sharpshooter74
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Texas, Houston area gun dealers main supplier for Mexican Drug Cartel
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wally
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Carter's Country probably sells more guns than any other Texas dealer.
This is basically old news with a different twist, last few times around it was "criminal's guns" now its "mexican drug cartel guns".
Sell more guns, you will have more turn up when stolen and traced.
Bill Carter lost a lot of support in Houston a while back (in the Clinton ere) when he came out in support of some bills to restrict gun shows, but I think he's seen the light as he first got hit with the "crime gun supplier" label not much later, the state level gun show restrictions failed, although the Feds have made it so out of state dealers can no longer sell here unless they transfer through an instate dealer which basically doubles the paperwork involved so they pretty much don't bother coming anymore.
This is basically old news with a different twist, last few times around it was "criminal's guns" now its "mexican drug cartel guns".
Sell more guns, you will have more turn up when stolen and traced.
Bill Carter lost a lot of support in Houston a while back (in the Clinton ere) when he came out in support of some bills to restrict gun shows, but I think he's seen the light as he first got hit with the "crime gun supplier" label not much later, the state level gun show restrictions failed, although the Feds have made it so out of state dealers can no longer sell here unless they transfer through an instate dealer which basically doubles the paperwork involved so they pretty much don't bother coming anymore.
dcarch
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Just another pathetic attempt at a smear job by the rag that serves as the propaganda arm of the gun-grabbers. Washington Post has been the Left's mouthpiece for as long as I can remember. Who knows, if we all get our news online, maybe some of these losers will have to find real jobs.
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True. The article refers to Carter's as being on the "top 12" list probably because they are one of the largest dealers in the region.
I agree that the premise of the article is more than a little anti-gun, but it is far from a hit job.
Shouldn't this (completely manufactured and WRONG article) be a secondary or tertiary issue for these Gubmint "Watchdogs"? What about BUILDING A WALL that would keep the illegals and drug trade OUT?!? Why isn't the WAPO doing stories about that? It really gets me angry when I read such yellow journalistic slander, but sadly I"ve come to expect it from sources such as this. Grrrrrr.
hirundo82
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I still haven't seen any major media outlet except Fox:
1) run the numbers and show that only a small number of guns being seized in Mexico are actually being submitted to the ATF for tracing, indicating that only guns that have a high likelihood of originating in the US are actually being traced (thus skewing the numbers).
2) point out that many of the guns the Mexicans like to bring out for the media (MGs, SBRs, grenades) are very strictly regulated in the US and are likely coming from the Mexican military itself.
3) note that many of the guns that actually do come from the US are actually shotguns and bolt-action rifles that may have been imported into Mexico legally.
Of course, facts would ruin the media narrative and their blatant gun ban agenda (the WaPo seems to be especially bad in this regard).
1) run the numbers and show that only a small number of guns being seized in Mexico are actually being submitted to the ATF for tracing, indicating that only guns that have a high likelihood of originating in the US are actually being traced (thus skewing the numbers).
2) point out that many of the guns the Mexicans like to bring out for the media (MGs, SBRs, grenades) are very strictly regulated in the US and are likely coming from the Mexican military itself.
3) note that many of the guns that actually do come from the US are actually shotguns and bolt-action rifles that may have been imported into Mexico legally.
Of course, facts would ruin the media narrative and their blatant gun ban agenda (the WaPo seems to be especially bad in this regard).
oneounceload
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I would strongly suspect that most cartel guns are US made, provided by the US government to the Mexican government, and subsequently misappropriated or stolen by Mexican soldiers
JMO, YMMV
JMO, YMMV
Shear_stress
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Probably true. I'm sure some guns come from the U.S., but those cartels sure as hell aren't getting their assault rifles and grenades from Carter's. The whole "Mexican crime guns" thing is a red herring designed to lead to "feel legislation" that will do nothing.
Build a wall!! There are tunnels found every few months that come up in some large building with a nice storage area where trucks back in load up and leave. Tunnels are used for everything from drugs to people. The stuff we see on television is not even the tip of the spear. To much money flowing on both sides of the boarder.
Like the news paper article there are just so many things slanted for the authors agenda instead of the investigated facts.
Like the news paper article there are just so many things slanted for the authors agenda instead of the investigated facts.
medalguy
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Has anyone seen the cartel shopping around to save $20 on an AR-15 or an AK? Get real. They buy wherever they can get the guns without paperwork, whether it's Texas or Maine or the corner Stop-n-Rob where the gangsta is selling his latest ill-begotten goodies.
