Suit Blames Video Game for N.M. Slayings

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Fredrick Wertham v comic books (Seduction of the Innocent)
Carl Bakal v firearms (This Very Day a Gun May Kill YOU! 1959)
Edward Wood v smut magazines (The Sinister Urge)

Now playing in a courtroom near you, Scapegoat Part Infinity,
starring Jack Thompson v Videogames.

When I was a kid in fifth grade, I was given materials to
take home to warn my parents that if I watched Popeye
I would get into fights, if I watched the Three Stooges
I would poke people's eyes out, and if I watched Superman
I would tie a towel around my neck and try to fly off the
top of a tall building at a single bound.

It is so nice that all these people want to save us, but who is
going to save us from them?

The NM kid's addiction to videogames is like that SanFrancisco
killer's addiction to Twinkies: it was a SYMPTOM not a CAUSE.
 
Hold on there sea biscuit!

Just because someone likes graphic video games doesn't mean they have a psychosis.

I happen to know (and be one) many people who feel when it comes to video games the more and realistic blood and gore in the game... the better the game!

I don't know any of us who have uncontrollable urges to go on rampages or stick our parents with a little axe.

This kid was nutzo it has nothing to do with him getting his but spanked or playing violent games.


-DR
 
Most people who like videogames are not psychotic.
Most psychotics probably do not like videogames.
The kid in NM was both psychotic and played videogames.
Jack Thompson says his obsession with videogames was
the cause of his psychosis.
I am saying his obsession with violent videogames was caused
by his psychosis.

I am not saying that everyone who plays videogames is
psychotic: I have played videogames (OK maybe that is not
a good example). I do mean perfectly sane people have played
videogames without having their innocence seduced by the
sinister urge of demon videogame madness. My point is,
attacking symptoms does not cure diseases: Jack Thompson
that is just scapegoating. People like him do not understand
human motivation and seek to control behavior by banning
things.
 
El T, I don't think I would eat the snow in Indiana. Nothing personal. :p
 
For information's sake - I know nothing about the particulars of this case and the participants.

However, there are psychologists out there who make the claim that video games prime aggressive ideation. Grossman makes the case in his book, On Killing.

If one goes to a Psych or Social Science data base, you can search on aggression and media, video games and come up with legit references that do show in the lab that such games may prime aggression. The issue is whether that transfers to the real world and one could make that case to a jury if it goes to trial.

Banning such games is, of course, a First Amend. issue. One would have to show a very powerful effect for the Constitutional protections to be overriden. It's like the porno debate. Does the media in question prime actions that someone doesn't like?
 
Jack Thompson

Jack Thompson
that is just scapegoating. People like him do not understand
human motivation and seek to control behavior by banning
things.

Scapegoating is the anti mantra. Find a scapegoat, then legislate it out of existence! :rolleyes:
 
Someone's got some 'splainin' to do...

Am I supposed to belive that there were no mass murdering teens or serial killer teens before we had video games? 'Splain that to me, okay?
 
It's a well known fact that Hitler rose to power by winning the local Doom tournament.

The one made by id Software is just a brushed-up graphics rip-off of the original German game.

And if you believe that, I have a statue for you.
 
Abused children without TLC will end up seeking refuge in something, usually video games. This isn't a problem at first, however it's similar to athletes and narcotic pain killers. Soon the effects of the abuse will start to feed off of the violence in video games as the child becomes more dependant on them. If going on a rampage in a video game eases their pain, how much better will it be in real life.
Video games aren't to blame but they don't help matters any. Will restricting or banning video games do any good, Not really. Parents taking care of their kids properly will help end these problems.
 
However, there are psychologists out there who make the claim that video games prime aggressive ideation. Grossman makes the case in his book, On Killing.

FWIW, Grossman's methodology and many of his statements are highly questionable.
 
Landmarks in violent video games:

1991 Duke Nukem is released and published by Apogee Software and followed in 1993 by Duke Nukem II and in 1996 by Duke Nukem 3D.

1993 DOOM released by iD Software, and downloaded an estimated 10 million times in first two years. DOOM II is released the following year. A new DOOM game is released from every year until 1996, then DOOM 3 is released in 2004 and made into a motion picture in 2005.

1996 Quake is introduced, also by iD Software, and is only the second game in history that allows players to play against each other on the internet. "Quake and its three sequels, Quake II, Quake III Arena and Quake 4, have sold over 4 million copies combined." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quake

1998 Grand Theft Auto introduced for PC and PlayStation. This is followed by three more GTA games in 1999, including GTA II on PlayStation and Dreamcast with upgraded graphics. GTA III makes its debut in 2001 with subsequent GTA III games coming out in 2002, 2004 (2), 2005, and 2006.

2000 Hitman is developed and released for PC by IO Interactive. Sequals follow in 2002, 2004, and 2006.

All video game information courtesy of Wikipedia.

