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Taurus PT92 vs Beretta 92

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Nightcrawler, Jul 3, 2006.

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  1. Nightcrawler

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    How do these pistols stack up against each other these days? Obviously, the Taurus is a copy of the Beretta design, but both companies seem to be going in different directions with them.

    One thing I like about the Taurus is that, unlike Berreta (except for a few select models), the Taurai use a frame mounted safety.

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    The problem with the frame-mounted safety is the way it's configured. Up is safe, middle is fire, down is decock. Problem is, if you have it cocked & locked, and mash the safety lever down to the decock position, and hold it there, the pistol is disabled. It could potentially happen in a stressful situation.

    If I were in charge, I'd make two versions, thus. The decock version would just "press down to decock", like on the FNP-40 pistol. The SA version would enable cocked & locked carry, but if you wanted to carry hammer down, you'd have to manually lower the hammer, like on a CZ-75.

    Note that the Taurus now comes standard with a 17 round magazine.

    The other choice is, of course, the Beretta. Beretta recently came out with a standard-frame gun (as opposed to a vertec) that has a rail for mounting a weapon light. Of course, older Surefire type lights that don't require a rail are still available, but they're big by current standards.

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    Beretta still clings to the two-stage, slide mounted safety. They make a decock only version, and in this case, the position of the lever become less important. (I understand that the military requires a manual safety for its pistols, and that's why Beretta makes 'em that way.)

    So, my question is this. Taurus' quality has been constantly improving. I've handled a Beretta 92FS and a Taurus togther, side by side, and couldn't tell any significant difference in fit or finish.

    Could it be that the Taurus is every bit as good a gun as the Beretta now? Any thoughts?

    I should say that I don't include military Berettas in my assessment, just because typically, the ones I've handled have been disappointing.
     
  2. JohnKSa

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    Well, here's how I see it.

    I've never heard anyone ask if a Beretta 92 is just as good as a PT92. Think about it. ;)

    My advice is that if you want a Beretta, you should buy one. Don't buy a Taurus if you want a Beretta, or vice versa.
     
  3. oldskoolfattieg

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    How is the weapon disabled if it decocked, its double action just pull the trigger and bang
     
  4. Nightcrawler

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    I don't want either one. I'm just curious.

    If you hold the Taurus safety lever down, as you may do after quickly swiping it off safe, when your adrenaline is pumping, the trigger is disabled. If you release the lever, then yes, you've got just a double action trigger pull.

    Personally, I don't think a manual safety and a decocking device should be the same lever.
     
  5. Lebben-B

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    I prefer the frame mounted safety of the Taurus, too. Performance-wise, I think it's a dead heat between the two. As far as fit and finish, Beretta still holds a significant edge IMO. Beretta also has an edge with quality control/customer service. Reports about Taurus' QC/CS (on this forum and TFL) have been decidedly mixed. I haven't had any problems with my PT92 but if I did, it'd be a bit more comforting to know that the company would stand four-square behind it's product.

    Mike
     
  6. Golddog

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    The cocked and locked option makes the Taurus much more attractive (the absurdly long first pull of the Beretta has always disqualified it for me), and Gun Tests preferred the Taurus over the Beretta in a recent side-by-side test.

    But the Beretta is one of the most reliable models in the world, and Taurus QC issues are legendary (although I haven't seen complaints about their 92).

    For me, the matter is moot, since the CZ 75B does everything better than either.
     
  7. albanian

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    "Could it be that the Taurus is every bit as good a gun as the Beretta now? Any thoughts?"

    I doubt it. If the Taurus was "just as good" as the Beretta, they would sell for the same price. There is no free lunch. Beretta has built up it's reputation based on quailty for the past 500+ years. It is the oldest gun company in the world. Beretta inovates while Taurus copies. There is a HUGE difference in that.

    I guess it depends on what you want it for. If you need a serious gun for serious use, you should not try and skimp on quality. It is like all things. There are times when you can get away with buying cheap but not if your life is ever going to depend on it. I work with tools for my job. Sometimes I will buy a cheap wrench if I am only going to need it for one or two uses that are not important. If I plan on keeping the tool for a while and using it, I buy good quality. If the tool is not going to be under any stress, you can go ahead and buy the Chinese knock-off tool.

