The Citizen's Rifle
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Nolo
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SKS, like the Mini-30, has the history of an "evil assault weapon". And it (at least the Yugo versions, not that anti-gunnies can tell the difference) has a grenade launcher. Big no-no.
Nolo
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Sort of.
They're supposed to be able to be produced by a legitimate firearms company still operating under multiple firearms bans. They are meant to be able to be legally owned by the majority of the populace pre-conflict, then handed out to militias post conflict. That is why they have characteristics of modern weapons (modularity, advanced construction techniques) under the guise of an old-school gun.
Nolo
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Don't you remember 1994-2004?
That sort of thing could come up again, should the government go even more downhill.
I'm all for trying to prevent that from happening. But I would like to prevent the militia fighting against the oppressive government relying on SKSs and Mosin-Nagants, both of which use imported ammo and parts.
RancidSumo
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Move the rear sights as far back as you can to improve accuracy.
Nolo
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Already did, it has a removable receiver cover.
Nolo
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Alta, I did not mean for this to be offensive or aggressive, I meant it exactly as it is written. But thanks for the complement anyway. I have a lot of free time.
Vaarok, you've basically got the exact concept down. I doubt there's any tooling for that rifle left, though.
The SKS was originally the rifle that I would have relied upon. I looked at it again, and found that bayonet and GL are major downsides (for this purpose, anyway) and that the rifle is in stationary (not being produced anymore) quantities, as well as being an import also hurt the purpose.
And I like 7.62 NATO better, anyway.
You guys must be smoking crack. I swear, some people will try to rationalize and find logic in weapons bans that the socialist left tries to shove up your narrow asses, like they give a damn. Our stance as gun owners should be "NO F-ING WAY!" Because if not, you can forget about some limp-wristed "non-threatening", non-fat, no-whip, soy milt, wooden stock Fud rifle, just as much as you can kiss your AKs or ARs goodbye. You must be demented if you think that if the type of rifle you guys are proposing was the only one left, that Clintons or Obamas won't try to go after them as well.
To the socialists, all guns are threatening when they're in the hands of the average citizens.
To the socialists, all guns are bad enough to be banned.
Nolo
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Tell, me Trempel, do you own a bolt-action weapon in .22LR?
Because that's exactly the kind of gun that Aussies are allowed, and they have "caved" to these bans.
(By the way, if you don't, shame on you; how will you train new shooters?)
It's not about complying, it's about being able to retain your factories and tooling when the SHTF, which I expect to come (if it does) around the period when semi-autos would be banned (not because of that ban, but because of the sort of authoritarianism that such a government would need to have to impose one on the American citizenry).
One feature I did not mention was that I wanted the trigger group to be easily replaceable, so that a fully automatic group could be installed.
Is that compliance, Trempel?
The modularity is what makes this rifle potent even after multiple bans.
And I definitely would want 30-round mags.
And to prove I'm not compliant, here's some other pics:
EDIT: I removed the pictures because this thread is about the rifle in the first post.
I assure you, this is the only weapon of it's kind in my portfolio.
Because that's exactly the kind of gun that Aussies are allowed, and they have "caved" to these bans.
(By the way, if you don't, shame on you; how will you train new shooters?)
It's not about complying, it's about being able to retain your factories and tooling when the SHTF, which I expect to come (if it does) around the period when semi-autos would be banned (not because of that ban, but because of the sort of authoritarianism that such a government would need to have to impose one on the American citizenry).
One feature I did not mention was that I wanted the trigger group to be easily replaceable, so that a fully automatic group could be installed.
Is that compliance, Trempel?
The modularity is what makes this rifle potent even after multiple bans.
And I definitely would want 30-round mags.
And to prove I'm not compliant, here's some other pics:
EDIT: I removed the pictures because this thread is about the rifle in the first post.
I assure you, this is the only weapon of it's kind in my portfolio.
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I think an American-made SKS in 6.5/6.8 with no bayonet/grenade launcher, in the compact range of the Chinese version, and with a rear peep-sight like the Tech-sight, would be a hell of a deal. No magazines needed, 50-state legal, good sights, versatile cartridge, and reliable/durable.
W.E.G.
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Just make mine a FAL, and we'll not elect any ninconpoop politician who would threaten our rights.
You want a proper solution, not an appeasement.
Nice drawings.
You want a proper solution, not an appeasement.
Nice drawings.
RedLion
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You'd have to make it a non-military caliber since a lot of countries have banned that, and 'modified to accept fixed magazines' or anything else that can be converted to fit the ban means nothing. They'll just say something along the lines of "once a ..... always a .....".
