stupid range rules

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mekender

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ok, so after perusing several threads about various ranges, ive seen some stupid rules... things that would make me not spend money at such an establishment... its their property, so they can do what they want, but still, stupid is as stupid does... here are the ones i can think of off the top of my head

  • five rounds max per mag
  • no picking up brass
  • no guests allowed (private clubs)
  • no FMJ rounds
  • no HP rounds
  • no reloads (liability issue i know, but a release would suffice)
  • no rapid fire / 5 or 10 seconds between shots required
  • trap guns may only be loaded with the number of rounds needed for each pull (one shell for singles etc...)
  • guns must be unloaded when entering (kinda rules out practicing with your carry gun)
  • guns may only be loaded on the firing line (same as above)

in my local outdoor range in the national forest, it is actually illegal to shoot archery or airborne targets (clays)... im not sure a law was needed, im thinking a policy would have been fine...


ok so, what other stupid range rules can we add to this list?
 
guns must be unloaded when entering (kinda rules out practicing with your carry gun)
guns may only be loaded on the firing line (same as above)
Those are not stupid rules.
They don't want loaded guns except for when you are about to shoot because of negligent discharges
The last thing any gun store/range needs is a negligent discharge.

Here's a stupid rule at a couple of ranges in NC:
-Only one gun at the bench.

It's stupid because if I shoot my 308 and want to let it cool down then I have to just sit there. I'd like to shoot my 22s while I'm letting my 308 cool down.
 
mekender - Several of those rules actually make a lot of sense.

Several of them only make sense in the context of gun-idiots who might do something stupid if you didn't set ground rules like "no rapid fire" (although I've never heard 5-10 seconds between shots).

Rules like those are often flexible and enforcement depends on your maturity level and safety. Some are intended to be applied against the "riff-raff" - that guy dumping 30 rifle rounds at the indoor range and hitting nothing, for example...:what: "No Rapid Fire" is silently waived for carefully practicing double-taps, however.

Anyway, the rules I hate are those that are just designed to make money for the rip-off indoor ranges (Big Bore Specialties/Sherwin Shooting Sports, Eastlake, OH comes to mind).

-must pay a yearly membership fee to use your own ammo (restrictive rules still apply on what you can shoot, and "membership" only confers this benefit and slightly lower rates)

OR

-you must buy the ammo you use at the shop (at double the retail price where no one in their right mind buys their ammo if not for the range) :banghead:

-must be 21 to use range (I remember being turned away years ago with my .22lr rifle at age 19 or 20)

-not allowed to take YOUR OWN brass (really silly for those who reload)
 
"Rules are for those who don't understand the underlying principles involved."

230RN said that.
 
i guess i should have specified, some of the above rules would be understandable at the local indoor range and completely stupid at your private gun club.... or vice versa...
 
Rules like those are often flexible and enforcement depends on your maturity level and safety. Some are intended to be applied against the "riff-raff" - that guy dumping 30 rifle rounds at the indoor range and hitting nothing, for example...

An indoor range I used to go to banned rapid fire after too many idiots put holes into the roof and target carriage (what ever you call the motorized target runs).
 
There are so many "stupid" rules because there are so many "stupid" shooters. At the Dallas Pistol Club, they had to start painting some of their range gear like barricades to say "Do not shoot" because people were using them as targets. Never mind all the targets that are present. Why not use barricades for targets, right?

I had a guy come to my range that wanted to use AP ammo on my steel targets so that see could seee what AP ammo would do on armor-rated steel. I asked if he wanted to pay me for my targets and he did not. He expained that he just wanted to see what sort of holes the ammo would make. Moron.

no rapid fire / 5 or 10 seconds between shots required

Never heard of this. "No rapid fire" at every range I have ever been too that has such a rule has meant no more than 1 round per second.

no guests allowed (private clubs)

Never heard of this either. No 'free' guests allowed, yes, but never a totally exclusive "no guests" at all policy.

230RN said that.
If you were running for office, I would vote for you. Genius, pure genius.
 
