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-Glass is an interesting medium.
I have shot my share of windshields, rear windows, passenger windows, with and without tinting.
I have experiences and have tested shooting through one-way security mirrors.
Specialty glass used for business, and homes, and includes glass bricks.
Older folks might remember 240, 260, 280 Z cars. They might recall the old Mustang MachI, Camero's , Firebirds, and Trans-Ams.
In a work I am familiar with, these vehicles were often used.
The angle of the glass front and back, does funny things when bullets are shot at them.
Of Interest is, criminals figured this out too, so they liked these cars for "business reasons" as well.
-I have spent some time in regard to "offensive driving" and "defensive driving"
Nothing to do with guns, just using a vehicle as a tool.
-Another thing mentored to me, was guns and vehicles.
From shooting inside one, shooting out of one, and shooting into one.
Yeah, I have used a truck just like mine, to get an idea of its strengths and weaknesses.
For business reasons, I had one exactly like mine, except for color and some not noticeable tweaks.
So I and mine wanted to know what that truck would take being shot at, and being shot out of and all sorts of other "curiosities".
Yes, we messed up a bare bones version of a truck less than a year old.
This is just what some folks do. Investigate and Verify for themselves.
We had done this with other vehicles over the years. One reason I and mine are not fond of front wheel drive, is based on a bad experience I had in evading.
I took out the front end of a new rental car one time.
All I did was hit the gas going backwards, whip the wheel and the front wheels hit a small "curb" about 3" tall ( half the height of a normal street curb) and I had zilch for a car that was front wheel drive.
This is when one just keeps going backwards, until the hit a high fence, then jump and run in leather shoes and slide down a cement "ditch" and run in the pouring down rain.
-Now later, as I had to know, I shot from my truck, replicating the incident of me going for smokes.
My truck, not another vehicle, not boxes and a chair rigged up like it, but my truck.
I replicated everything.
I did not have a safe backstop.
I knew that from the very time I had started to pull into park.
This is a glass storefront, with people inside, and where I pulled into, was directly "behind the counter" where employees ring up sales and get smokes off the shelves for customers.
I start shooting back, and I miss, my bullets are going to enter that store where employees are.
Even If the shooter moved toward my drivers side, that put my missed more toward the customer side of that store.
That is another "why" I did not think "gun" after my first thing was "distance" , "evade", "get out of here!"
I have done "set ups" ( some call these stages) like this. I start shooting with the backstop I have and the chances of me hitting someone inside is pretty high.
I have "less" chance of hurting someone inside if I run over him.
Inside folks have no idea with gunshots which way a bullet is going,until it is too late.
Now if I had hit forward, my tires smoking, engine revved and and had hit that guy gone over the parking stop, gotten onto the sidewalk and was "incoming" hopefully the dingbats inside the store would get out of the way , because I have SIGNALED my intent.
Three Points. I was mentored , starting as wee brat Three Points of view.
1. My view
2. Evil's view.
3. Third party over yonder.
I know what I see, I am supposed to try to see what Evil sees, and what the Third party over yonder is seeing.
This is not about watching six, or scanning for threats.
This is about what El Tejon calls Problem 2, and "what a prudent person would do in this situation".
-Back to replication, using my truck, with the CCW and loads, exactly as that situation was.
Behind the steering wheel means I shoot weak handed (left handed).
My first shot, went to the "gun" . Now I was trying to focus on COM, but my brain said "gun" and that is where my first bullet went.
Now here is the real deal about that first shot, I did not hit the "gun" itself, I hit just above and "grazed" the forearm.
My bullet therefore would have entered that storefront!
My second shot was hit the shooters Nose, I mean smack dab on the nose just above the upper lip, dead center.
Third shot hit the Adams's Apple.
Sitting behind my steering wheel, leaned toward drivers door, hand out the window my gun hand not extended, just out and canted and shooting at the distance of where I am seated and the front of the hood of my truck.
My first shot, would have gone inside. Do you know which of the employees was standing where that bullet would have entered?
