The Citizen's Rifle

[Nolo]

A while back I came up with a concept for a rifle/carbine that would be specifically designed to arm the people of a nation in combat. Certain requirements I laid out were:
-Be able to survive multiple weapons bans.
-Be semi-automatic (as if I were to make the rifle a bolty, thus increasing resistance to bans, I'd basically end up with the Mosin-Nagant or Enfield).
-Be chambered in a round that provides acceptable power in a semi-auto platform (later modified to: be chambered in 7.62 NATO).
-Have a ten-round detachable box magazine, with provisions for magwell modifications to suit caliber, mission and firearm bans (for instance, must be convertible to 7.62x39, 5.56, 7.62 NATO, 6.8 SPC, 6.5 Grendel, .280 Orion; must be able to be modified for a fixed magazine).
-Must have no flash hider/muzzle brake.
-Must have a full-length wooden stock.
-Must look as non-threatening as possible.
-Be made using stamped parts/modern construction techniques.
-Have a replaceable trigger group compatible with a full auto group.

And this is what I came up with:


What do you guys think?

 

[darkknight]

reminds me of an fn fal sks and M1a mixed together.

 

[MD_Willington]

Looks like a mini FN49?

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=FN49&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2

 

[Anteater1717]

Looks kinda like a VZ-52

 

[Nolo]

It's a lot of things mixed together. The idea originally came about when looking at the FN49 rifle. I even took that design "full-term" (my term for when I fully draw and shade something). Here's the picture:

I then came up with the idea for the "citizen's rifle" or "militia carbine", designed specifically to give as much firepower as possible to citizens of a firearm-ban happy country. The next design took pages from the SKS, FN49, AK, Garand and other weapons. That design did not satisfy me either in looks or the actual product; it was too complicated to create. Then I found the wonderful Vz. 52 rifle. That rifle formed, by in large, the basis for this carbine, and many, many features are taken from it.

 

[Nolo]

Right on the money, Anteater!

 

[Chipperman]

Looks like a French MAS-49

http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl10-e.htm


edit: you posted the second one while I was posting my reply. The frist one looks like the MAS.

 

[jmr40]

The AAR (Appalachian Assault Rifle), better know as a Marlin 30-30 has served in that role for years and meets most of your criteria.

All kidding aside, the second drawing reminds me of a Ruger mini-30, which could also meet most of your criteria.

 

[Nolo]

I suppose it does, kind of.
I never even considered the MAS 49.
The second drawing is far, far larger than the Mini-30, and that rifle does not fire a full-power round, has been singled out multiple times in AWBs, etc, etc.

 

[Vicious-Peanut]

I think the Mini-30 is a good choice, but it doesnt fire a full power round, but it isnt a poodle shooter either. 10 rounds mags are cheap, and 20-30s are available for us who live in free states. It looks PC, and its stone dead reliable.

 

[Nolo]

The Mini-30 was one of the rifles I referenced when making this gun. The reason I did not just go for the Mini-30 is because of its smaller cartridge (I wanted true rifle cartridge [i.e., 7.62x51mm NATO], with the option to use 7.62x39 [which is not experiencing the availability issues of the NATO]), and its bad PC history (the current rifles are plenty PC, but the old ones have established a history as an "Assault Weapon").

 

[Vityaz]

How about a California legal M1A?

 

[Deer Hunter]

Instead of planning our rifles we could have if another AW ban is put into play, we should be fighting tooth-and-nail against whatever ban the antis would try to throw at us.

 

[Wheeler44]

Real similar to a AG42B, the "Swede Garand" and parent of the Hakim rifle.

 

[Nolo]

Hmmm...
I suppose the Cali-Legal M1A would be a good choice, but ain't they rather expensive? Machined receivers and such. I'm looking at being able to crank these bad boys out for little more than a WASR-10.
Also, the M1A does not have the modularity of this weapon, and I believe is quite heavier.
The Ljungmann rifle was one of the rifles specifically referenced in the design of this weapon.
Deer Hunter: I do both.

 

[CBS220]

To reduce costs, perhaps remove that curvature on the bottom of the buttstock? It may have some ergonomic benefits, but for a rifle meant to arm the citizenry, economy is more important up to a point. Seems as if the less woodwork needed, the better...

 

[Nolo]

Are you talkin' about the curve at the bottom of the buttplate?
Yeah, I could do that, it'd be worth it.
Looked nicer that way, though.
I forgot to mention the buttplate! The buttplate is made of heavy brass or steel, perfect for smashin' tyrants upside the head.

 

[CBS220]

I think I misspoke, Nolo. Perhaps this will show you what I meant?



I admit it looks better with the curve, but that seems like patriots could sacrifice aesthetics for economy

 

[Hoppy590]

sure looks like a number of guns

FN 49
MAS 59
Lungman
G43
VZ52

 

[Nolo]

CBS220, you're looking at the wrong rifle.
The first rifle is the rifle in question here. The second was an earlier design that was much more heavily influenced by the FN49. In fact, it pretty much is an FN49.
The newer design is the one in my first post, it's a lot smaller and lighter, and also has much simpler wood construction, though it still has that feature.
Hoppy, all of those rifles were referenced in the design of the Lynx.
Oh, I completely forgot to mention!
The weapon (the first one, not the one with big honkin' 20-rounder mag) is called the Lynx Battle Carbine.
The second one was called the "Forty-Niner" Rifle (in reference to the FN49), but I consider it to be obsolete as far as the requirements are concerned.

 

[CBS220]

Ah, I see.

However, the point still seems valid, I think. Russia couldn't have made what- 34 million Mosin Nagants? given extra work for each rifle.

 

[Heavy Metal Hero]

-Have a ten-round detachable box magazine, with provisions for magwell modifications to suit caliber, mission and firearm bans (for instance, must be convertible to 7.62x39; must be able to be modified for a fixed magazine).

How would it be protected from a CA ban? They only allow 5 rounds IIRC.

 

[Atla]

I see no point to it.

Sorry.

If you look at the more recent AWBII that has been considered, it bans a lot of guns BY NAME.

Nothing is ban proof.

Doesn't matter if it's the caliber, the looks, or the color. It can be banned because it is a firearm and a threat to liberals.

 

[Nolo]

How would it be protected from a CA ban? They only allow 5 rounds IIRC.

By shipping with the fixed five round mags. The weapons could still be produced with almost no tooling changes, as the weapon was designed from the outset to have a modular magwell for just such an occurrence.

However, the point still seems valid, I think. Russia couldn't have made what- 34 million Mosin Nagants? given extra work for each rifle.

Certainly. I'll think about a straight (what to they call that? English-style?) stock. Maybe Enfield-style or something.

 

[Nolo]

Alta, I realize that.
But it's only sacrificed a piece of paper and a lot of my expendable time, so it's not a big deal.
A good concept, I think, though. Nothing is ban-proof. This is supposed to be ban-resistant. And capable to boot.