The fallout from CO's gun control

[Agsalaska]

Well there's no disputing that Austin is the capital of TX so you must be thinking Austin isn't generally anti gun.

Well, think again.

Read this:
http://thelibertybeat.com/gun-control-reaches-austin-texas/






The guy that lost the election was pro 2A.


Once Dallas's politicians are like Austin's, it will follow the mold of LA and San Fran domination CA and NYC dominating NY and Boulder and Denver dominating CO.

Are you from Texas? Do you live in Texas? Or are you coming up with these conclusions by reading about this on the internet? And because their politicians acted this way during the craze then Austin must support this? Of course. Because the 2nd amendment must be the only reason another guy would lose?

Austin is not San Francisco and Dallas is not Los Angeles.

 

[MErl]

and Denver is not LA, or at least it wasn't until they all seemed to move here (hell I'm one of those damn imports)

Do not simply dismiss the warning, it can happen elsewhere. NV seems like the next likely spot.

 

[X-Rap]

We all need to swallow our state pride and realize that our state demographics are changing and we might not be in as comfortable spot as we'd like to believe.
I can think of a few states that are closing in on the tipping point to which they will turn from blue to red or pro gun to anti in one or two election cycles. problem is it happens while nobody is paying attention or they are in denial of what is happening.

 

[A-FIXER]

X-Rap
We all need to swallow our state pride and realize that our state demographics are changing and we might not be in as comfortable spot as we'd like to believe.
I can think of a few states that are closing in on the tipping point to which they will turn from blue to red or pro gun to anti in one or two election cycles. problem is it happens while nobody is paying attention or they are in denial of what is happening.
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Agreed x-man agreed

 

[danez71]

Are you from Texas? Do you live in Texas? Or are you coming up with these conclusions by reading about this on the internet? And because their politicians acted this way during the craze then Austin must support this? Of course. Because the 2nd amendment must be the only reason another guy would lose?

Austin is not San Francisco and Dallas is not Los Angeles.

No I'm not from there.

Are you?

No, I don't live there.

Do you?

I'm coming to these conclusion based on the facts of their actions and the fact that my (step) sister lives just outside of Austin and therefore has direct knowledge both the political climate and also with common citizens as she works in Austin and also has friends who live in Austin.


How are you coming to your conclusions?

Do you have any facts to the contrary or are you basing your conclusions on what fellow pro 2A people from rural TX, but not Austin, are telling you on an internet gun forum?


It happened in CO... it can happen anywhere.


Ignore it or deny it all you want but the fact is the people of Austin elected a Mayor who is a member of MAIG. I believe all of the Mayors of Austin have been Democrats for about the last 20 yrs..

 

[danez71]

and Denver is not LA, or at least it wasn't until they all seemed to move here (hell I'm one of those damn imports)

Do not simply dismiss the warning, it can happen elsewhere. NV seems like the next likely spot.

Agreed X2.

According to the 2011 census, TX is the most popular destination for CA to relocate to. CO isn't even make the in the top 5.

My mom just moved to east TX to Tyler about 6 months ago from southern CA and my (step) sister moved to just outside Austin about 7 yrs ago from southern CA.



http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Californias-Population-Moving-Out-182914961.html

The Census Bureau calculates that the most popular destination is Texas (58,992), a state that is luring California companies. That’s followed by Arizona (49,635), Nevada (40,114), Washington (38,421) and Oregon (34,214).

 

[Certaindeaf]

.According to the 2011 census, TX is the most popular destination for CA to relocate to. CO isn't even make the in the top 5..

If memory serves, Texas has the fifth largest economy on the planet.

 

[rondog]

I'd like to know why my post here was deleted.

 

[danez71]

If memory serves, Texas has the fifth largest economy on the planet.

Currently TX is 14th in the world and CA is 12th.

They have both been higher in the past.

 

[Agsalaska]

No I'm not from there.

Are you?- Yes. Born and Raised in Fort Worth Texas. Lived in Texas from birth(1977 until 2006.)

No, I don't live there.

Do you?-Yes. Just moved back last year. I live in the DFW metroplex

I'm coming to these conclusion based on the facts of their actions and the fact that my (step) sister lives just outside of Austin and therefore has direct knowledge both the political climate and also with common citizens as she works in Austin and also has friends who live in Austin.
My sister lives in downtown Austin. My parents live outside of Austin in the Country. I have business in Austin. I am there frequently.


How are you coming to your conclusions?

Do you have any facts to the contrary or are you basing your conclusions on what fellow pro 2A people from rural TX, but not Austin, are telling you on an internet gun forum?

Austin has always been a different place. In fact their motto is 'keep Austin weird.' They also have a lot of California transplants which, quite frankly, is never a good thing. They have therefore more often than not elected local liberals. And those liberals tried their best to ride the wave of gun control this year. That should not be a surprise. They also won some elections over some conservatives. Thats not a surprise and has really nothing to do with 2nd amendment rights. We make an assumption here that 2a rights are all people vote on.


It happened in CO... it can happen anywhere.


Ignore it or deny it all you want but the fact is the people of Austin elected a Mayor who is a member of MAIG. I believe all of the Mayors of Austin have been Democrats for about the last 20 yrs..