    I rank Beretta as the very best in self defense pistols bar none. I keep a 92fs loaded by my bed. I have a choice of any make or model and the Beretta has proven to be more reliable and a better gun than anything else I have tried. I rank Beretta over Glock, SIG, BHPs, 1911s and everything else. I won't even cross the street to spit on a Taurus after the bad guns I have had. I am not interested in Taurus when the real deal can be had.
     
  8. Jkwas

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    Is the Beretta M9 as good as the Taurus PT92? :neener:
     
  9. MachIVshooter

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    While the Taurus does shoot fine, there is a world of difference in fit and finish. you can see it, you can feel it and you definitely notice when you rack the slide or pull the trigger. The Beretta is far smoother. A buddy of mine bought a PT92 a couple years ago, using the "its the same gun" argument. Then he came over and played with my 92 FS and quickly wished he'd spent the extra $200.

    Taurus does make some good firearms (I have a PT145, definitely in a class by itself), but if a model 92 is what a person wants, they will be happier with the Beretta.
     
  10. Black Knight

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    I have a personal Beretta 92F and like it, on the job I carry an M9 (Beretta 92FS). I attended an armorers course at Beretta 2 years ago and according to them the Taurus uses the old original design for the Beretta. Beretta sold it to them after Beretta made some refinements to the design for the military. Both are good but I like my Beretta.
     
  11. Shipwreck

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    I think everyone is here is spot on. I prefer the Beretta myself.. :)
     
  12. Tecolote

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    I've always liked the Taurus safety set up better than the Beretta. I don't like Taurus mod to include a hammer drop feature in the safety. I wish they would've retained the original design requested by Brazil. I've been trying to track down a NIB original style PT92, but so far no luck.
     
  13. Ken Rainey

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    Like Black Knight said, Taurus uses the old original design (safety on the frame instead of the slide) and I prefer it. I preferred the frame mounted safety of the "older" Taurus' where it was only a safety instead of a hammer drop as well but I would still pick the Taurus over the Beretta today.

    The way I heard it was that Taurus took over a Beretta plant that was left in Brazil after fulfilling a contract for the Brazilian military...same equipment making the same pistol but with the Taurus name....that was a long time ago and both pistols have evolved since then...I had one of the "older" designed Taurus' for several years and liked it very much, after I got into 1911s I sold it to a good friend who became my Sheriff later on ... he's had it about 11 years now and won't let it go, it just sits in reserve to his 1911 these days!

    Taurus has the lifetime repair policy on all of their firearms and will stand behind them no matter how old it is or who owns it.

    The fellow I purchased the PT92 from was a big time reloader and bullet molder and shooter and had fired several thousand rds thru the pistol and had the locking block crack....he called Taurus and they said send it in, he got them to just send him the new locking block and he put it in himself and it's still going today. When I owned it, I got my gunsmith Uncle to help me smooth the action a little and may have changed a spring, but I remember that careful polishing in the right places is what made all the difference in the smoothness of the action.

    IF I had to pick one or the other I'd go with the Taurus, of course, YMMV...:)
     
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    That's the same story I heard. My Dad has a PT99 (same thing but adjustable sights) and it's been extremely reliable. I haven't shot a Beretta 92 though so I can't say if the Beretta is worth the couple hundred bucks more.
     
  15. 10-Ring

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    Tauri seem to be nice values. I've had two over the years and still have the revolver. I have had issues w/ their sights & their triggers but all in all, they are okay.
    Now, I have 4 Berettas in various sizes and one of their shotguns. I have had no issue w/ their guns after shooting 1000's of rounds from my 92fs' or 100's of rounds throuh my year old shotgun :D
    My advice, if you want a Beretta, get one...dont' settle! ;)
     
  16. Steve C

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    I have a Beretta 92f, a Taurus PT92 old safety style. Both are good shooters and extreemly reliable. The Beretta has a better finish and smoother out of the box trigger and is a tad more accurate but that may be just the difference in trigger. In functionality both brands are even IMO. The Taurus has been shot more over the years and is used more as a travel and car carry pistol mainly because if its lost, stolen or confiscated I'd be less annoyed than if the same happened to the Beretta.

