower chance you have of getting hurt.
 
Lots of people spend lots of time and energy practicing and rehearsing for what they would do if attacked. Few people think much beyond that and then usually only to wonder and worry about the legal ramifications.
The legal fallout from shooting someone can be significant. For some the emotional legacy can be even more devastating. Those who have actually thought about the aftermath, who have visualized a body, dead due to their actions can help forestall the nightmares and second guessing to a small extent. If you have never seen a body, especially one that has died a violent death, the first time can be an extremely disturbing. Many people understand intellectually what happens, you can prepare for that. Preparing for the emotional tidal wave that comes after surviving such an act is harder.
Forethought and post incident professional help can help turn a devastating nightmare into more of a bad memory.
 
karz10 wrote:

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From 2001 through 2006, Charlotte-Mecklenburg police investigated 25 homicides later ruled justified.


I have to admit, I'm surprised this number is so low, given the amount of crime in the area.

Remember that a "defensive gun use" implies everything from where a victim thwarts a criminal merely by drawing the gun with no shots fired, to uses where the perp is killed. IIRC the ratio is about 1000:1, that is, only one defensive gun use in 1000 results in a dead perp. Most don't involve firing the gun at all.

So, 25 justifiable homicides implies 25,000 defensive gun uses during that time period.
 
Most of the bad stuff in Charlotte seems to happen between 10PM and 3AM but I still carry everyday.

The legal system seems overwhelmed. It's amazing the amount of repeat offenders. They know nothing is going to happen to them if they get caught.
 
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Since we're talking about Charlotte, do you guys follow this Clt site at all?

Here's an article about 174 robberies in the first 23 days of July, majority being armed robberies of course, the first article was 58 robberies in 5 days, then they kept the tally going into the month for awhile, so we've been averaging almost 8 robberies a day:

http://crimeincharlotte.blogspot.com/2007/07/july-month-of-robberies-in-charlotte.html

Check out the map, not as isolated as some think, as far as geographic area, pretty much anywhere inside 485. Of course a lot of these are robbing businesses in the 'nicer' areas, but hey I could be in that store, right? And granted some in the 'bad' areas are crime against criminals, but still there is a lot of randomness to this stuff. Like Saiga said above, it's enough to make me want to carry, especially if I plan on stopping for gas station or in a convenience store for something, or a drive thru or fast food, or anything like that... Did you hear about that hockey mask robber pointing guns to the heads of customers while robbing the store and customers? He's been hitting stores all over S. Charlotte, Pineville, and even Fort Mill/Carowinds, he's robbed several stores and restaurants I frequent.

Keep in mind, that's just robberies, not car thefts, property crimes, or other crimes. I don't think that even counts home invasions, but I'm not sure about that.

And the whole thing about doing what the criminal wants, and you won't get hurt, there's story after story in this area to the contrary. I wish I had a link to a recent story, I know I read 2 just over the weekend on one of the sites, where the teenage thugs got what they wanted and shot the victims anyway. Seems like I read a couple of those a week in this area alone.

You can follow the crime blotter and articles at the main pagehttp://www.crimeincharlotte.com it's a nice addition to other media sites...

Another interesting site is http://taraservatius.com a local writer for Creative Loafing and now has a radios spot at night on AM 1110. Like this article about crime stats comparisons between Charlotte, and other major metros, *some* stats are better in places like LA and Philly than here: http://taraservatius.com/2007/07/24/charlotte-more-dangerous-than-la.aspx She has a lot of interesting articles on the schools and immigration issues, as well as crime and other general stuff...


Keep it safe out there...

Karz
 
Most of the bad stuff in Charlotte seems to happen between 10PM and 3AM but I still carry everyday.

Mmmm... not so much. In fact plenty of robberies happen during daytime, though the majority are after dark.

We don't have that many home invasions here.

Hispanics are targeted by blacks quite a lot of the time. That or drug deals go bad and it is black on black. Also pizza delivery drivers get robbed a lot.

Businesses seem rather random... they certainly don't rob anyone down in Ballantyne, but that is a geographical issue, not a economic issue. The bad areas of town are nowhere near that area. It's the only area that truly doesn't have a ghetto nearby.
 
so we've been averaging almost 8 robberies a day...

Yeah but how many of those 8 are drug-related or gang-related both "victim" and suspect? If I had to guess I'd say MOST of them.

