give me a break, i'm 59 years old and if I want to like an ugly gun, i'm going to
Fair enough. You know what they say about beauty being in the eyes of the beholder.
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the .410 is already not exactly confidence inspiring for SD as shotgun shells go, and that's out of a shotgun. When you kill any velocity it might have by putting it in a short barrel revolver, it becomes even less so. Penetration is terribly lacking, shot spreads out too quickly for useful SD, it leaves the 'donut hole' in the pattern so that you ensure that the one thing you are aiming at is the one thing that is not hit. But, because of great marketing, the uneducated see it as a way to have 'shotgun power in a handgun,' thereby making it the ultimate SD gun. Oh, and if you are going to load it with .45LC (the best way to actually make it a good SD gun) then you might as well just buy a real .45LC revolver because it'll have better accuracy.
I would have posted this... so +1.
I think this is why the Judge is panned by many. The SD suitability of .410 loads out of a 18"+ shotgun is frequently questioned, typically due to lackluster penetration. But when Taurus hacked 13" + off the barrel of the .410, the gun suddenly becomes far more capable. It just doesn't add up.
Not bashing the Judge at all. One should carry the gun that works the best for them, and if that gun is the Judge (or a Glock, K Frame Smith or CZ 75), so be it.
But one should also take into consideration the Judge's compromises, as already discussed. Though some report stellar accuracy with 45 LC out of the Judge, the typical Judge is not going to be as accurate as a dedicated LC platform, such as the S&W 25/625, due to the Judge's additional freebore. So you if your primary reason for purchasing the gun is to shoot .45 Colt, you'd be well advised to check out other guns chambered for .45 Colt, such as the aforementioned S&W 25/625, Ruger Vacquero, Ruger Redhawk, etc.
As for the "dutch loading", one of the most comical I ever heard went something like this (gun in question was a Ruger GP100) ...
Cylinder charge hole #1: Empty brass case with only a primer. You know, to make noise, hopefully to scare the bad guy away
2: Same as above, but loaded with a wax bullet (no powder). If the bang doesn't scare them, maybe getting beaned by a chunk of wax will do the trick
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3. 38 Special birdshot
4. Another round of birdshot
5. 38 Special hollowpoint (don't remember the type)
6. 158 grain .357 magnum hollowpoint
NOTE: This is NOT my loading, just someone I know.
I just hope he never finds himself face-to-face with a determined aggressor standing but a few feet away. He'll have to pull the trigger 4 times to get to the first effective loading.
I don't get it, probably never will. Different folks, different strokes I reckon.