Pregnant lady. To the best of her knowledge and the way she shared her story , she was about where my bullet would have entered that store.
Folks, I don't care how macho I am supposed to be , being a male, that hit me like a ton of bricks when I viewed my shots.
I shot the first shot, got pissed and yelled when I shot the second and third shot.
I mean I gritted my teeth, got mean and ugly and cussed while I tripped trigger the next two shots.
I get out, stick my gun in my back pocket and go look at my shots.
I felt awful.
Now I have been in the courtroom , as a juror, as a witness, as expert witness and assisted in crime scenes and the like.
I understand to the level I can being a regular citizen, one that has never been in the Military or LEO all this.
There is a "drop it, its done, deal with it", there is a "accept it and move on" and don't play head games of "I shoulda, coulda, woulda", the last one will eat one up inside.
I have seen it happen, seen it lead to a person sticking a gun barrel in their mouth and pulling the trigger, seen folks quit jobs, get divorce, die drunk, wrap cars around trees and the like.
Three Points.
I saw a shooter with a gun, I saw him pointing a gun at me and pull the trigger and I saw a "third party over yonder" as I chose to back up the truck and evade that day.
WE (me, cops, others) do not know if the shooter would have run inside to take refuge, if I had not pulled up and focused on me.
Best guess, he did not want me as a witness, for whatever reason, and that is why he focused on me.
Theories run, I surprised him and his buddies.
Maybe that fight was a distraction to arm rob the store.
It is history, it does not matter. Just a learning experience.
Nobody got shot, everyone went home with all their body parts and later that baby boy was born.
I will still defend to the day I die, I did the right thing, and will continue to defend my option of going to running him over was better that going to my CCW.
For that exact point of time and what was going down.
I will not be at your gunfight - Awerbuck
Awerbuck was not there, nor was anyone else.
Go set up a cardboard truck, set a target with gun in right hand , at the hood and you shoot left handed out the window.
Your backstop is glass and there is a pregnant lady and other employees on the other side of that glass.
I hope your first shot is a lot better than mine was.
-Glass is an interesting medium.
I have shot my share of windshields, rear windows, passenger windows, with and without tinting.
I have experiences and have tested shooting through one-way security mirrors.
Specialty glass used for business, and homes, and includes glass bricks.
Older folks might remember 240, 260, 280 Z cars. They might recall the old Mustang MachI, Camero's , Firebirds, and Trans-Ams.
In a work I am familiar with, these vehicles were often used.
The angle of the glass front and back, does funny things when bullets are shot at them.
Of Interest is, criminals figured this out too, so they liked these cars for "business reasons" as well.
-I have spent some time in regard to "offensive driving" and "defensive driving"
Nothing to do with guns, just using a vehicle as a tool.
-Another thing mentored to me, was guns and vehicles.
From shooting inside one, shooting out of one, and shooting into one.
Yeah, I have used a truck just like mine, to get an idea of its strengths and weaknesses.
For business reasons, I had one exactly like mine, except for color and some not noticeable tweaks.
So I and mine wanted to know what that truck would take being shot at, and being shot out of and all sorts of other "curiosities".
Yes, we messed up a bare bones version of a truck less than a year old.
This is just what some folks do. Investigate and Verify for themselves.
We had done this with other vehicles over the years. One reason I and mine are not fond of front wheel drive, is based on a bad experience I had in evading.
I took out the front end of a new rental car one time.
All I did was hit the gas going backwards, whip the wheel and the front wheels hit a small "curb" about 3" tall ( half the height of a normal street curb) and I had zilch for a car that was front wheel drive.
This is when one just keeps going backwards, until the hit a high fence, then jump and run in leather shoes and slide down a cement "ditch" and run in the pouring down rain.
-Now later, as I had to know, I shot from my truck, replicating the incident of me going for smokes.
My truck, not another vehicle, not boxes and a chair rigged up like it, but my truck.
I replicated everything.
I did not have a safe backstop.
I knew that from the very time I had started to pull into park.
