Anyone agree with "1 round at a time" range rules?

[mpmarty]

Well,

We have an indoor range and six or seven outdoor pistol bays and 200 yard rifle range and skeet and nationally ranked trap shooters who designed our trap setup. About seven hundred families belong to our club. The only rules we have are no handle firearm when range is safe, never allow a muzzle to break the 180, Pistols and rimfire only in the indoor range and no magnum loads in the 357s and 44s. We have two ROs on duty minimum whenever a range is open, the ROs are not paid but are given keys to the facilities and are allowed to use them anytime they want. Our club comprises over a hundred acres of riverfront providing duck and goose hunting in the fall and salmon, trout and bass fishing in the spring, summer and fall. Dues are $72 a year for the whole family.

 

[ArmedBear]

Their goal is to control fire- they figure that if you have more rounds in the magazine, you will be more apt to spray and prey rather than taking well aimed shots.

Of course.

But if I never get to practice controlled multiple shot fire, that doesn't help me any. Therefore, I won't pay to shoot at a range that won't let me do any real practice.

 

[Bazooka Joe71]

At my range, we only have 4 rules.






Because that's all you need.

Agreed...I wouldn't go anywhere that needed more than 4 rules(outdoor ranges at least)

 

[TrapperReady]

Ever try loading one round in a AR 16 and trying to shoot a decent group.

Ever try shooting a Service Rifle match? You single load for the standing and slow-fire prone stages. I'm pretty mediocre, but I can assure you that there are lots of folks who can shoot excetional groups loading one round at a time.

That being said, while I'm all in favor of safe ranges, some of the rules can seem downright ridiculous.

Then again... I've been at public ranges during "deer season sight in" time. Even with very good ROs, there are still people who do the wackiest things.

From what I've seen at a few clubs, some of the folks who work as ROs are also the ones most actively involved in the politics and running of the club. I'd bet that all too frequently somebody just gets sick and tired of giving the same speech to different boneheads and decides "That's it! Screw this... they can all get one bullet and one bullet only."

I'm not saying it's right, just that I can see how it happens.

 

[Freedomv]

As an answer to/for Earplug and not trying or intending to offend.

[Ever try loading one round in a AR 16 and trying to shoot a decent group.]

Competitive shooters, shooting Match and National Match course of fire, begin at 200 yards shooting slow fire, off hand, loading ‘1’ round at a time and finish up at 600 yards slow fire prone loading and firing ‘1’ round at a time. And yes with AR15 or M16 rifles.

I am very envious of the groups that they fire with the AR and M16 type rifles.

As for the 1 round rule, I expect or suspect some one ruined it for everyone with improper firearm use and saftey. Sad situation when you desire to practice timed and rapid fire.

Vern

 

[ZeSpectre]

Never heard of a 1 round limit. Don't think I'd care to shoot there.
I've been to places with a 5 round limit. It was always so the range could go "cold" at reasonable intervals so targets could be reset.

The NRA HQ range is EXTREMELY STRICT about the height you shoot at (where you are shooting had better be at about eye level). You hit anything but the target and the backstop and you'll get an earful.

Another private range I used to go to would let you shoot pretty much however you liked...until you hit a hanger, then you were on a different set of restrictions for a while (and you usually had to pay for the damage). Strangely enough that was an extrememly popular range right up until the owner died and it closed <sigh>.

 

[grimjaw]

Prevents the yahoo's from blowing of a magazine in .002 seconds....

Consider me one of the yahoos. I consider it challenging to keep sustained, accurate fire on a target at a high speed. I don't do this very well now, and I need practice. If I could land the entire magazine in the 10 ring while "yahoo"ing, perhaps there'd be less name calling.

jm

 

[Quickdraw Limpsalot]

This has got to be the dumbest thing I've heard (today at least.) Why don't they just load your round in the gun for you too?

 

[Caimlas]

Them: "Sir, we only allow aimed shooting on this range. No blasting away, rapid-fire."
Me: "I'm sorry. Those shots were aimed. Care to look at the target?"

I know of no round limitations, but then I don't frequent any local ranges because there aren't any that I can get in (exclusive members-only places - grr!).

 

[STAGE 2]

Thats just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Places that institute is are just using a broad brush because they don't want to be bothered with actually policing the rage for morons while letting the competent people shoot.

Its just laziness, thats all.

 

[springmom]

I've tried to figure out why a bolt-action .243 is a threat if it has more than one round in it at a time. So far I've not come up with an explanation... Or my husband's .30-06 for that matter. Stupid rules.

Springmom

 

[BigBlock]

This is exactly why I have absolutely no interest in ever going to a gun range. I am an adult, I don't need anybody making up rules for me. When I want to shoot I go out to the woods, I can shoot whatever I want whenever I want however I want...for free no less.

 

[Barr]

The load one round at a time rule is pretty silly. I do practice a little bit with my semi-automatic handguns, but lately I find myself shooting revolvers or a match auto that I do not fire fast in the first place.

One of the ranges I go to has rifle and handgun shooters next to each other on the firing line. Because of this, if there is a rifle shooter there working with a scoped bolt gun etc., I try not to fire at an excessive rate of speed. I appreciate the same courtesy if I am the one firing the rifle. If there is no one doing precision work though, I just blaze away and enjoy it.

As long as the shots are hitting the targets, all is good.

 

[Mannlicher]

Considering the number of yahoos that want to bump fire, rapid fire, and generally act like morons, yes, I agree.

Personally, I don't shoot much at public ranges. I have access to a farm that has a wonderful private range on it. I can bump fire, rapid fire, and act like a moron there, but it only affects me.

