lloydkristmas
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I will never ever carry pepper spray. If I feel threatened, I shoot. Simple as that. God I love Texas.
Um....by that logic, you should dump any vehicle...since vehicle transitions are a prime time for assaults...and you should never go into a liquor store...or use an ATM...or even leave your house...
Please. The underlying reason for this situation was that the OP failed to keep a supply of extra fuel for the vehicle or fuel it up soon enough to avoid visiting an unknown fueling station . THAT would have prevented his having to visit a place late at night in a bad area, where he was unfamiliar with the layout. Nothing about his vehicle makes him more or less prone to bad situations.
Having said that, a jerry can or two of extra fuel for this kind of situation would be a good investment. If the longevity of stored fuel is an issue, then when you go to fuel up, pour the can into the tank and fill the can...as often as needed to keep the supply fresh. Simple, easy, and lets you use your preferred fuel stop and/or have an emergency reserve in case of SHTF, etc...
ETA: If it's natural gas or some other sort of difficult to store fuel, then you just need to make a habit of fueling up more frequently.
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When you agree to a CHL, you agree to a higher standard of conduct. Under that higher standard, a "small mistake" is no longer acceptable.
Really? I must have missed that in the statutes.
fight it for principle. Just because you have a CCW doesn't mean you can't flip people off. From my understanding of the law flipping someone off is not a crime. Neither is telling a cop that his or her mother is a bucket for sailors. I am not saying you should do either of those though.
Personally, I used to flip people off all the time for doing stupid crap (South Florida=terrible northern drivers or illegal immigrants). Did it mean I was going to go on a shooting spree? Hell no. For anyone to suggest such is ludicrous. I stopped flipping people off mainly because I normally have my kids in the car with me and I figure they will learn how to do it soon enough with me helping them.
It never ceases to amaze me when I read these types of posts. You didn't need to stop for gas but you did even though it was an area of town you wouldn't normally go to.
You knew it was a bad area but you stopped anyways. You are still in your car when you see a "shady" character not far from you yet you turn off your car and get out. The guy comes directly to you and you tell him to stop right there and that is all you do.
IMO, .... Use your head and spidey sense and don't think you can just stop anywhere you want because you have a gun.
dump the alternative fuel vehicle. It could have been the underlying reason you could have gone to prison for a long time. Your choice.
Usually I try to act a little more friendly and not so defensive, it helps to calm the situation.
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P.S. dump the alternative fuel vehicle. It could have been the underlying reason you could have gone to prison for a long time. Your choice.
Please. The underlying reason for this situation was that the OP failed to keep a supply of extra fuel for the vehicle or fuel it up soon enough to avoid visiting an unknown fueling station . THAT would have prevented his having to visit a place late at night in a bad area, where he was unfamiliar with the layout. Nothing about his vehicle makes him more or less prone to bad situations.
have an emergency reserve in case of SHTF, etc...
ETA: If it's natural gas or some other sort of difficult to store fuel, then you just need to make a habit of fueling up more frequently.
I will never ever carry pepper spray. If I feel threatened, I shoot. Simple as that. God I love Texas.
If one feels a need to use a less efficient mode of transportation, wait until the fueling points become available enough that a choice of safety is much more practical.
I suspect that this guy was giving off that vibe. He's a street person and known to be antisocial - a loner. He may very well have felt hostile toward you and projected that attitude without ever intending to criminally act on it.
My say is that you picked up on plenty of danger signals and responded accordingly. Your forbearance is a testament to your maturity of judgment. You felt threatened and continued to size up the situation until you were certain how you were going to act and thus ensured your safety.
As for not going to shady places... Sound advice. I try not to go anywhere with a gun that I wouldn't go without one. But hey... Life happens. That is why you take your precautions, practice, and maintain your situational awareness. Everyone made it home that night. Nobody was hurt or arrested. Win/win situation. Plus you got the added bonus of a little street education.
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That was a good post. A lot of guys post lame or exaggerated sitautions, but you reacted properly.
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I have never run with a tough crowd but, I really believe he was using street methods of aggression and intimidation with me from the moment I got out of my car and he headed towards me. I believe challenging him caused him to become more aggressive instead of less.
See this cuts both ways. I have had experiences with inner city types, and some sense weakness and get aggressive.... but some react to aggressive with aggression. I think you did the right thing.
This guy (who was an employee) had no sense of professionalism- he could have dressed better, and at very least not stormed at you head on- but walked up slower, acknowledged you politely- basically given you some respect. Inner city trash have no respect for themselves so why would they give to anyone else?
Another classic trait of inner city thugs is the question thing. A question is power. In their culture you never answer a question. You simply keep asking questions at your rival- which is why this ******* kept asking questions back at you.