    The Taurus 92 is a good value and I have no reservation endorsing it as a good pistol for friends who want a semi auto 9mm but don't want to spend a lot of money on it.
     
  17. 1911_CQB

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    I hate the m-9. It doesnt fit my hand, the ones we have are beat to hell. Id rather have the m11 ( P228). Well, actually Id rather have a 1911, but hey, who are we kidding right now. damn you nine milliwiener. :cool:
     
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    I think the Taurus is a good gun, but I dont think it is as good as a Beretta. The Beretta has a better fit and finish, a smoother action, a better trigger, and I think its more accurate.

    A friend had the .40 Taurus and it was a good gun. It was accurate, reliable, and had a mild recoil.

    If someone were to give me a Taurus, I wouldnt turn them down. But, if I were spending my own money, it would definitly be the Beretta.
     
  19. JohnKSa

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    Getting some typing exercise? :rolleyes:
     
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    Taurus origionally liscensed built Model 92's for the Brazillian Military under contract on Baretta machinery. It was the requirment from the Brazillian Government to procure the Baretta's. When the contract was completed, the machinery was purchased by someone there, and Taurus, already a manufacturer of hand guns (although low quality then), started making an older design of the 92 that did not have a decocker, only a frame mounted safety. Cocked and locked, or manually dropping the hammer like a 1911 were the options. Talk about careful gun handling techniques!

    Fit and finish are nice on both the Baretta and the Taurus. Yes, holding the current decocker down will tie up the Taurus, but not flicking the not so well positioned safety on the Baretta will tie the pistol up too. ANYTHING can be made to fail ('cept my Glocks:neener: ), so practice with the weapon you choose to use is important.

    I used to own a PT99AF Taurus, and a Baretta 92 is in the safe right now. I would not feel under armed with either.
     
  21. sugarbritches

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    same?

    I fired both 92FS and the T:what: aurus at the range. They both shot true, but I perfered the 92FS trigger. The Taurus left my trigger finger feeling numb. Vibrations? who knows, could have just been that gun; however, I would take the Beretta anyday!
     
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    I think their way to big for caliber and outdated. I have a stainless TP-92 AR that had about a 150 rounds fired thru it . Less than 25 by me. I'll stay with my 1911 and the PT-92 can stay in box . If SHTF I'll trade it for a woman.:D She would be of more use.
     
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    "I hate the m-9. It doesnt fit my hand, the ones we have are beat to hell. Id rather have the m11 ( P228). Well, actually Id rather have a 1911, but hey, who are we kidding right now. damn you nine milliwiener. "

    That response added nothing to the conversation. All it did was make you look like a idiot. Congrats!

    Anyway, I too prefer the frame mounted safety/decock but that alone is not going to make me buy a Taurus. I wish Beretta would go to a de-cock only on there pistols ala SIG and mount it on the frame ala SIG. SIG really has the best controls. De-cock only mounted on the frame where it is out of the way and easy to reach. Too bad SIGs don't fit my hand as well and are not as reliable as Beretta.
     
  24. Tecolote

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    Like others posted the original Beretta Brazil contract was for a modified 92, with the cocked and locked feature. The contract also required Beretta to set up a factory in Brazil. When the contract was up, Forjas Taurus then bought the factory under the condition that they couldn't sell outside Brazil for 10 years. Taurus later incorporated the 92S-1 mag release. To gain greater market share Taurus designed the 3 position safety, locked, hammer drop and cocked and locked.

    I'm looking for a NIB PT 92 with the original safety design and the 92S-1 style mag release. IMHO these are the best of the lot. So far I haven't been able to find one at a reasonable price.:banghead:
     

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    Nightcrawler: In my view the Taurus PT92 is a rip off the Beretta and thats why a new Beretta 92fs is $550.00 Beretta needs to sue Taurus for copy right infringement and along with all the company's who Taurus ripped off. Same thing for EAA for the rip-off of the CZ-75. When I saw Shooting Gallery give Taurus a award I yelled at my TV sure the 24/7 is there own design but when I think Taurus I think bastard pistol and rifle company.

    My view's in this replay are Fact and opinion
     
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