Violent Crime By Age Group and Year, Bureau of Justice Statistics

YEAR.........14 and younger..........Ages 15 to 17
1993.........42, 230.......................97,280
1994.........46,724........................104,350
1995.........44,590........................104,309
1996.........40,145........................96,347
1997.........38,041........................85,412
1998.........34,471........................77,729
1999.........33,703........................69,313
2000.........33,130........................66,261
2001.........31,982........................64,591
2002.........29,784........................62,671
2003.........30,447........................62,088

So in 1994 they might have been able to make a case against violent video games, because that is the only year in which violent crime among youth can be seen to have increased. In nearly every subsequent year, with the exception of 2003, violent crime among both age groups declined. In fact, the violent crime rate amongst children 14 and younger is 27.9% lower in 2003 than in 1993, and 36.2% lower amongst 15 to 17-year olds for the same time period despite the rising popularity of violent video games, and increasingly detailed graphics amongst all genres of violent video games. So a better case could be made that violent video games reduce violence amongst youths rather than the opposite.

Violence and gore is only getting more popular and easy to access for children as not only video games, but movies, music, art, and internet material. If it was the cause of violence in children, crimes rates would show it. They don't.

I grew up with an original Nintendo but can remember playing Duke Nukem on PC and PS. In fact I have played most popular first person shooters for nearly every major platform since the Nintendo. I can remember playing Syphon Filter and Quake for PS as well. There was Rainbow Six, 007, and Perfect Dark for N64. I am a huge fan of HALO and its sequel, have played Hitman and Soldier of Fortune, have been known to frequent Ghost Recon, and loved DOOM 3 for Xbox. I listen to angry music too--Mudvayne, Dry Kill Logic, In Flames, Distrurbed, Manson...and my favorite movies are war movies. I played with toy guns as a child, and had plenty of access to real ones. I slept with a loaded Mini-14 at the foot of my bed when I was 11. Can't say I ever shot any one, and I've never been in trouble for a violent offense. My parents actually took responsibility for me by teaching me to seperate fiction from reality and both acknowleding and accepting the consequences for my actions. That is what this country needs. Not more law suits placing blame where it doesn't belong.
 
MTM, how dare you go about inserting facts and figures into the middle of a perfectly good, fully-emotional moral panic!

Why next thing you know, those whippersnappers will be reading Penny Dreadfuls and running amok!
 
I wear this t-shirt often
I find it amusing because i'm an avid gamer and shooter. If guns kill people OR kids who play video games kill people, i'd be one deadly mother****er. I play video games involving killing and shooting people more each week than i work my job (and i work 40+hours). I've never gotten angry enough to even consider shooting people 'just because i do it in the game and it's fun!', or in fact considered shooting ANYONE for ANY reason other than protecting myself or my family. It's a freakin' game. You have to be seriously mentally unstable to be unable to differentiate between a game and reality. Before video games, people had T.V....before T.V., they had their imaginations. A twisted individual will find a way to act on their flawed consciousness.

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Kids are impressionable, and like it or not, the design of their education is pure brainwashing with an end goal of fabricating productive, self sufficient, and compatible members of society. If I was designing an education program, it wouldn't include violent video games. The scope of education includes everything to which a child is exposed, and it is the task of parents to supervise all of it. The crisis of parenting is a real problem, and when poorly parented children become a problem for society, I believe the law has both jurisdiction and cause to get involved.
 
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The crisis of parenting is a real problem, and when poorly parented children become a problem for society, I believe the law has both jurisdiction and cause to get involved.

No. The only responsibility of the law is to punish those who violate the basic human rights of others.

The law dictating how parents should raise their children is one of the most invasive forms of JBT-enforced socialism.
 
Blame Game

Actually, this is nothing new. Flip Wilson got the ball rollin' the first time he said: "The devil made me do it!" It caught on and expanded, so now everybody who doesn't want to be held accountable for their actions just blames it on whatever devil happens to be handy.

Thanks a LOT, Flip! :rolleyes:
 
Oh crap, I just finished reading Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six.... so if I start blasting people its because my 'impressionable' mind has been polluted by those nasty violent books, especially the texts I read about the world wars in school.

After we ban the video games, we had better ban books... .the writers are just irresponsible. Next we ban violent thoughts, then ANY thoughts.
 
Oh crap, I just finished reading Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six.... so if I start blasting people its because my 'impressionable' mind has been polluted by those nasty violent books, especially the texts I read about the world wars in school.

After we ban the video games, we had better ban books... .the writers are just irresponsible. Next we ban violent thoughts, then ANY thoughts.

Careful not to play the related Tom Clancy games. You might be induced into sneaking around world trouble spots, hanging upside-down while wearing nightvision goggles and quietly taking out guards. :rolleyes:
 
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