I had an inner city thug call my land-line at 3 Am one night (waking my wife and me up). He called like three times in a row and was mumbling then hanging up- I finally traced the number and called back and simply said "You seem to have the wrong number. Why do you keep calling me?" His response? "Why are you calling me?" Literally this idiot repeated every question I asked him (like the bum did you ran into).
Overall you did well. Sounds like the type of gas station you want to avoid though.
Thanks for the response.
I suspected (in my gut, if you will) that this may be the case.
He is a county worker, and maybe an inner-city type. I work with union people that have about the same lack of professionalism. I was guessing the questions back at me were a dominance thing. I guess answering a question would show service to another, or sub-servience.
In my experience, showing weakness is always the more dangerous position. Predators don't show mercy.
One difference in this post and others I see are this really happened, to the best of my ability to describe it anyway. A lot of scenarios on the board seem to be hypothetical.
Um, if he's within 21 feet, you can get stabbed before you draw.....now you want people to waste time with pepper spray, then try to draw from TEN FEET?!?!?!? Right...
And lots of people have good reasons not to carry pepper spray: Asthma, EIA (exercise induced Asthma), TB, Chronic Bronchitis, Emphysema, or any moderate to serious lung problem...or a sever allergy to capsicum (some people do die from pepper spray) are all good examples.
I will never ever carry pepper spray. If I feel threatened, I shoot. Simple as that. God I love Texas.
But, it does add one more thing to the belt, both as a tool and as a burden.
about that "sixth sense," the ability to pick up on... things.
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dump the alternative fuel vehicle. It could have been the underlying reason you could have gone to prison for a long time. Your choice.
Could be an option. Although I have driven the car for 3 years and this is really the first issue I have had at a filling station. Going to prison for defending yourself? Could be I guess, especially if there was actually no weapon. But, I did not even pull and the situation was deescalated
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P.S. dump the alternative fuel vehicle. It could have been the underlying reason you could have gone to prison for a long time. Your choice.
Um....by that logic, you should dump any vehicle...since vehicle transitions are a prime time for assaults...and you should never go into a liquor store...or use an ATM...or even leave your house...
I had this same thought. As I have gone to the Pantages Theater or Staples center I have noticed very sketchy looking people hanging out. I guess we don't really need to go anywhere that might take us through or into bad areas though. And, by the way, the Staples center uses metal detectors.
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If one feels a need to use a less efficient mode of transportation, wait until the fueling points become available enough that a choice of safety is much more practical.
Less efficient in some respects and more efficient in others.
This is why you have two (2) hands... one to hold the pepper spray, and the other one ready to draw your firearm.
If the guy is CHARGING you, I don't think anybody would having any problem in skipping the pepper spray and responding with the appropriate level of force.
Most, by no means all, but most folks carrying concealed will need two hands to cleanly draw.
And then most folks don’t practice with strong hand shooting,
Now if the wind is blowing the wrong way, we have our hero blinded by his own pepper spray...Worst case, our hero is blinded and neutralized by his own chemical
Oh yea, someone mentioned using Pepper spray on animals. Pepper spray made for humans, doesn't work on animals.
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Most, by no means all, but most folks carrying concealed will need two hands to cleanly draw.
I can't figure this one out. I carry my firearm IWB at 4:00 on my right hip. I use my right hand, and only my right hand, to draw it from my holster. It is actually pretty difficult to use my left hand in drawing my weapon - I know because I have practiced doing it. I do not see where you are coming from by saying that it takes most people 2 hands to draw a weapon.
How is it that you carry your weapon so that it takes 2 hands to draw it?
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And then most folks don’t practice with strong hand shooting,
Who said anything about strong hand shooting?
If you: 1) draw your weapon with your right hand; 2) drop the pepper spray that is in your left hand; 3) use both of your hands to shoot - then this isn't even an issue. But anyways, those who have a CCW should nevertheless practice weak hand draws and strong hand shooting.
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Now if the wind is blowing the wrong way, we have our hero blinded by his own pepper spray...Worst case, our hero is blinded and neutralized by his own chemical
This is a bit far-fetched to think that someone is going to spray pepper spray into the wind and blind himself. Anybody with an ounce of brains is going to know not to do this, and this is quite frankly a really stupid reason to come up with for not carrying pepper spray.
How many "now if's" and "worst case's" can you come up with for this scenario? ...thousands?
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Oh yea, someone mentioned using Pepper spray on animals. Pepper spray made for humans, doesn't work on animals.
Yes... it does work on animals. You were misinformed.
Again, there is no reason why someone with a CCW should not carry pepper spray.