Texas Vets no longer have to pay for CHL
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waterhouse
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It is the least they could do, glad to hear it.
Rev. DeadCorpse
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Free? Says "reduced 50%". Am I missing something?
thumper723
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No break for Active Duty?
sorry the HTML did not post it correctly
Here is the actual link
http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/80R/billtext/html/HB00233I.HTM
and yes it is for active duty too, forgot to mention that
Here is the actual link
http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/80R/billtext/html/HB00233I.HTM
and yes it is for active duty too, forgot to mention that
Rev. DeadCorpse
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Ok... that's better. I went looking on the TX webpage and couldn't find the Amended text. This Ritter Amendment passed then?
Good news... Too bad I'm moving to MN in June...
Good news... Too bad I'm moving to MN in June...
tuckerdog1
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Just renewed 2 months ago
So is this in effect now, or waiting for passage & signing?
Oops, Sept 07. Should have read the link 1st
Tuckerdog1
So is this in effect now, or waiting for passage & signing?
Oops, Sept 07. Should have read the link 1st
Tuckerdog1
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Go around gun bans
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Bills like this are actually extremely offensive (I can't believe I have to explain this but no one has pointed it out yet) because they treat government employees as a higher class of person, as a "super" person, as a privileged person within the kingdom . This kind of utter garbage legislation creates the dangerous type of inequality (most inequality is not dangerous and is everywhere).
The silver lining to this nauseating bill is that if Texans will get off their you-know-whats, we can use the momentum to get rid of the stupid and completely insulting fees that are still strapped to the backs of EVERYONE else (gee what a concept). Wait, we can't have THAT, because that would be upholding and restoring the 2nd amendment which was meant for more than JUST government employees
. This kind of utter garbage legislation creates the dangerous type of inequality (most inequality is not dangerous and is everywhere).The silver lining to this nauseating bill is that if Texans will get off their you-know-whats, we can use the momentum to get rid of the stupid and completely insulting fees that are still strapped to the backs of EVERYONE else (gee what a concept). Wait, we can't have THAT, because that would be upholding and restoring the 2nd amendment which was meant for more than JUST government employees
waterhouse
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No, they say thank you to people who served in the armed forces.
Government employed mail sorters get no such break for being government employees, nor do thousands of other government workers.
I will agree that the fees the rest of us have to pay to "exercise the right" to carry a gun in Texas are outrageous, but I will certainly not be offended that people who served (or are serving) in the armed services are getting a free (or 50% off) ride.
I take it that "Go around gun bans" had a little too much ... No ill stop there, that’s not THR.
Just because Veterans and active duty are getting a break, and your not, is no reason to say "Its not enough, make it free for everyone, or get rid of it altogether!!!"
Ever heard of incremental change? Its what the anti's have been doing to us all along, think of this a just a little recession of the tide, It will all go out eventually, just chill out a little.
and Yes, I am a Vet, and Texan by birth.
Morcoth
Just because Veterans and active duty are getting a break, and your not, is no reason to say "Its not enough, make it free for everyone, or get rid of it altogether!!!"
Ever heard of incremental change? Its what the anti's have been doing to us all along, think of this a just a little recession of the tide, It will all go out eventually, just chill out a little.
and Yes, I am a Vet, and Texan by birth.
Morcoth
Blackfork
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TSRA Lobbiest.
The TSRA folks, and SOME of the State Legislators and office holders, like Susan Coombs, Jerry Patterson, Bob Duell, Pete Sessions, are VERY aware of the fees and requirements of the Texas CHL and would love to get rid of every bit of it. It's a goal to move Texas to Vermont-style regulations. In other words, none and free, like the 2nd Amendment says. This is one of their steps. They cut the price when it was learned that the Texas Highway Patrol was overcharging and keeping the surplus (Program is required by LAW to be run AT COST, but the DPS was found out to be building up quite a profitable surplus which they didn't want to admit to or give up) The license period has been extended. Add-ons like this to cut, then waive, fees for soldiers, veterans, ex LEOs, over 60, are just part of the incremental process. There was a LOT of serious talk about filing a bill to make it a ONE-time license this time around. Get it once and you are done for life. That ought to be the MAXIMUM process. (How often are my fingerprints going to change? My photo is available in DL records.)