Although I realize shooting ranges have to work around some MIGHTY stupid people, that's excessive. An indoor range I used to visit, when I had time for fun things like shooting, got by with fewer rules. No rapid-fire(more than 1 round per second), no loaded guns coming in. 'Bout it. And let me tell you, this place got the best gangbangers Birmingham has to offer.

A private club shouldn't have the issue of riff-raff, that's why you have private clubs.
 
Isn't this to reduce ricochets? A problem at some ranges, depending on how it is laid out.

One local range close to me (that I don't use) says the FMJ tears up their backstop material. They insist on a bag and magazine check for FMJ before you can enter most of the time, depending on the RO working that day. They don't get any business from me.
 
One range is 1rd per magazine.

The other is 5 rd per magazine and no FMJ. They magnetically check the rounds.
 
I'm probably not the one to chime in on this. I am fortunate that I have my own isolated land, and have never had to go to a range. Moreover, I have been a business owner. So, I have a certain perspective on that.

Before I say a thing, I'll say this... I am sensitive to the fact that there are limited choices of ranges for some people, and they feel a resentment in basically HAVING to operate within the constraints of the rules of their local ranges.

At the same time, we are a free-enterprise society. Market forces theoretically dictate many things (of course, we know that insurance companies, etc. have more say). In principle, if you don't agree with the rules, seek another establishment-- which may or may not be an easy task.

But here's my comments on the initial rules posted:


five rounds max per mag

Obviously, this is an effort to prevent negligent discharges. It seems to be a round-about way to do it, but OK.


no picking up brass

Am I do assume this means your own brass as well???

I could see a range wishing to suppliment its income with scavaging brass, and attempting to halt the brass "vultures." But I'd have SERIOUS issues with a range that wouldn't let me pick up my OWN brass.

On the supportive side, I've read the accounts on this forum and others about scavengers basically ruining a shooting experience by picking up your brass as you are shooting. I would have SERIOUS issues with someone picking up around me as I am shooting.

As long as a range would not limit my retrieving my OWN brass, I'd be OK with this. Afterall, if a person leaves something in MY building willingly, its MINE-- not YOURS.

The range as a first right of refusal to anything willingly discarded in their business.


no guests allowed (private clubs)

I can completely understand this. Most likely, it wasn't always like this at the ranges. I've found that many things like this are quickly taken advantage of.

The instant I realized I was being taken advantage of, I'd put a stop to it.

However, I WOULD want to encourage new shooters (new business). It doesn't seem like it would be all that difficult to keep an Excel spreadsheet of guest information. If I saw a guest come in more that "X" amount of times based upon his ID, I'd refuse them access without purchasing time or membership.

Seems simple to me.


no FMJ rounds

I can see this. Replacing anything can get expensive.

no HP rounds

Dunno about this one.

no reloads (liability issue i know, but a release would suffice)

I agree on the Waiver.

no rapid fire / 5 or 10 seconds between shots required

Again, probably a measure to attempt to keep equipment from being destroyed. I can see this. Five to Ten seconds seems excessive, however.

trap guns may only be loaded with the number of rounds needed for each pull (one shell for singles etc...)

Measure to attempt to prevent negligent discharges. I can see the rationale on this in shooting trap or skeet.

guns must be unloaded when entering (kinda rules out practicing with your carry gun)

Again, attempting to prevent carelessness or negligent discharges in an uncontrolled environment. I don't necessarily agree with CCW holders with carry firearm.

guns may only be loaded on the firing line (same as above)

Same as above.



-- John
 
The reason there are "stupid rules" is that there are stupid shooters (all of us at THR excepted, of course).
 
One local range close to me (that I don't use) says the FMJ tears up their backstop material. They insist on a bag and magazine check for FMJ before you can enter most of the time, depending on the RO working that day. They don't get any business from me.

Makes me appreciate the range I go to. It's nestled in a canyon, and the backstop is one of the canyon walls. FMJs would have a hard time tearing that up. :D

I also can pick up my own brass. One time (at band camp) some cops were shooting on the pistol line. They didn't seem too interested in their brass. I asked if I could have it. They said 'Sure!'. Even though I don't own a .40cal, I have some brass now. You never know what the wife is going to get you for your birthday! :)

The only knock on my range is the wind, but that's not really something I can blame the ROs for. The canyon runs west to east, and that is the direction of the prevailing winds here. When the sun gets up high enough, My groups move further and further to the right on my target.
 
