The fallout from CO's gun control

[Ryanxia]

Didn't see this anywhere, a neat article on the fallout from Colorado's gun control. I feel bad for the folks that are losing business but it has to happen. We won't take this lying down any longer.

http://www.redstate.com/leehopper/2...s-toll-on-outdoor-recreation-across-colorado/

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As such, Bower’s losses are not limited to hunting, as he attests to the fact that many of the fisherman and rafters he guides will no longer be returning to Colorado to recreate either. He explained: “Now we are a gun control state. My type of clients think if they come to the state of Colorado they are going to be violating gun laws.”

 

[Huskerguy]

I have access to a condo in Breckenridge any time of year. My wife and I were talking about taking some time there this summer but we are to the point where we do not want to spend a dime of our money there. It isn't just the gun issue, it is the drug issue and the decidedly anti-God/Christian mindset.

I hope this continues to build. Hate to see innocent bystanders hurt but that may be the reality that legislators need. All that said, it could be a short term problem and people will eventually give and come back.

 

[Ryanxia]

I don't think it's going to be short term. There are many other places to hunt, fish, etc. and I think it's important enough to freedom loving Americans to just write off the state until they decide to rejoin America.

I have a mental list of companies I won't do business with because of their anti-2A policies and I've gotten used to avoiding them. (Jared's jewelers, Toys R Us, Buffalo Wild Wings, Stephen King books, etc.)

Feel bad for the folks caught in the middle but I hope we stick it to Coloradostan hard.

 

[MErl]

Fallout but nothing that'll make difference to a switch back. The folks in Denver the the front range don't really care if there are fewer guides/hunters/fisherman. Some would even say it is positive benefit (the ones that do not like hunting).

 

[Prince Yamato]

It would hurt more if folks boycotted other tourism, like skiing. I'm sure hunting and fishing bring in revenue, but probably not what skiing does.

 

[Ryanxia]

Fallout but nothing that'll make difference to a switch back. The folks in Denver the the front range don't really care if there are fewer guides/hunters/fisherman. Some would even say it is positive benefit (the ones that do not like hunting).

There will be enough complaints (and loud) that it will be an ongoing issue even for them in Denver. And the fact that it will be hitting them in the wallet (loss of tax revenue) is important to them. Whether all that will be enough to bring about change remains to be seen.

EDIT: Prince - Many people are boycotting spending a dime in the whole state regardless of what it's for, I suggest we spread the word and do the same.

 

[JSH1]

I don't understand the recent fad of boycotting companies when a state does something you don't like. I didn't support Arizona's immigration law but that didn't keep me from enjoying a trip to the Grand Canyon in 2010. I especially don't understand boycotting firearm related businesses in Colorado. How does putting your biggest allies in the state out of business help the cause?

 

[Ryanxia]

It's not boycotting those companies it's boycotting the state by not giving them the tax revenue. It just happens to hit the tourism industry which is a lot of hunting/fishing. It is not meant to attack those businesses but to let the state (and every other state) know that if they pass anti-American laws they will lose money (which is mostly what they care about).

 

[A-FIXER]

Fad?

I don't understand the recent fad of boycotting companies when a state does something you don't like

Its not a fad but moreso a principle of fact..... If you don't show and stand against a belief then exactly to what does a person allow, the others partys rules and guidelines is that something you want pushed in your mouth? It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.... and I don't like it.

 

[MErl]

There will be enough complaints (and loud) that it will be an ongoing issue even for them in Denver. And the fact that it will be hitting them in the wallet (loss of tax revenue) is important to them. Whether all that will be enough to bring about change remains to be seen.

I don't see it making any difference where the majority of the state population is. The state is coming out of the recession and tax revenues are going up, this won't even register at the capitol monetarily.

The local news seems firmly on the other side so no matter how loudly people complain they will be dismissed as sore losers.

We'll see what the elections next year bring. If the (R) can manage to put up people that aren't too distasteful to pissed off (D) and (L) there is a chance. I'm not entirely hopeful on that happening though. I'm sure there are people trying to figure out how to get pot back on the ballot for 2014 to bring out their supporters.

 

[Torian]

There are at least two recall elections now that I'm tracking whose signatures were recently verified as well for CO politicians who voted for this.

It will be very interesting to see if the people of CO actually recall them, or just bury their head in the sand and allow this travesty of the Constitution to continue.

 

[MErl]

It will be very interesting to see if the people of CO actually recall them, or just bury their head in the sand and allow this travesty of the Constitution to continue.

Wouldn't that be a kick in the pants. Force another election and they win/keep their jobs due to lack of suitable opponent.

 

[jrdolall]

I have dropped all my flights on Frontier Airlines that go through Denver, which is basically 100%, and now take another airline through SLC or LAS. I doubt anyone has noticed but if a couple of thousand people per week stop going to the airport maybe it will help.
CO is like NY or IL. The population in one or two cities trumps the rest of the state.

 

[desidog]

It would hurt more if folks boycotted other tourism, like skiing.

I started that boycott when it cost over $100 a day for a Vail lift ticket...talk about sapping the enjoyment of skiing on publicly owned land.

 

[JSH1]

Wouldn't that be a kick in the pants. Force another election and they win/keep their jobs due to lack of suitable opponent.

It happened in Wisconsin. Scott Walker won his recall election by a wider margin than his original election even with his approval rating less than 50%. Many people simply don't approve of the recall process and see recall elections as the action of sour losers. I am one of those people. If you don't like what a politician does vote them out at the next election. If both sides start resorting to recalls every time a vote doesn't go their way we will have a continuous election cycle even more dependent on fundraising and politicians already spend too much time politicking and fundraising and too little governing.