This is a glass storefront, with people inside, and where I pulled into, was directly "behind the counter" where employees ring up sales and get smokes off the shelves for customers.
I start shooting back, and I miss, my bullets are going to enter that store where employees are.
Even If the shooter moved toward my drivers side, that put my missed more toward the customer side of that store.
That is another "why" I did not think "gun" after my first thing was "distance" , "evade", "get out of here!"
I have done "set ups" ( some call these stages) like this. I start shooting with the backstop I have and the chances of me hitting someone inside is pretty high.
I have "less" chance of hurting someone inside if I run over him.
Inside folks have no idea with gunshots which way a bullet is going,until it is too late.
Now if I had hit forward, my tires smoking, engine revved and and had hit that guy gone over the parking stop, gotten onto the sidewalk and was "incoming" hopefully the dingbats inside the store would get out of the way , because I have SIGNALED my intent.
Three Points. I was mentored , starting as wee brat Three Points of view.
1. My view
2. Evil's view.
3. Third party over yonder.
I know what I see, I am supposed to try to see what Evil sees, and what the Third party over yonder is seeing.
This is not about watching six, or scanning for threats.
This is about what El Tejon calls Problem 2, and "what a prudent person would do in this situation".
-Back to replication, using my truck, with the CCW and loads, exactly as that situation was.
Behind the steering wheel means I shoot weak handed (left handed).
My first shot, went to the "gun" . Now I was trying to focus on COM, but my brain said "gun" and that is where my first bullet went.
Now here is the real deal about that first shot, I did not hit the "gun" itself, I hit just above and "grazed" the forearm.
My bullet therefore would have entered that storefront!
My second shot was hit the shooters Nose, I mean smack dab on the nose just above the upper lip, dead center.
Third shot hit the Adams's Apple.
Sitting behind my steering wheel, leaned toward drivers door, hand out the window my gun hand not extended, just out and canted and shooting at the distance of where I am seated and the front of the hood of my truck.
My first shot, would have gone inside. Do you know which of the employees was standing where that bullet would have entered?
Pregnant lady. To the best of her knowledge and the way she shared her story , she was about where my bullet would have entered that store.
Folks, I don't care how macho I am supposed to be , being a male, that hit me like a ton of bricks when I viewed my shots.
I shot the first shot, got pissed and yelled when I shot the second and third shot.
I mean I gritted my teeth, got mean and ugly and cussed while I tripped trigger the next two shots.
I get out, stick my gun in my back pocket and go look at my shots.
I felt awful.
Now I have been in the courtroom , as a juror, as a witness, as expert witness and assisted in crime scenes and the like.
I understand to the level I can being a regular citizen, one that has never been in the Military or LEO all this.
There is a "drop it, its done, deal with it", there is a "accept it and move on" and don't play head games of "I shoulda, coulda, woulda", the last one will eat one up inside.
I have seen it happen, seen it lead to a person sticking a gun barrel in their mouth and pulling the trigger, seen folks quit jobs, get divorce, die drunk, wrap cars around trees and the like.
Three Points.
I saw a shooter with a gun, I saw him pointing a gun at me and pull the trigger and I saw a "third party over yonder" as I chose to back up the truck and evade that day.
WE (me, cops, others) do not know if the shooter would have run inside to take refuge, if I had not pulled up and focused on me.
Best guess, he did not want me as a witness, for whatever reason, and that is why he focused on me.
Theories run, I surprised him and his buddies.
Maybe that fight was a distraction to arm rob the store.
It is history, it does not matter. Just a learning experience.
Nobody got shot, everyone went home with all their body parts and later that baby boy was born.
I will still defend to the day I die, I did the right thing, and will continue to defend my option of going to running him over was better that going to my CCW.
For that exact point of time and what was going down.
I will not be at your gunfight - Awerbuck
Awerbuck was not there, nor was anyone else.
Go set up a cardboard truck, set a target with gun in right hand , at the hood and you shoot left handed out the window.
Your backstop is glass and there is a pregnant lady and other employees on the other side of that glass.
I hope your first shot is a lot better than mine was.
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