Anyone who told me I couldn't pick up my own brass would be sued for theft of MY property. if I have to mark the back with red marker on each and every one, I would, because my property is my property, regardless of it's condition. The only way to change that is to pay me fair market value for the expended brass, before I leave.
I am so glad we have a free public outdoor, city maintained range down here.
 
I understand yet dislike the "no loaded guns inside the lobby/shop" policy. Most of the indoor ranges around here are in sketchy parts of town and I feel like a lamb ready for slaughter going from and returning to my car with a range bag full of unloaded guns and an unloaded gun on my hip. Everyone knows that no one is armed in the parking lot. And everyone includes the local goblins.

West Palm Beach has some BS ordinance about only using ammo purchased from the range. The ranges all display pictures of guns blown up by reloads to make their case but are mute on the subject of customer-supplied factory ammo. Somehow the factory ammo the range supplies is safer than the factory ammo a person would buy in a store and bring to the range.

I don't understand the FMJ thing. Everywhere I've been allows it. I can't imagine that there are differing degrees of backstop material...at least for pistol rounds. Most indoor ranges around here don't allow rifle rounds.
 
I guess we are relatively lucky that we are still backwards around here in So. Mississippi. I have access to my outdoor range 365 days a year for $100 a year. Clean up day is a couple of hours last saturday a month and is optional. I can bring two guests at a time. I think all of the rules are reasonable. I do know that some of them are insurance driven. No shooting at dark.

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Our range gets a lot of shooters from the bigger cities, because of rules like some of these. Of course, we have no range nazi's running around, except during matches. Then it is sometimes needed:banghead:
 
I belong to a members-only gun club in SE Texas. It ain't much to brag on, but it gives me a place to shoot when I want. Pay my annual due, get the lock combination, and it's all mine...along with about 700 other folks. I agree with the rules they have - most are common sense. What I do not understand is the level of stupidity that many shooters seem to exercise.

Example: Simple rule: no shotgun shells on the rifle line except slugs, and those are preferred to be used only in hunting season. If you shoot shotgun shells, please police up your own hulls. Went to the range yesterday. All up and down the line, hulls are laying there in the grass. Checked a couple - no slug info on the plastic...all bird shot loads. Club officers are now thinking about banning all shotgun use at the rifle line, so sluggers will be SOL this fall.

example two: Simple rule: No shooting the range markers. Every time I go out there, those 25, 50, 100, and 200 yard markers are more difficult to read since idjits keep using them as targets. And, bored with the large signs (think political campaign size), some morons are now shooting at the wire stakes that hold them in place! Club officers are now thinking of adding a "target stand" surcharge to our dues for people like this.

Example three: simple rule: no placting targets on berm/backstop. You can go out on any given day and with your binoculars, spotting scope, or rifle scope see the soda cans, clay pidgeons, etc. set out there on the dirt bank. Club officers now are suspicious of any of us who use clay pidgeons for .22 plinking targets (recently allowed at the club as acceptable targets for pistol use).

Too bad "stupidity" isn't illegal. Would make it a lot easier for so many of us.

Q
 
Yeah I have a couple of doozies.

No AR-15's, but any other .223 rifles is a-OK. Go figure out why they don't like those evil black rifles...

No shooting 50 BMG on the 300 yard range, but it is fine on the 200 and 100 yard range. Limiting a 1000 yard rifle to the shortest range makes tremendous sense.
 
The other is 5 rd per magazine and no FMJ. They magnetically check the rounds.

Where's the Smilie for ROFLMAO? I spit my coffee through my nose when I read this. What in the heck does a magnet have to do with FMJ rounds?

Heck, I've got about 3,000 rounds of FMJ in everything from .223, 8mm Lebel, .300 RSAUM that will pass the magnet check, because there is no steel content in either the core or the jacket. That's all the magnet checks for.
 
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