I will ask my question again. How does a national boycott that drives Colorado's firearm related businesses out of business help gun rights in Colorado?

 

[A-FIXER]

I will ask my question again. How does a national boycott that drives Colorado's firearm related businesses out of business help gun rights in Colorado?

Its not against the gun business but colorado it just so happens that some of their business are firearm related, now as so far as recalls there just are not that many in many years of recent elected people have been recalled and I would not stand for a rep to retain in office if he/she is hellbent on removing my God given right to defend my family with equal/better force than the criminal/thug who would attempt to cause injury to my family. Nor would I stand for anyone who would go against the Constitution of these United States.

 

[Ryanxia]

It happened in Wisconsin. Scott Walker won his recall election by a wider margin than his original election even with his approval rating less than 50%. Many people simply don't approve of the recall process and see recall elections as the action of sour losers. I am one of those people. If you don't like what a politician does vote them out at the next election. If both sides start resorting to recalls every time a vote doesn't go their way we will have a continuous election cycle even more dependent on fundraising and politicians already spend too much time politicking and fundraising and too little governing.

I will ask my question again. How does a national boycott that drives Colorado's firearm related businesses out of business help gun rights in Colorado?

Your question was already answered in post #8.

I agree recall elections shouldn't be used every time someone doesn't get their own way but they are built into the system for this exact reason. When a politician does something so wrong (such as violate our Rights guaranteed by the Constitution) we have a system so we don't have to wait until the next election.

 

[leadcounsel]

I lived there from 1998-2006. Loved Colorado. Loved the outdoors sports like skiing and rafting.

Considered moving back until this. Now I doubt I'll even visit. I tend to avoid anti-gun states in my own personal boycott as much as feasible.

 

[A-FIXER]

Nor would I stand for anyone who would go against the Constitution of these United States.

If he/she does its called Treason.

 

[Certaindeaf]

Gun people are not wanted in Colorado. It's certainly a bad thing but that's how it is.

 

[TCB in TN]

It happened in Wisconsin. Scott Walker won his recall election by a wider margin than his original election even with his approval rating less than 50%. Many people simply don't approve of the recall process and see recall elections as the action of sour losers. I am one of those people. If you don't like what a politician does vote them out at the next election. If both sides start resorting to recalls every time a vote doesn't go their way we will have a continuous election cycle even more dependent on fundraising and politicians already spend too much time politicking and fundraising and too little governing.

He may have won, and many people may not approve, but it cost him money, time, and in many cases they don't win, and are replaced. It is a just another tool to remind politicians that they work for the public, not the other way around.

I will ask my question again. How does a national boycott that drives Colorado's firearm related businesses out of business help gun rights in Colorado?

First of all it is not just a boycott of Colorado's firearm related businesses. It is a boycott of Colorado. My wife and I had planned to vacation in CO this year. Now we are not. If we had we would have spent several thousand dollars on hotels, food, rental car, gas, and admissions. Now that money will go else where. I have sent several emails to politicians in CO (CO state senate, Denver, and Boulder mayor, and chamber of commerce etc) to explain why I will not be spending that money in CO. There is an old saying, money talks, and in this case it is telling CO that they messed up. Makes sense to me.

 

[Agsalaska]

JSH1, I get your point, and I do not understand the boycott ideas either. I think, in the end, boycotts generally do more harm than good to everyone involved and often have the exact opposite outcome than was intended.

And then there is the absurd. I assume I was not supposed to take my daughter to DisneyLand last year, or the zoo in San Diego. I probably should not have visited San Francisco, played Pebble Beach, visited Wrigley, and Fenway, eaten the Caribbean Jerk Wings at Buffallo Wild Wings, gambled in Vegas, or seen the leaves change in the Yukon in the last few years because I disagree with decisions made by their elected officals. Somehow, by not doing those things, that would make me a man of prinicple. sure.

 

[Certaindeaf]

JSH1, I get your point, and I do not understand the boycott ideas either. I think, in the end, boycotts generally do more harm than good to everyone involved and often have the exact opposite outcome than was intended.

And then there is the absurd. I assume I was not supposed to take my daughter to DisneyLand last year, or the zoo in San Diego. I probably should not have visited San Francisco, played Pebble Beach, visited Wrigley, and Fenway, eaten the Caribbean Jerk Wings at Buffallo Wild Wings, gambled in Vegas, or seen the leaves change in the Yukon in the last few years because I disagree with decisions made by their elected officals. Somehow, by not doing those things, that would make me a man of prinicple. sure.

Boy, you'da been a real firebrand back in that tea deal back in the old days.

 

[X-Rap]

If Colorado was the only state to offer a certain commodity that I wanted I would say don't short yourself but there is nothing here that Wyoming or Utah don't have to offer so I'd say go do your thing with them.
It's an exreme and I will us it only for illustration but if the seats were empty at mile hi for a couple sundays or if flights to and from DIA were cut in half people would notice same with the hotels and ski slopes. Hit em where it hurts and SKI UTAH.

 

[JSH1]

Punish all of Colorado and if it happens to harm our allies so be it? Still doesn't make sense to me. Boycotts don't work. Despite a national effort to boycott Arizona the legislators didn't back down. Despite the boycott other states such as my home state of Alabama passed similar laws.

Unless one lives in Colorado, their gun laws in no way infringe on your rights. If residents of Colorado believe their rights are being effected they have means to block the law. They can file a lawsuit to block the law from going into effect. It happens all the time and the US Supreme Court makes the final determination.

Residents of Colorado also will have the opportunity to vote out the offending politician in the next election cycle.

So Coloradoans have a short term an long term way to reverse this decision. Recall efforts say poor loser to me regardless of which side tries it.