A metal stock like an FAL folder or M3 stock would be easier to manufacture than a wood stock. You could integrate the grip into the wire stock.
And why no bolt for it? An Enfield can keep pace with any semi-auto battlerifle, and is a lot simpler and more reliable. You could just modernize the Enfield. Maybe a more modern cartridge or lighter or something.
But......, I'm kinda under the belief that no gun is safe. And when the time comes to hide your guns, its a better time to take your guns out.
A metal stock like an FAL folder or M3 stock would be easier to manufacture than a wood stock. You could integrate the grip into the wire stock.
And why no bolt for it? An Enfield can keep pace with any semi-auto battlerifle, and is a lot simpler and more reliable. You could just modernize the Enfield. Maybe a more modern cartridge or lighter or something.
But......, I'm kinda under the belief that no gun is safe. And when the time comes to hide your guns, its a better time to take your guns out.
SMLE
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How about a full-auto M16/M4 and we kick the banner's @$$es out of OUR country on the points of our bayonets. Then this would all be a moot point.
The time spent on these drawings would have been better spent writing letters, making phone calls and lobbying your elected representatives. Or Organizing and motivating your friends and neighbors to do the the same.
The people we are dealing with won't be appeased. No gun you could ever design would be OK by their standards as long as it was in the hands of one of us peasants. So if you must design rifles, design them for VICTORY, not appeasement.
The time spent on these drawings would have been better spent writing letters, making phone calls and lobbying your elected representatives. Or Organizing and motivating your friends and neighbors to do the the same.
The people we are dealing with won't be appeased. No gun you could ever design would be OK by their standards as long as it was in the hands of one of us peasants. So if you must design rifles, design them for VICTORY, not appeasement.
Nolo
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That is if they don't fix the election with electronic voting machines.
Welcome to the Ishapore. No innovation there. The Ishy fills its role, this weapon fills a slightly different one. If you've let them ban large caliber bolties, you've let them go too far. Wayyy too far.
armoredman
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Sorry, have no idea what happened with that post. Edit to say, the SKS seems to bethe perfect "civilian" rifle at this point, simple, rugged, durable, and inexpensive, still.
Now the Saiga has a lot going for it, as well. A Saiga in 308 may be a perfect anwser to this question.
Now the Saiga has a lot going for it, as well. A Saiga in 308 may be a perfect anwser to this question.
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Nolo
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What?
Acheron
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On the rifle designs I would recommend beefing up the stocks a bit. They look a little thin in the grip area and are likely break in melee combat. This was a big issue for the Germans with the StG44, as the stocks would snap clean off if you hit anything with it. I would add a bayo lug onto it as well (even though a bayo lug is more likely to be banned).
Firstly I'd like to comment on Nolos drawings, I saw alot of good ideas in the last drawings of shorties + select fires, some of which I know I wouldn't mind having.
The original 'Citizens Rifle' is a noble one, we need more people like Nolo to project these ideas forward but more importantly to impliment them. I will always praise new arms and ammo, and as a fellow THR'er sig reads "If it goes bang, Its alright in my book" (I hope it got that right).
Oddly enough the real issue here has been brought to the surface by a few recent posts,
I'm sorry to quote so many, And yet I'm not so sorry, as the Many MUST reflect these ideals if we are to preserve our lives as we know it as law-abiding gunners. IMO The current state of gun rights is in peril, a state that it shouldn't be in. As a young shooter, enthusiast and proud owner of firearms and liberty thereof, I worry for Americas future.. the peoples future (just look at the patriot act,omgosh).
My only regret is simply not being articulate enough to express the importance and relevance of such an essential liberty.
I hope this makes sense, If I am proud of any aspect of my country, It is our rights.. and it is gun rights, The right to "keep and bear arms" that always makes me proud to be an American.
The original 'Citizens Rifle' is a noble one, we need more people like Nolo to project these ideas forward but more importantly to impliment them. I will always praise new arms and ammo, and as a fellow THR'er sig reads "If it goes bang, Its alright in my book" (I hope it got that right).
Oddly enough the real issue here has been brought to the surface by a few recent posts,
I'm sorry to quote so many, And yet I'm not so sorry, as the Many MUST reflect these ideals if we are to preserve our lives as we know it as law-abiding gunners. IMO The current state of gun rights is in peril, a state that it shouldn't be in. As a young shooter, enthusiast and proud owner of firearms and liberty thereof, I worry for Americas future.. the peoples future (just look at the patriot act,omgosh).
My only regret is simply not being articulate enough to express the importance and relevance of such an essential liberty.
I hope this makes sense, If I am proud of any aspect of my country, It is our rights.. and it is gun rights, The right to "keep and bear arms" that always makes me proud to be an American.
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