Tell me about CZ's

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by zeroskillz, Sep 7, 2007.

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  1. Pilot

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    That's not a fair comparison. The G19 is the compact version of the full size G17. A better comparison would be the CZ-75D PCR which is the compact, lightweight, alloy version of the 75B. IMHO the PCR is a better choice than the G19. The G19 is a great gun, but you must like the Glock trigger system. I don't. My PCR is very accurate and has a nice, clean and fairly light trigger.
     
  2. armoredman

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    To compare full size duty handguns, first the G-17 and CZ-SP01

    ............G-17.......................SPO1.......................CZ75B
    Weight...22.04oz.................. 31.20 oz....................26.4oz

    Height....5.43 in....................5.8in.........................5.4in

    Length...7.32 in.....................8.1 in........................8.1 in

    Width...1.18 inch...................1.5 in........................1.4 in

    Operation..."Safe Action".........DA/SA...................... DA/SA

    .........................................(both CZs can be carried C&L)
    Mag Cap...17 .......................19............................16


    OK, now with the compacts.

    .............Glock 19..................CZ PO1..................CZ Compact

    Weight....20.99oz...................20.40 ozAlloy...........25.2ozSteel

    Length....6.85 in.....................7.2 in.....................7.3in

    Hieght.....5.0 in......................5.3in......................5.0 in

    Width......1.18in......................1.4in .....................1.4

    Operate..."Safe Action" .......DA/SA decock........... DA/SA+C&L

    Mag Cap....15..........................14.........................14


    Wel, that's the numbers from the respective manufacteres websites. The G17 weighs 2 ounces less than the CZ-75B, carries one more round, is longer, but skinnier. And it comes in plastic, while the CZ is steel framed. BTW, 2oz is about the weight of 5 9mm JHP rounds.
    Go to the SPO1, and the differances are bigger, with the 2 extra rounds the SPO1 carries, being longer, heavier and taller.

    Now we switch to the compacts, and you see the G19 and PO1 with the CZ-75 Compact as control, being a steel framed sidearm. The G-19 carries one more round, is shorter and skinnier, but the Glock is heavier than the PO1. The Compact is longer and wider than the G-19, but only 4.1 oz heavier, even being steel frame.

    Everyne keeps telling me that the Glock is so light weight compared to any other sidearm - patently untrue, sorry. Darn funny it's HEAVIER than my PO1.

    Oh, price...well, lesse, I looked at Davidsons, and this is what I found.
    Glock 17 MSRP $646 Glock 19 MSRP $646
    CZ-75B MSRP $528 CZ-SP01 MSRP $616 CZPO1 MSRP $595, ($795 with Crimson trace Lasergrips installed), and CZ-75 Compact, MSRP $559.
     
  3. CraCZ

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    Great job Armoredman! Amen to everything you said! Best comparison Iv'e seen lately on that overpriced tupperware.
     
  4. WVleo

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    Thanks , Am healing nicely and will be looking for another CZ I think a 75 this time in 9mm ........WVleo
     
  5. jdc1244

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    I can only relate my own experience: When I first got my CZ 75 SP-01 I shot 300 rounds through it; not one FTF/FTE. It ate all kinds of ammo w/o a problem. The same was true of my CZ83 and 75B.

    I’ve also had an excellent experience with CZ rifles – both rim- and centerfire.

    If I were a dealer I’d sell them.
     
  6. Average Joe

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    Excellent choice, I trust my life to a CZ, its my carry piece.
     
  7. bigred82

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    The P-01 is on my short list, and I definately think it is a good weapon. But it would be blatantly misleading to say that it is lighter than a G19. I'm not sure where you are getting your weight statistics for these CZs, but CZ shows the statistics for their handguns on their website - and they are not what you posted.

    1lb = 16oz.

    CZ's own website shows the P-01 at 1.7lbs.
    P-01
    1.7 x 16 = 27.2oz. not 20.4oz.