Also, how many were armed robberies? It's robbery if you punch the clerk on the way out.
 
The legal system seems overwhelmed. It's amazing the amount of repeat offenders. They know nothing is going to happen to them if they get caught.

It's disgusting... They plea everything down and if they actually get more than "time served" it's time for a CELEBRATION.
 
Criminals never seem to pick out the body builder types who look like they could bench press a truck or a large groups of clean cut men, all with high-n-tight hair cuts walking 3 blocks from the main gate of Ft. Bragg
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Ya know, that just might be the quote of the day. :D
 
Yeah but how many of those 8 are drug-related or gang-related both "victim" and suspect? If I had to guess I'd say MOST of them.

Also, how many were armed robberies? It's robbery if you punch the clerk on the way out.

Hmmm, did you look at the map on the crimeincharlotte link?

Most of them were armed robberies, and most of them were w/ a gun. Read the police blotters on that site sometime, you'd be surprised. Of course there are intra drug/gang related crime. But there are MANY, MANY armed robberies of individuals, and car jackings, and store robberies involving customers, where multiple robbers, many times 2-4 suspects armed with guns, are robbing completely innocent victims in decent ends of town...

The worst ones are often the teenagers, who end up roughing up and/or shooting their vics for no reason after they already got what they wanted, I've read several of those in the area the last few months...

So they ended the talley at 215 robberies for the month of July...

And that tara servatius link, did you look at the stats compared to philly, LA and others? Philly has us on the murder count, but we're giving some large metros a run for their money on other violent crimes, and other property crimes, as well...

It's not all crime on criminals, not even *most* of them, IMO

Karz
 
I don't have to look at the police blotter... I spend about 40 hours a week dealing with that exact thing, I'm the one you never want to have to talk to on the phone. :D

Very few robberies end up in shootings, most robberies FROM PERSON seem drug-related and a lot of the robberies that end up in shootings/stabbings are drug related.

And what do you mean when you say "good side of town"? What "good side"? If you are near southpark you are near griertown... if you are near Rama Rd you are near Castlewood / Ashley Place... for most "good sides" there is a ghetto within quick driving distance for the homies to go hide at. :eek:
 
lol, well I said decent, not good, as in not as bad as others, theoretically

I think in one of my other posts, I was actually pointing out how you can't avoid the bad parts of town, like that map I linked to, anywhere inside of 485 is a crapshoot

well, I'm sure a lot of robberies involve 'victims' that aren't squeaky clean, but I see enough of them involving everyday civilians to warrant concern, again, especially in the stores, at least a couple gas stations off Carowinds I frequent have had armed robberies recently, those lotto stores nearby, and several stores and restaurants in Pineville, not to mention other parts of town, so all I'm saying is that I've seen a lot of reported robberies in and around places I frequent, not to mention car jackings at businesses and streets I frequent, and I am in no way affiliated w/ gangs or drugs, so there you have it...

Karz
 
I know what you mean, it's just scary to find out how much is drug-related (even when the victim is clean, it's mostly about drugs!)

The war on drugs is killing our law enforcement capability, but that's another thread :D

The whole area you described seems to be getting runover by gangs.

The city cleans up one area of town just to let it get worse in another :rolleyes:
 
Prosecutors haven't decided whether to charge her. But "she is emotionally devastated by the decision that she was forced to make," her lawyer said in a statement.

True or not, that is the right answer to give.
 
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Prosecutors haven't decided whether to charge her. But "she is emotionally devastated by the decision that she was forced to make," her lawyer said in a statement.

True or not, that is the right answer to give.

I think you have to give credence to her statement. It's very easy, sitting here at a keyboard, to declaim on how easy it would be to take out a "BG". But when you stand over the bleeding body, listen to the last breaths, smell the smell of death and blood, I seriously doubt any of us are likely to take that in stride. Fact is, it changes a person for life when they have to take a life. Why would any of us assume we would be the exception?

My father in law was a lieutenant in WWII, doing one of the most honorable things ever done in that war...liberating concentration camps. He was a photographer as well, and some of the photos you see from some of the camps could well be his. Yet when his boys asked him "what did you do in the war, daddy?" (as all boys will do) his answer was "I fought a lot of kids just as dumb as me." He would never say another word about it, to his dying day. And that from a man who had as much right to pride at his role in war as anyone. Why would any of us assume we could take it in stride with no problem?

Just sayin'.

Springmom
 
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