Stuck in the Middle Ages and YOU don't know how USE a SWORD!

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Going back to the 14th Century???

Get all of your shots!:cool: - Get them TWICE!!
Got a nice shortsword I'd want to take along + a couple of musette bags full of grenades!= mostly White Phosphorus :evil: Colored smoke would be helpful too The gentry back then knew about "Greek Fire", but had lost the recipe:rolleyes: I think a Webley .45 revolver would be nice too;)
 
Advantage to the Middle Ages: Warriors were fearless, fought to the death, but had honor and chivalry. People were not as soft as they are now. Now days laws favor criminals, people get arrested for defending their lives. Not so back then.

Advantage to today: In the Middle Ages only the rich people were allowed to become Knights and use weapons in most societies. The poor people were not allowed to be armed. We poor people can arm ourselves today.
 
I'd take an Apache helicopter, several 20,000 gallon fuel bladders scattered strategically, a million rounds of 20mm cannon shells and hundreds of hellfire missiles. Would give a whole new take on flying dragons . . .
 
Um .. point of order?

Seems to me the effect of killing people in the 14th century (who might otherwise have left God knows what lineages) would far, FAR outweigh any effects of doing so with modern weaponry.

Heck, they knew about gunpowder already by then, they just had a few centuries to go before they figured out how to use it in effective small arms. I imagine the local men at arms would see the average THR member with a Glock or M1 or suchlike and think "by God!... a handgonne that doth fire cleanly, and often. I must have one" as opposed to "eek! What devilry is this? Vile magic!"

The less professional peasantry, I dunno. :)

Anyhow.. if any guy you shoot could potentially be your own great-great-etc-etc-granddaddy, or perhaps that of notables important in your timeline, I'd say you have far bigger worries than leaving brass behind.
 
Hey Kaylee.... How 'bout the possibility that anything you do in the past is already figured into the timeline?

Or, is it possible that you not killing a particular individual stands as great a chance of screwing things up too?

F'rinstance, let's say that there's somebody that you start to take a shot at, but decide that it's too much of a risk. Then, later on down the line, the person you let live kills off your great-great-great whatever... The end result is you're still screwed, but this time it's for not acting.

So, is time inviolate, or not? Will it work it's self out, one way or the other, or could a person's actions/inactions alter it?

Quite a conundrum, no?


J.C.
 
What ever happened - happened. If time travelers are involved then they were a part of what happened - ergo you can't change history. :banghead:

OR - if you do then from my limited understanding of quantum mechanics, the heisenberg uncertainty principle, etc that the time line you left from would be untouched and what ever action you take in the past would simply generate an alternate timeline and a whole new universe. :what:

At least that's how I see it... :confused:
 
Er...actually...I DO know how to use a sword.
Paraphrasing Hiro Protaganist, they don't need explaining (to potential aggressors), and they don't run out of ammo.

Geek,
Nice quote!
Snowcrash was an awesome cyberpunk genre book.


Hand-to-hand skills notwithstanding, I'd definitely want something capable of sustainable precise shooting at medium+ range if going up against trained knights/horsemen.
 
I'd have to get amnesia in the trip back. I studied Renaissance swordplay for my role at the MN Renaissance festival. And since I am a gunsmith, I'd probably make fast friends with the local smithy, I'd have me a firearm in a couple days anyway. But I'd love to make my own sword, too. :)
 
Anyhow.. if any guy you shoot could potentially be your own great-great-etc-etc-granddaddy, or perhaps that of notables important in your timeline, I'd say you have far bigger worries than leaving brass behind.

Of course not, that's impossible. If you shot him, you'd never have been born, and thusly never would've been able to go back in time and shoot him. Time paradox. Basically you can't do anything that would've affected your life significantly. That's why I'll show up with a tank, a machine gun, a buttload of ammo, rapidly build an army and take over the land, and say "Listen you primitive, dirty apes! I am the great and almighty warrior king. I demand gold, women, wine, and all other luxuries kings should be afforded! And all of you start taking daily showers and shaving too!"

Heck, I might stay a while.
 
Actually, it's theorized that you and your changes would exist in another time-line independent from the one you departed. That way there's no paradoxes. Even just the disturbed atoms and photons from your arrival would create a very different time-line.