Carter's Country did indeed make a lot of people mad when they tried to shut down gun shows years ago, and a lot of us haven't forgotten that. I know a lot of locals who won't shop there, and I'm one of them. You can't claim to be a friend of gun collectors one day and complain about the "gun show loophole" the next.
Carter's Country did indeed make a lot of people mad when they tried to shut down gun shows years ago, and a lot of us haven't forgotten that. I know a lot of locals who won't shop there, and I'm one of them. You can't claim to be a friend of gun collectors one day and complain about the "gun show loophole" the next.
I am getting really tired of this, they are pushing up the price of grenades, and I have not even been able to find any on my local FFL's shelves as a result of all the hoarding!
We all know the real reason this agenda continues to get hammered into the mind of the American public. They want to add new gun control restrictions in the USA.
We all know the real reason this agenda continues to get hammered into the mind of the American public. They want to add new gun control restrictions in the USA.
If Mexican Drug Cartels are coming across the border to buy guns from U.S. dealers at retail prices then they're even more stupid then I ever imagined.
They should have the resources to get guns from other sources much more cheaply and without running the risk of being arrested in the U.S. They're in the import/export business after all.
They should have the resources to get guns from other sources much more cheaply and without running the risk of being arrested in the U.S. They're in the import/export business after all.
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Ok these articles are really ticking me off. I first read about it I believe in a field and stream article when the Democrats used it as a reason for gun control.
Their argument was that 95% of guns traced from crime in Mexico came back to US dealers. While this maybe completely true, only 5% (FIVE PERCENT!!!) of the guns confiscated were traceable!! This means that our lovely government is manipulating facts by using key words that few will clue in on to make it seem like it is the US's fault that there are drug wars....
Maybe it's just me, but this seems wrong.
Sorry I can't reference this exact article, but it was within the last 2 years I believe.
Their argument was that 95% of guns traced from crime in Mexico came back to US dealers. While this maybe completely true, only 5% (FIVE PERCENT!!!) of the guns confiscated were traceable!! This means that our lovely government is manipulating facts by using key words that few will clue in on to make it seem like it is the US's fault that there are drug wars....
Maybe it's just me, but this seems wrong.
Sorry I can't reference this exact article, but it was within the last 2 years I believe.
Shadow 7D
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NOT THIS BS again
Actually it's the US government, and many other foreign governments, and
GASP!!!!!!!
The Mexican military and all their weapons, and UNITS that go work for the ***gasp*** drug cartels....
I know things are bigger in texas, but I don't think they carry military hardware on the front counter, let alone 'M-16s' or even AR's with the happy switch.
Actually it's the US government, and many other foreign governments, and
GASP!!!!!!!
The Mexican military and all their weapons, and UNITS that go work for the ***gasp*** drug cartels....
I know things are bigger in texas, but I don't think they carry military hardware on the front counter, let alone 'M-16s' or even AR's with the happy switch.
Perhaps a lot more is going on than meets the eye here.
First,Bill Carter has been more than vocal for his contempt with a lot of Washington D.C. politicians and a couple of past and present Presidents.
Then a couple of years back an illegal alien who now resides in Texas prison had his wife,who was a citizen buy a pistol at Carters that in turn was used to kill a Houston Police Officer and his wife,another police officer is or was suing Carters over this.
It's a no win deal for Carter.
His place sells to a buyer that passes the back ground check and then the buyer pays for the gun.
Typical business deal.
It ends up in the wrong hands after leaving his legit establishment and suddenly it's all his fault.
What will be interesting is when this thing gets investigated deeper because the attorney for Carters says Carters has more than cooperated with the ATF and the ATF says it never made any deals.
Let's see who's right here.
My bet is it's Carter.
I have spent a great deal of money there over the years and have shot countless rounds of ammo in the last 36 years at their firing range and this kind of reporting and bantering really gets my blood pressure up as Carters is a first class place of business.
First,Bill Carter has been more than vocal for his contempt with a lot of Washington D.C. politicians and a couple of past and present Presidents.
Then a couple of years back an illegal alien who now resides in Texas prison had his wife,who was a citizen buy a pistol at Carters that in turn was used to kill a Houston Police Officer and his wife,another police officer is or was suing Carters over this.
It's a no win deal for Carter.
