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That PLR-16 is tempting. I'd like to get one just for fun and see what it's like.

Regarding reloads: The probability of Joe Public CC'er needing to reload is somewhere between slim and none and a second gun will always be faster than a reload.
 
I know folks who carry premium SD loads in the gun, but keep a speed strip or two of shot, or wadcutters/semi-wadcutters in the truck or pack for varmint/pest use. I've got speed strips loaded with .38 SWCHPs in the truck and scattered around the house. The nice thing with this set up is that, unlike with speed loaders, the speed strip can reload my little bodyguard J frame or any of my K frames equally well. With .38s only on them I need not worry whether it's a .357 Mag or .38 Spl I'm trying to reload. I'll probably never need them, but it's nice to know they're available.
 
FireCaptDave: Regarding speedloaders: I use Bianchi speed strips and Model F Jet-Loaders for my 642. Both work very well for their given mission.
 
442 product code 102810

Does anyone know if this version is rated for +P, or is it an older one. Thanks,

flc
 
The scenario with me needing more than five rounds scares the h*** out of me and I hope that I never need the five that are in my 642 right now. But, with that being said, it sure does give me a warm, fuzzy feeling knowing that I have an extra six rounds in my speed strip that takes up hardly any space just in case I need them.

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"Phydeaux, bad dog.....no biscuit!":what:
 
flc - P Code 102810 lists a 442, J-frame, 1 7/8", DAO, with a few finish and sight options manufactured from 1993 to 2001. This code encompass several models and you need more information. Here's the E&P changes:

442 no dash, 1993-1996, not rated +P

442-1, 1996-2001 J mag frame, rated +P

442-2, 2001 to date, Internal lock, rated +P

You can find the dash model inside the frame left side with the cylinder open.

source SCSW 3rd.
 
DAdams said:
Auto Phase.
Everyone goes through phases either before or after the acquisition of the 642. Your life shall be defined as either B642 or A642. There were times prior to the acquisition, ie. B642 where enlightenment or 642 nirvana had not been attained. There are those who might temporarily slip, and fall from grace A642. Those are then ones we need to counsel and talk down, and work towards a return to center. Perhaps good therapy would be the acquisition of a 442.

Let's get this semi-auto business out of our system. Post em up and be done with it. Or we can go over to the Auto section and start a 642 owners auto thread.

Jt, I will never be qualified to be anyones moral compass and PC be damned.

Bravo, DA! You are definitely the man for the job, and I hereby promote you to Master Sergeant at Arms.
 
jt1 -

Thanks, I think I found a new unfired one. Don't know the dash yet, probably a no dash. The photo makes it difficult to tell which it is. I think I'm going to go with it, if it's still available, regardless. I'll just have to switch from Speer 135SB +P to something like Buff Bore. If I get it my dash 2 will go to a gun show. I'm one of the few people that have actually witnessed a S&W IL freeze up a gun:what:. I currently have a 640-1, a 64 NY1 DAO, a 696 no dash, and a 629 Mtn Gun, all without the IL. My 442-2 is my only IL smith and, since it is the most carried of them all, I would prefer to not have the IL.

flc
 
The decision to have a j-frame as a CCW was one we all made for more or less the same reason. We chose to forgo a major caliber, hi cap, big, heavy, sometimes left behind auto for a lesser caliber, low cap, small, light, always with us revolver. There are the reliability, training, and maintenance issues, but it is the size, weight, and ease of concealment that really made the difference.

The Caliber deficiency can be largely mitigated by proper ammo selection and shot placement. This leaves only the capacity issue to resolve. Most of us will never be able to reload a revolver with the speed of an auto, but you can become quite proficient with practice and at this point I don't feel handicapped to such a degree that I did when I first started with this gun.

My current carry is five rounds loaded, four rounds in a speed strip for a "combat reload" and six rounds in a speed strip for back-up. I see no reason not to carry at least this amount as the speed strips carry so well. If I need more than five rounds, I feel I am currently prepared mentally, physically and logistically to deal with it.

Hopefully, no 642'ers will ever need even one round, but if you do need more I see no reason not to have them available.

DA - Congrats on you promotion. MSAE (Master Sergeant at Arms Extraordinaire)

flc - The BB 158 std. pressure (C) is an awesome round. I would not feel sorry for myself at all if that's all I had.
We are most interested in the IL failure, can you give us a ALL the details please?
 