One of the potential ramifications of quantum theory, and all the weird "neither here nor there" stuff particles can do, is that reality, the universe, whatever you want to call it, "splits" every time a decision is made creating an ever expanding "tree" of universes that goes back to the big bang.

For every particle zig-zag outcome, universes are spawned for each possible outcome. The number of new univereses is not infinite, but it has been growing exponentially all the time. Essentially everything down to the smallest random sub-atomic changes that can happen does happen, but the options are narrower and narrower as you go back to the moment of creation where all time-lines merge, just like following branches down to the trunk of a tree.

That's why we don't see the results of "time travelers", the instant you do so, you create a new reality chain parallel to your own. The "past" that you visit is by default not your own by the very fact of your arrival.

Time travelers also better do so in a space ship, because the earth is moving in orbit around the sun, and the sun is moving in orbit around the Galaxy, and the Galaxy is moving in relation to the other galaxies from the expansion of the Universe. Now granted, there's no such thing as a absolute or "privileged" frame of reference in Einstineian space, but if you could time-travel, it's an almost certainty you'd wind up very, very, far from Earth when you "popped out".

Some of the latest thinking I've read is that time travel is "possible" in the sci-fi sense, but you'd need near infinite amounts of energy to force one of the sub-atomic wormholes that comprise the "quantum foam" at the smallest level of existence open into a useable size, then you'd have to drag the mouth of the wormhole around a near relativistic speeds, then figure out a way to survive the trip through the incredible tidal forces that want to turn you and your ship into spaghetti.

Of course the easiest method to "time travel" is to go forward. All you need for that is a spacecraft capable of traveling near the speed of light, and take a round trip ending back at Earth the number of light years you want to be in the future. If you maintain close to light speed for the majority of the trip, you'll arrive years, if not centuries in the future, while only a few weeks or months have passed as measured from the spaceship's frame of reference. Of course, time wise, it's only a one-way trip.

It's still a difficult engineering challenge, but orders of magnitude easier than coming up with entire galaxies worth of energy to force wormholes to do your bidding.
 
Didn't you people see 'Back To The Future'? Mess with the past and your limbs start disappearing!! Geeze - this has already been figured out!!
 
Here's some history on gunpowder:

Gunpowder was discovered somewhere around 800's in China and has been extensively used ever since. The Mongols used firecrackers to confuse European cavalry in the 1200's.

The first recorded use of gunpowder in Europe was by the British at the Battle of Crecy in 1346.

By 1350, the historian Petrarch made the observation that guns had become "... as common and familiar as any other kind of arms." Artillery and trained "handgunners" existed in every army.

Graveyards and battlefields are full of people who underestimated their opponents.
 
Kaylee said:
Anyhow.. if any guy you shoot could potentially be your own great-great-etc-etc-granddaddy
carebear said:
Nertz to that, what'd he ever do for me?
Well, for starters, and most importantly for you.....

...your great-great-etc-etc-grandmother.

:neener:
 
BrennanKG said:
Hand-to-hand skills notwithstanding, I'd definitely want something capable of sustainable precise shooting at medium+ range if going up against trained knights/horsemen.
What have you guys got against bringing along a modern crossbow? It is reloadable; to some degree repairable, and not too far out of context to find new bolts locally. And the newer ones are designed for very quick re-cocking.

And I wouldn't worry about leaving anomalies around; modern archeaologists are very good at explaining away pieces that don't fit. That's about half their job.

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Werewolf said:
OR - if you do then from my limited understanding of quantum mechanics, the heisenberg uncertainty principle, etc that the time line you left from would be untouched and what ever action you take in the past would simply generate an alternate timeline and a whole new universe
Wasn't that the basis of the whole Chrono-Wars timeline series? The physics of time travel was a zen thing?
 
One revolver. I would take one of my sturdy Colt Official Police revolvers loaded with .38 Special +P Buffalo Bores, my six speedloaders in one pocket and a box of 50 dumped in the other.

One semi Auto. My Springfield Armory 1911 A1 GI with all four 7 round magazines.

A rifle. AR 15 of course. Have three 30 round magazines. Load up and watch them orcs, saricens, etc. drop.

But, heck, I'd better brush up on my fencing lessons, better learn saber technique so I could bring a saber. Wouldn't want to find myself out of ammo and be stuck throwing rocks. Gun will only last as many rounds as you have, sword will last as long as you do.
 
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