Join the TSRA. Don't be a freeloader.
The TSRA folks, and SOME of the State Legislators and office holders, like Susan Coombs, Jerry Patterson, Bob Duell, Pete Sessions, are VERY aware of the fees and requirements of the Texas CHL and would love to get rid of every bit of it. It's a goal to move Texas to Vermont-style regulations. In other words, none and free, like the 2nd Amendment says. This is one of their steps. They cut the price when it was learned that the Texas Highway Patrol was overcharging and keeping the surplus (Program is required by LAW to be run AT COST, but the DPS was found out to be building up quite a profitable surplus which they didn't want to admit to or give up) The license period has been extended. Add-ons like this to cut, then waive, fees for soldiers, veterans, ex LEOs, over 60, are just part of the incremental process. There was a LOT of serious talk about filing a bill to make it a ONE-time license this time around. Get it once and you are done for life. That ought to be the MAXIMUM process. (How often are my fingerprints going to change? My photo is available in DL records.)
Join the TSRA. Don't be a freeloader.
Elza
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Go around gun bans
So, you find it offensive to give a veteran a break? Perhaps this reflects your overall view regarding veterans in general. Tough (fill in the blank)!!!
And yes, I too, am a veteran.
So, you find it offensive to give a veteran a break? Perhaps this reflects your overall view regarding veterans in general. Tough (fill in the blank)!!!
And yes, I too, am a veteran.
Sistema1927
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"Go around gun bans",
Make sure not to shop at either Sportsman's Warehouse nor Lowes, since both of them offer discounts to active and retired military.
I take it that you don't qualify.
Make sure not to shop at either Sportsman's Warehouse nor Lowes, since both of them offer discounts to active and retired military.
I take it that you don't qualify.
TheLastBoyScout
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Veterans have earned anything they can get from the government.
Of course, thats just my opinion and I may be a little biased.
When you put it ALL on the line, you should rate a little more.
Of course, thats just my opinion and I may be a little biased.
When you put it ALL on the line, you should rate a little more.
The real purpose of a measure like this is to gain a foothold in the effort to eventually reduce the cost/expense for everybody. It's political strategy, and the way we CAN win this fight eventually.
Consider this: I believe that it's morally wrong I must pay the king's ransom to have a CHL to carry and be legal. I believe that act is no more different than the state sending a soldier or police officer to my house and taking money from my wallet or else they'll hurt or kill me.
You may not agree with that but that's how I feel.
Now if I go to the Texas Legislature with a proposal to get rid of CHLs entirely and go to Vermont style carry, it's not gonna fly in the current leftist soaked political climate.
On the other hand, if I start proposing a series of incremental measures that the public will buy, maybe just maybe I can eventually get what I want, or something pretty close to it at least. Now is it absolutely fair that based on employment some people get this break? No, but it does make CHLs more accessible to more people, and for that I applaud it.
Remember, we lost our rights to creeping incrementalism, and that's how can eventually get them back. Carve out one little foothold at a time.
Consider this: I believe that it's morally wrong I must pay the king's ransom to have a CHL to carry and be legal. I believe that act is no more different than the state sending a soldier or police officer to my house and taking money from my wallet or else they'll hurt or kill me.
You may not agree with that but that's how I feel.
Now if I go to the Texas Legislature with a proposal to get rid of CHLs entirely and go to Vermont style carry, it's not gonna fly in the current leftist soaked political climate.
On the other hand, if I start proposing a series of incremental measures that the public will buy, maybe just maybe I can eventually get what I want, or something pretty close to it at least. Now is it absolutely fair that based on employment some people get this break? No, but it does make CHLs more accessible to more people, and for that I applaud it.
Remember, we lost our rights to creeping incrementalism, and that's how can eventually get them back. Carve out one little foothold at a time.
Texas Vets and CHL
This bill is still in committee - it allows for a waiver of fees for AD, Guard and Reservists and those former military members who apply for CHL within 1 yr of discharge. I don't believe there is a permanent reduction in fees for Vets/Retirees. Looks like there is a 1 time fee reduction for former military. Personally I believe there are more important bills to be worked on. Yes I am a vet - 24 years USAF.