His place sells to a buyer that passes the back ground check and then the buyer pays for the gun.
Typical business deal.
It ends up in the wrong hands after leaving his legit establishment and suddenly it's all his fault.
What will be interesting is when this thing gets investigated deeper because the attorney for Carters says Carters has more than cooperated with the ATF and the ATF says it never made any deals.
Let's see who's right here.
My bet is it's Carter.
I have spent a great deal of money there over the years and have shot countless rounds of ammo in the last 36 years at their firing range and this kind of reporting and bantering really gets my blood pressure up as Carters is a first class place of business.
UpTheIrons
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Houston dealers sell more guns that kill...
...in the same way that Houson Ford dealers sell more Fords that kill than the dealer in my little town.
Of course the bad guys are going to exploit the system. Are the dealers supposed to have some kind of ninja-voodoo-karma-clairvoyance that helps them see every time a straw buyer lies to them about a purchase?
I do find it interesting that this pops up again all of a sudden in another media blitz. Not just the WaPo, but also NBC and MSNBC have had stories in the last few days on this.
Hopefully any attempts at another ban will go nowhere in the new congress.
...in the same way that Houson Ford dealers sell more Fords that kill than the dealer in my little town.
Of course the bad guys are going to exploit the system. Are the dealers supposed to have some kind of ninja-voodoo-karma-clairvoyance that helps them see every time a straw buyer lies to them about a purchase?
I do find it interesting that this pops up again all of a sudden in another media blitz. Not just the WaPo, but also NBC and MSNBC have had stories in the last few days on this.
Hopefully any attempts at another ban will go nowhere in the new congress.
Bartholomew Roberts
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I think President Obama is just preparing the political battleground for his recess appointment of Andrew Travers as head of ATF. Travers will never get confirmed if it comes to a Senate vote, and since 2006, the appointment of the ATF head requires the advice and consent of the Senate.
The WaPo is just carrying water on this issue, trying to create a crisis where there is none.
The WaPo is just carrying water on this issue, trying to create a crisis where there is none.
molonlabe
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I think the article is here since I am researching this for a Public Health Doctor. (first post in a long time)
http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-denver/iron-river-of-guns-into-mexico-is-actually-a-trickle
http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-denver/iron-river-of-guns-into-mexico-is-actually-a-trickle
Hmmm, The Chinese sell select fire AKM type rifles brand new in the box with accessories on the international market for about $550 U.S. Dollars.
The Russians do the same with AK100 series rifles at about $750 U.S.
These are just AKM rifles, why would large organized cartels bother with US semi auto look alike sporting rifles that are priced at same or higher?
I know many actual hunting type weapons go into Mexico from the U.S. and are seized in raids but are rarely if ever actually used in Cartel gun violence.
I know small disorganized groups of Mexican criminals and vigilante groups do smuggle assault rifle look a like sporting weapons from the U.S. but the numbers are fairly small compared to the shear numbers of weapons the Cartels have acquired and actually drop after the perpetration of violent acts to prevent getting caught red handed with the proverbial smoking guns.
If America is to blame it is solely because of our civilians love for illicit drugs, we don't cause the violence that goes on in Mexico, that is their own house and they need to be the ones who get it in order before they go pointing fingers at others.
The Russians do the same with AK100 series rifles at about $750 U.S.
These are just AKM rifles, why would large organized cartels bother with US semi auto look alike sporting rifles that are priced at same or higher?
I know many actual hunting type weapons go into Mexico from the U.S. and are seized in raids but are rarely if ever actually used in Cartel gun violence.
I know small disorganized groups of Mexican criminals and vigilante groups do smuggle assault rifle look a like sporting weapons from the U.S. but the numbers are fairly small compared to the shear numbers of weapons the Cartels have acquired and actually drop after the perpetration of violent acts to prevent getting caught red handed with the proverbial smoking guns.
If America is to blame it is solely because of our civilians love for illicit drugs, we don't cause the violence that goes on in Mexico, that is their own house and they need to be the ones who get it in order before they go pointing fingers at others.
EOD Guy
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wally said:
That has always been the law. Dealers are not allowed to transfer firearms at gun shows outside the State in which they are licensed. They can take orders, but the firearms must be shipped from their licensed premises to a dealer in the other State. The only exception is that they can transfer C&R firearms to a licensee at the out-of-State gun show.
Jesse Heywood
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This is what the WaPo is pushing for.
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=6103
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=6103
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