    CZ 75B compact is 2.1lbs.
    2.1 x 16 = 33.6oz. not 25.2oz.

    CZ SP-01 is 2.6lbs.
    2.6 x 16 = 41.6oz. not 31.2oz.

    The P-01 is very light for an all metal handgun, but it is still 6.21oz. heavier than the G19.

    Both the P-01 and the G19 are excellent handguns (I will be getting a P-01 once my gun fund is replenished), but the G19 is still shorter, smaller, slimmer, holds 1 more round, and can easily be found at the same competitive price - I got a LNIB for $370 with a perfectly refinished slide. Note: The P-01 beats the G19 hands down in ergonomics - this is strong point of the P-01.
     
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    It appears they're mistakenly based on 12 oz per lb.
     
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    ahh, so you are correct. Probably just a temporary mental block - we all get them at one time or another. That would explain the discrepancy - good eye! ;)
     
  10. armoredman

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    Ka-whoops! I have NO idea why the heck I made that error! I do apologize, cannot for the life of me explain that one. Good thing I wasn't reloading today, might have some humdingers of loads!
    Please accept my humble apologies on that account, there was no deliberate attempt to mislead. I must have had the wrong value in my measure translator, regardless of which, does not absolve the stupid move.

    I still say my PO1 is better than a G-19. I qualify every year with a Glock, Expert or Distinguished Expert, and I will never carry one off the Job.
     
  11. kgriggs8@yahoo.com

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    I thought the Glocks were lighter than the CZs. I never took the time to weigh them or look up the stats but ever since getting my Glocks, I have noticed that they are lighter than almost every other gun I have owned.

    Let me explain something. I have been shooting for over 20 years and I have only now started to like Glocks. I have owned Glocks in .45acp and I was never much impressed with them. It was not until this summer that I bought my first 9mm Glock (G-17). I shot it and I liked it. Within a few weeks, I had three more 9mm Glocks! G-19, G-26 and another G-17.

    The G-17 2nd gen seems to be what I shoot the best but the other G-17 and G-19 are really good as well. I have not had a single problem with any of them and they all point well for me. The G-26 is my least fav and I don't think it will ever take the place of my S&W M-38.

    Anyway, I always hated Glocks but now I am starting to like them. They are cheaply made compared to a SIG or A Beretta but they do work. They seem to either be loved or hated. I hated my .45acp Glocks but love my 9mm Glocks.

    That is why they make so many different guns. I say, give everything a try without pre-concieved ideas and you will benefit in the long run. You may not like some guns from a maker but they may have other guns that are right up your alley. Most makers offer something I like so I can not be too brand loyal.
     
  12. Bainx

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    WVleo, I am a rider also. I am interested in what the guilty party [stupid non attentive, idot, moron, sheeple, cell phone talking] driver had to say about his part in the accident?

    "I did not see the motorcycle" certainly reins in as Number 1.
     
  13. briang2ad

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    The most amazing stat here is...

    that a full-size DOUBLE STACK Glock is SLIMMER than a CZ!
     
  14. armoredman

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    Yep, by 22 hundredths of an inch. Also Glock 17 is taller than CZ-75, by a larger margin than it is slimmer.
     
  15. DirksterG30

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    That's not as significant as you might think. The CZ grip is ergonomic, designed with some consideration to the human hand; the Glock is more like a wooden board with rounded corners.
     
  16. bigred82

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    Ergonomics is the main reason why I am interested in the P-01. Fits the hand like a glove. The glock is a tool - lightweight, high capacity, great grip angle for me, and honestly the blockiness doesn't bother me - helps me get a good grip with my support hand. On the other hand, the P-01 is just about as perfect as one could get in terms of grip ergonomics. It just conforms to my hand as though it were a part of it. Now if they just came with ready-to-go triggers. I have yet to find a DA auto trigger as nice as my P226 Elite. (which will be even better after its trip to SIGarms).
     
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