This bill is still in committee - it allows for a waiver of fees for AD, Guard and Reservists and those former military members who apply for CHL within 1 yr of discharge. I don't believe there is a permanent reduction in fees for Vets/Retirees. Looks like there is a 1 time fee reduction for former military. Personally I believe there are more important bills to be worked on. Yes I am a vet - 24 years USAF.
Flyboy
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Without minimizing the contributions and sacrifices our servicemen make on all of our behalves, I think the opposition to this sort of legislation stems from this:
As for
And, for the record, I'm not a veteran, but both of my parents are, and I have nothing but respect for those who choose to answer that calling.
Offering different fees to some people offends the "equal" part of that clause. On that principle--a principle with which I agree, I might add--tax discounts (let's face it, that's what the permit fee is) for senior citizens would also be offensive (ditto with discounted property taxes, as we have in Oklahoma for seniors).
As for
your analogy fails because both are private businesses, and free to do as they please, just as I'm free not to do business with them if I please. Try not doing business with the government, and see where it gets you.
And, for the record, I'm not a veteran, but both of my parents are, and I have nothing but respect for those who choose to answer that calling.
Blackfork
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More free stuff!
There is some precedent for this- all Texas active duty folks get a free hunting/fishing license. One of my Juniors who is now on the Army Marksmanship Unit got his at Walmart when he was home for just a few days and I took he and his dad hunting. They shot a couple of pigs. He was really happy to get the hunting license for free and got all the archery, fishing, blackpowder additions to it he could, just for the heck of it.
Good deal.
Seems like there is or was a bill to not require active duty military folks to have to qualify in the shooting part as well.
There is some precedent for this- all Texas active duty folks get a free hunting/fishing license. One of my Juniors who is now on the Army Marksmanship Unit got his at Walmart when he was home for just a few days and I took he and his dad hunting. They shot a couple of pigs. He was really happy to get the hunting license for free and got all the archery, fishing, blackpowder additions to it he could, just for the heck of it.
Good deal.
Seems like there is or was a bill to not require active duty military folks to have to qualify in the shooting part as well.
Art Eatman
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This is the one and only definitive comment I'll make about the validity of our military: Anybody born during the Cold War had better give thanks to our GIs for their service to this country. And for the leadership from Harry Truman onward.
Basically, that's from the end of WW II until the end of the USSR. What, 1991-ish? Anybody old enough to buy booze or vote, for sure.
Don't respond. I'll hard-delete it. I'm flat-out uninterested in the arguments of younguns.
Ya wanna squabble? Take it to PM or Email.
Art
Basically, that's from the end of WW II until the end of the USSR. What, 1991-ish? Anybody old enough to buy booze or vote, for sure.
Don't respond. I'll hard-delete it. I'm flat-out uninterested in the arguments of younguns.
Ya wanna squabble? Take it to PM or Email.
Art
Elza
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Don't get too shook up yet. As of today it is still in committee.
Last Action: 04/11/2007 S Referred to Veteran Affairs & Military Instal
See: http://www.legis.state.tx.us/Reports/Report.aspx?ID=author&LegSess=80R&Code=A4250
H.B. 233 about a quarter of the way down the page.
Last Action: 04/11/2007 S Referred to Veteran Affairs & Military Instal
See: http://www.legis.state.tx.us/Reports/Report.aspx?ID=author&LegSess=80R&Code=A4250
H.B. 233 about a quarter of the way down the page.
JerryM
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I like it, and think it is to show appreciation to those who have risked their lives, and made sacrifices to keep this nation free. Too many folks want the benefits without paying the cost.
Jerry
Jerry
okiebuckout
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Oklahoma has a stipulation like this. If you can show proof of pistol qualification while you served in the military, then you can be exempt from the range portion of the course. Although the range portion isn't that bad.
Am I losing it...?
...or has a whole lot of this thread been deleted since last night?
Darn, I had to check back in tonight to see what kind of rant
'Go around gun bans' was on, and it seems almost all his
stuff is gone.
Or was all that just a bad dream?
Walter
...or has a whole lot of this thread been deleted since last night?
Darn, I had to check back in tonight to see what kind of rant
'Go around gun bans' was on, and it seems almost all his
stuff is gone.
Or was all that just a bad dream?
Walter
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