 

[gezzer]

Fudd Club

They wonder why they get no new members and are having a hard time keeping up with costs to stay open. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

 

[Stevie-Ray]

I got used to it years ago at an outdoor range because the SAR-48 is very easy to load and fire 1 round. Hate it with handguns, so I don't frequent the ranges that order it anymore. The old range that I used, that is no longer in business, didn't really enforce it with handguns, though. They just got picky about rapid fire.

 

[Cosmoline]

It's an absurd rule. If troublemakers are spraying and praying, ban them. Don't punish everybody with some #@$! rule that makes it nearly impossible to use modern semis.

And I agree with those who point out that rapid fire is not the same as unaimed fire. I've seen slow firing noobs who can't hit the backstop and rapid firing shooters who are nailing the target every time.

Obeying that rule kept me from realizing I had a problem with my rifle last summer: because I had not needed to work the extractor and let another round come up into the chamber, I didn't realize the thing wasn't working.

That's a fantastic point. I've run into similar feeding issues on various rifles over the years, and the only way to safely find out about them is to load the mag up all the way and fire off the batch. Up here that sort of thing can cost a man his life.

These "one round at a time" nancy boys remind me of the armory master in "Zulu Dawn" (not to be confused with Zulu!) who insisted on measuring out one round at a time to soldiers even as the Zulus swarmed the lines. Our sport attracts a lot of good people, but it also seems to attract a certain type of person who loves to inflict the rest of us us with what I like to call obsessive-compulsive rulemaking.

 

[P0832177]

It is not a stupid rule! It was generated because of yahoo's! Look that ceiling, walls, floor, and benches that will give you all the validation a range owner or club needs!

Gosh, I frequent an indoor range and the morning starts with fresh paint on the carriers. Funny how there are marks on them later in the day!

To the whiners, I say be glad you have a place to shoot! Till you are the one signing the front of the checks for the range quit whining!

 

[Robert Hairless]

ArmedBear:

Those who CAN shoot, know when they're on target, whether they're shooting 1 shot per 2 seconds, or double-taps. I don't pull the trigger if the gun isn't pointed at the target, fast or slow. And I'm not god's gift to handgun shooting or anything. I just don't like shooting at the walls, floor, or ceiling.

My guess is that the "no rapidfire" rules at public ranges aren't made to restrict competent shooters like you. The intent seems to be to prevent less competent shooters from shooting beyond their ability to control the firearm.

I've observed that rapidfire is like a plague: when one shooter does it, it spreads like wildfire to others, including those who aren't very good at a more measured pace. After the little tour I was given, I became more observant. I've seen a couple of people showing off for their friends and girlfriends by rapidfiring a string into the concrete a few yards ahead.

Although I find the rule annoying, I prefer having it to turning away all but the competent shooter. I like new shooters and want their numbers to increase. The more of them there are, the better of we all will be. They need a place to practice and become competent. I'm willing to use the range at a nearby club, where there is no such rule, to do my drills.

 

[The Burnside Ninja]

At least allow "double taps"

At the range, you're supposed to train how you would shoot, correct? Granted, I'm not saying that someone should pound out a whole magazine in a few seconds- however, in a self-defense situation, a person would most likely fire a couple rounds into the BG as fast as possible. Ergo, a quick double-tap should be appropriate.

The point of a firing range is to ensure that you've got the mechanics of what you "hope" to do in a real-world situation. I know that a burgler, rapist, serial killer won't stand still while you align sights, etc... but it's all about the hand-eye cooridination and mechanics involved. Do you agree??

 

[Cosmoline]

To the whiners, I say be glad you have a place to shoot! Till you are the one signing the front of the checks for the range quit whining!

Tell me you're being sarcastic. And what does that have to do with a one bullet in the mag rule? The last time I checked it's just as easy to miss when you load up one at a time.

To the whiners, I say be glad you have a place to shoot! Till you are the one signing the front of the checks for the range quit whining!

Maybe the arrogant jerk signing the checks needs to remember where the money comes from!

 

[BigBlock]

Maybe the arrogant jerk signing the checks needs to remember where the money comes from!

Bingo!

 

[cracked butt]

Lamest rule I ever heard of.

 

[Legionnaire]

Club I used to belong to in NY state had that rule on the 300 yard rifle range. Best I can figure, it was because the bench resters "owned" that range, and weren't too keen on others using the range. It was presented as a safety factor. The rule was set aside for high power matches, or other competitions for which the course of fire required multiple rounds in the magazine.

No such limit on the indoor or outdoor handgun ranges, or the shotgun stations for that matter.

 

[P0832177]

Do I agree with the rule, no. I am a practical person that knows the realities of things. A poster failed to realize that they are not the one signing the checks for the operation of the range. I was not being sarcastic. Blunt yeah! :banghead: Sure is easy to sit at a keyboard and bemoan the realities of the world. Sure the range operator might be loosing business, but they have to stay in business.

The simple problem is that most shooters do not possess the same skill set. Hey, maybe you can talk to the range owner or mgnt to get an exemption. Why whine about things you have no control over?

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference. --Reinhold Niebuhr

Safety comes above all, that is simple. It would be nice that ranges allowed for drawing from holsters, engaging multiple targets, and host of other practical shooting exercises. That only exists in a fantasy world or ranges that allow such activities.

Come back to reality folks. Range owners and clubs have to factor things down to lowest common denominator! And from my experiences of shooting, and watching others shoot well they are not that good. Only in their mind! I put cardboard spacers in between the carrier and target to allow for misalignment of the sights. And, no I do not hit the carrier.