Bottom Feeders

OK, I'm gonna get this out of my system. I'm going to use my "1 bottom feeder post" privilege. I'm also going to post an "informational" picture of the size difference between a 642 and a Sig P239 SAS 9mm - one of my other CCWs.
I also wanted to ask a question about insuring your guns. I'm probably going to post it on the open forum to get more responses.
I spent yesturday taking pictures of all of my guns. I wrote the model and serial# on a 3x5 card and tooks pictures of both sides of the gun with the 3x5 card in it. I did it for proof of ownership and condition of my guns in case anything should happen to them. I also took pictures of my safe - both open and closed.
I was talking to a guy that I met in a gun shop and he told me a story of a fire that completely destroyed his house. His safe was fire rated, but not for a long enough period of time. He lives in rural PA and the response time of the volunteer fire company wasn't short enough to save his house or guns.
This conversation was an eye opener to me. I don't live in a rural part of PA and my volunteer fire co. is about 1 mile from my house. I've located my safe in a back corner of my basement (split level type basement with cinder block walls) with the idea of if I did have a fire, that corner would be the coolest part of the fire if the floors collapsed into the basement.
My question to you is, do you have an additional rider on your home owners insurance for your guns and at what point (value of your gun collection) did you decide to add one. (Sorry this was so long winded!)

Ok - here are my bottom feeders that spend time with my Wheelies

Sigs

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Others

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This is my 642 over my Sig P239 SAS. The CTs on my 642 are the LG-305s which have the longer grip.

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flc - The BB 158 std. pressure (C) is an awesome round. I would not feel sorry for myself at all if that's all I had.
We are most interested in the IL failure, can you give us a ALL the details please?

First, I need to qualify this. I have owned and fired thousands of rounds through S&W IL equipped revolvers and I have never had a failure.

A couple of years ago I was at a range firing handguns and sighting in a .22LR w/scope. A fellow next to me was shooting, as I recall, a 637 that he had recently purchased. There were several people there including (luckily) a gunsmith who supervised the range part time. The person next to me had the Smith freeze with the hammer back and he could not get it to shoot. The gunsmith spent about 30 minutes and got the revolver dissassembled (after immobilizing the hammer with a plastic strap). Once dissassembled, he had everything back to normal. His comment was that he would never own a IL equipped Smith. I don't know whether the part tolerances were out of whack, or what. But I do know that from that time on I have had nagging doubts about trusting my life to an IL equipped handgun. I began then to search for pre-lock, unfired, versions of the Smiths I owned. I first replaced a 696 with a NIB no-dash, then found (after about a year) a NIB 629 Mountain Gun. My 640-1 was purchased long before the IL's. Because I like the 442 so much I have been searching for one of them. I have found a couple of new or like new 642s but really prefer the look of the 442.

BTW, as 1BLINDREF knows, my 442, while almost always carried, is still usually just backup to a SIG 239 or 220 in urban carry. In the woods, it's the Mtn Gun, 696, or 640-1 all the way.

I, also, am a Speed Strip user for the 442 and 640-1.
 
A gunsmith can fix your internal lock problem within five minutes. Why not just take a dremmel tool yourself and remove the internal lock nub...take you all of 10 minutes and then you will never have to worry about it again.
 
I've thought about it. In fact I did that on one for my bro-in-law. Just prefer to not have the "zit".
 
1BLINDREF - After you talk to your insurance agent, call your doctor. I have heard they now have treatments for "autosysyndrome :neener:". Really, thats a very, very nice collection. Whats the weight of the P239?

flc - Thanks for relating the IL event. I really think that DawgFvr has the right idea. The side pins don't really bother me, and the lock won't be giving me any trouble either. Hope you find what you are looking for. BTW, how did the fishing trip go?
 
Newbie Wannabie of 642!!!!

Thanks to Mavracer and Glockman19 for pointing me to the correct thread. I have started reading the many pages of posts and find it like a good book...just can't stop. This was my post in error to a more general area. I look forward to reading and learning and if Massachusetts doesn't make new laws this hour.....maybe even getting my permit soon. Arrrrgggghhhhhh!

Well, it is wonderful to see such a love for the S&W 642. I stumbled upon this forum just about a week ago. I am actually a newbie wannabie. I'm still waiting for my permit.

Here's my quick story.
I live in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, (no jokes please I live here and I know all it's problems and soon demise of this strange land). I finally got my head screwed on right and applied for my License to Carry, Class A permit. I have been doing much research on guns while I wait and wait and wait for the regulatory paperwork to finally slow down that they'll acutally send me my permit. I have settled on purchasing the 642 with Crimson Trace Laser Grips the LG-405 model (shorter grip). I plan to carry daily. I'd like to gather as much data as I can to be best informed when I finally get to hold my first gun.

Here are my FIRST Questions.
1.) What is the best ammo for practice rounds?
2.) What is the best ammo for carry?
3.) Can someone please explain what is involved in cleaning and maintaining a 642? How often? etc.
4.) Best Carry method. I have a slim build, 147 lb.s 5' 8". What do you all think of Smart Carry?

O.k. .....that's enought for now. I look forward to hearing from everyone. Waiting is hard enough! I applied June 6th.

Thanks,
familyman
 
familyman2

I shoot Fiocchi for practice because it is real reasonably priced, and I carry Federal Hydra Shock 110g Personal Defense rounds or Hornady 125g JHP's. I know, they are not +p, but I have heard good things about each.
I also use the Smartcarry for concealed carry and it works very well for the 642.
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"Phydeaux, bad dog....no biscuit."
 
Whats the weight of the P239?
25 oz. I carry it in a Smarty Carry when I'm wearing soccer type shorts or OWB in an Alessi holster. It's a single stack mag and carrys nicely. For its size, its a real tack driver. As you can tell, I'm into Sigs. I carry a P229 .40S&W DAK in the colder months OWB in a Galco holster.
FWIW - I carry my 642 every day at work in an ankle holster.
 
familyman2,

Welcome to the 642 Club. Glad you followed the link. As I mentined before I carry both the 442 & 642. I use CCI Blazer Brass & Speer Lawman +P in 158 grain for practicein addition to the CCI 125 grain. I use Federal Hydra Shok 110 grain for SD/HD others have found the Speer Gold Dot to be a great round too.

Again Welcome.
 
flc - Thanks for relating .............. BTW, how did the fishing trip go?

jt1 - the trip was great. Caught some trout on a little used flyrod and I got to spend a lot of time with my 16 yr old grandson. We live in different areas of the state but I'm trying to be around him more. His Dad was diagnosed with cancer late last year and was dead by Feb. In fact, we are selling our retirement lake home to move back to the city where the rest of the family lives.

On a side note about the trip....the first night in camp three large bears came through the campground, huffing, snorting and growling. My grandson never heard them but I didn't get much sleep. My bird dog was in the tent with us and all you could hear from him was heavy breathing. I used to live in Colorado so I know Bears, but it's different when a grandkid is along. I'm just glad my little granddaughter wasn't there. She would have been calling them to pet them. Ever since the tree huggers in Colorado got the baiting of bear discontinued the bear problem there has gotten worse.
 
F'man, welcome in. Glad to read of another enthusiastic 642-head. You'll get lots of responses here to your questions, and even more as you read through the tome called "The 642 Club".

B'ref said:
Ok - here are my bottom feeders that spend time with my Wheelies
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My eyes!
My eyes! I'm blinded! I can't see!

:evil: :D :p

Only kidding. Pretty collection, even if they are bottom feeders. ;)

Flc, welcome back. Very glad to hear that your camping trip went well, and that you weren't eaten.

I don't mean to start a wildlife management war of words here - this ain't the place to do it. There are several other current threads on THR devoted to "bear" issues where such things are being discussed. Here's one that both MassMark and I participated in.

However, with all due respect, as a professional biologist and ecologist who's spent a LOT of time backpacking in bear country, and who even knows and respects a few "tree huggers" (at least two of whom are serious gun owners that wouldn't hesitate to shoot an attacking bear ... or an attacking human, for that matter), I've gotta call foul on one point.

Ever since the tree huggers in Colorado got the baiting of bear discontinued the bear problem there has gotten worse.
Please don't oversimplify that very complex issue by blaming the only "tree huggers".

"Bear problems" are complex with many interlinked factors, all of which are equally important, and involve not only ignorant people - including non-"tree hugging" city campers - that want to feed the bears OR don't understand the importance of keeping food secured in camps, AND reduced habitat space for bears due to encroachment by people wanting vacation homes near the forests, AND wildlife management issues, including economic ones, that have little to nothing to do with "tree huggers" or environmentalists, AND ... the list goes on.

<We now return you to discussion of 642, which is inadequate for bear protection anyway, already in progress ...>

Nem
 
Nem,
You are correct. My statement was a over-simplification of the facts. I'm working my way through the thread about bear and it is very interesting. I, of course, am not a Biologist - just a guy that has hiked, backpacked, hunted and fished all over the southern half of Colorado for the past 35+ years. As a result, I'm fairly familiar with bear and lion behavior and am not frightened of them. I did have a different feeling because my grandson was along. I lived in Colorado when various groups changed the hunting requirements for bear. Since then, the bear population has jumped and the bear seemingly are less frightened of humans. There has been lots of info on this, including a TV special about the bear coming into Trinidad, CO neighborhoods to an extent that the police spent a large amount of their time just herding them back out of town.

The night they were in camp there was no food near tents and I watched them for about 20 minutes from my tent as they just strolled around the campground checking it out. They had absolutely no fear of anyone there.

Now I going back to reading the other thread and leave this one to the x42 talk. Hopefully, I'll find out tomorrow about the one I'm trying to buy.

Also, got a contract on my house today so I'll be spending a lot more time with the grandkids.

Regards,
flc
 
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Here are my FIRST Questions.
1.) What is the best ammo for practice rounds?
2.) What is the best ammo for carry?
3.) Can someone please explain what is involved in cleaning and maintaining a 642? How often? etc.
4.) Best Carry method. I have a slim build, 147 lb.s 5' 8". What do you all think of Smart Carry?
EDITED TO ADD: Hmmm, my quote buttons (and all other icons) aren't working ... please PM me suggestions for fixing.

Welcome to The 642 Club!

As for your questions:

1. I used to practice a lot with either Wallie World White Box 130 grain FMJ or Remington RNL 158 grain rounds. Now that I reload, I shoot either light 148 grain wadcutter loads or non +P 158 grain RNLs. Eventually I'll work up a +P recipee with 135 grain bullets to duplicate the Speer Gold Dot 135 grain +P hollowpoint, my chosen carry round (though I may switch to Buffalo Bore's non +P 158 grain round one day.)

2. Speer Gold Dot 135 grain +P jacketted hollowpoint. Recoil isn't much worse than standard pressure (to me anyway) and there is very little muzzle flash.

3. First, check several times to make sure the gun is unloaded and that there is NO ammo in sight.

I clean my 642 after every range trip. I also give it a 10 minute quick cleaning every few weeks to remove lint build up from pocket carrying it. The painted aluminum surfaces of the 642 can be sensitive to some solvents, so stay away from any foaming bore cleaner. Hoppes #9 and Breakfree CLP work great, especially if you spray the Breakfree down the bore and in the chambers and let it soak for 30 minutes.

I then scrub out the chambers and bore with a brass bore brush. I sometimes use a bore brush sized for 40 S&W to clean each chamber to remove any heavy residue buildup. The cylinder face (and ONLY the cylinder face) then gets scrubbed really good with Hoppes #9 using a stainless steel brush. I use a nylon brush everywhere else.

I also like to use a lead-away cloth on the cylinder face to remove the stubborn "ring around the charge holes".

Finally, I swab Hoppes soaked patches down the bore and chambers until they come out clean. I run a dry patch through them, then add just a tiny bit of cleaning oil to prevent corrosion. Wipe the whole gun down with a silicone rag and I'm done in 30 minutes.

4). I carry my 642 in a Robert Mika round-cut pocket holster. This setup works extremely well for me. Sometimes I use an el-cheapo Uncle Mikes IWB clip on holster that also works well. I have no experience with the Smart Carry, but have heard a lot of positive comments about them.

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For those concerned about needing more than the five shots of available in the x42, it is always a possibility. A very remote one, however. Most encounters involve exactly 0 shots fired. The best kind, for sure. Anything can happen, of course. But if we planned for "anything", we'd all be carrying AKs or Mossie 500 Tacticals around, at a bare minimum. I'd prefer an A-10 myself :evil:!

The best we can do is perform a threat assessment of where we live, work, and most frequent to determine the most realistic and likely threat and plan accordingly. I live in a very safe area. The most realistic threat I face are being jumped by 1 or 2 muggers or carjackers, typically armed with knives, or a maybe a gun. Anything worse than that, and I'd be moving. For me, the best carry option is the 642. It gets carried everywhere I legally can, it is simple to operate, lightweight, super reliable, quite accurate, points well, is very easy to draw, and possesses good stopping power with proper ammo. As for reloading, I do reasonably well using HKS speedloaders, though not as quick as my 1911 or even my 686+ (which I can actually load faster than the 1911, probably due to greater familiarity with the 686). I know, I probably won't need them. So it is a comfort thing I guess.

BTW, when at the range, I load my 642 and 686 exclusively with speedloaders. Sure, it's not as simple as dropping fresh rounds into the chamber, but I get lots of good practice time in.

I will carry my 1911 some in the winter. Not for the extra capacity (a whole 3 rounds) or slightly quicker reloads, but for the greater pointability and stability of the larger, heftier 1911 platform in my hands.

BTW, there's that saying about not bringing a knife to a gunfight, but facing even a single attacker at close range armed with a knife is definitely no joke. The 21 foot rule is a scary, but true thing.

Hopefully, no one here will ever have to deploy their 642 in for anything other than practice.
 
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