TO finish what I was typing up there. Sure, Austin is different. BUt one thing a lot of people assume outside the state is that Austin is the heart and sould of Texas. This could not be further from the truth. Austin has always been much different than the rest of the state. There is Texas and then there is Austin. DO not assume that because somethign is happening in Austin that it is, or could be, the prevailing feeling across the entire state. In fact it is much more likely that it is just the opposite. I also understand that in a lot of states the elected locals in the state capitol have some kind of relationship or influence over state poitics. That could also not be further from the case in Texas.

Texas is not, and will not, be close to passing any kind of measures restricting our second amendment rights.

 

[MErl]

Texas is not, and will not, be close to passing any kind of measures restricting our second amendment rights.

Then use their methods against them now while you can. Get CC and OC written into law with no permit required. Get a study commission setup to examine and publish the positive effects of firearms on defense. If possible, get the state constitution modified to guarantee 2A rights extending to magazines, ammunition, NFA, etc. Take AZ as a model.

Make it harder to reverse later. Establish the facts now so later you can point and say "It has not been a problem for 15 years, why change things now?"

The longer the diaspora of CA residents happens the harder it will be to pass laws like that.

 

[alsaqr]

JSH1 summed it up well.

i'm not going to boycott products made in CO or CO businesses. Such a boycott punishes good folks who had no hand in shaping the present CO government.

The referendum on dope legalization shooed into office a bunch of blissninnies who also favor gun control. The citizens of CO are capable of working this out.

 

[jrdolall]

Any boycott punishes more than just one group. If you boycott Chinese made goods you invariably hurt Chinese workers. It doesn't mean you don't like the Chinese worker but ultimately politicians and business owners look at the bottom line. ANYTHING that hurts their pocketbook will help.

 

[danez71]

Posted by Agsalaska:

TO finish what I was typing up there. Sure, Austin is different. BUt one thing a lot of people assume outside the state is that Austin is the heart and sould of Texas. This could not be further from the truth. Austin has always been much different than the rest of the state. There is Texas and then there is Austin. DO not assume that because somethign is happening in Austin that it is, or could be, the prevailing feeling across the entire state. In fact it is much more likely that it is just the opposite. I also understand that in a lot of states the elected locals in the state capitol have some kind of relationship or influence over state poitics. That could also not be further from the case in Texas.

Substitute Denver or Boulder & CO and San Fran or LA & CA and it would read the same way for CO 10 yrs ago and CA 30 yrs ago. And probably the same for a few other states too.

CA used to be a Republican state and San Fran used to be the weird place in CA. Then LA started to shift... then San Diego. Being sandwiched between LA and San Diego, then Orange County started to shift.

Now NV is showing sings of weakness.

Demographics are changing.

You even said the imports of Californians isn't good and I showed you that almost 60k Californians relocated to TX just in 2011.

Over 360K Californians have move to TX in the last 5 years.

All I'm saying is don't be too confident. There are signs.

Take MErl's advice if nothing else. Don't let it sneak up on you.


CO is just the most recent example that it CAN happen.

 

[tarosean]

Texas is not, and will not, be close to passing any kind of measures restricting our second amendment rights.

Never say never.. We had quite few anti bills fail in committee this year. It only takes one to start the domino effect. CO's domino was back in 2003 with Denvers strict bans upheld by SCOTUS all it took was a matter of time for the rest of the pieces to fall..

 

[gym]

At this point it's a line in the sand. If they must me boycotted in order to feel the wrath of passing laws that curtail out freedoms, then so be it. The people only act when something directlly effects them. Otherwise they are like worker ants, they go to work and come home, it's only when something upsets the norm that they react. History has shown us this over and over, you must push people in order for them to "wake up", or before they realize what happened, they have no rights left.
This boycotting of the state will show politicians a more immediate reaction to the foolishness they perpetuated on their citizens, as the populous starts to see how things are changing for the worse because of what has been done by a few radical beurocrats.

 

[X-Rap]

Texas is not, and will not, be close to passing any kind of measures restricting our second amendment rights.

They don't have to, they already have a strong enough structure in place to do a lot of damage if the other side ever gets in power.
Texas is far from an unregulated state, it's just a matter of who is in charge.

 

[GEM]

That's true. Remember, the governor was against CHL before Bush. Anne might have won again.

Perry will sign what gets in front of him but won't act proactively - as he will for other causes.

Here's a take on companies moving - it's about CT.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/30/opinion/sunday/a-gun-maker-moves-on.html

The take away point is that the antigunners say good riddance to such evil companies. The associated harm would be seen as being deserved if you are in a related industry - like hunting.

 

[X-Rap]

I don't know who signed the TX CC law into effect but I do know that W was ambivalent toward the AWB and stated himself that he would have signed it back into law had congress put it on his desk.
In CO we had to wait yrs for shall issue after a progressive RINO gov refused to sign post Columbine what was a certainty had it never happened.
Perry strikes a wonderful pose for the press with gun in hand but I see little of him taking advantage of the Bully Pulpit to enhance the rights that Texans observe.
In CO Hick was seen as pro gun by some and never as an anti until party politics got involved post Aurora shooting, things change on a dime and the political machine crushes all unless it is institutionalized both in the law and in peoples minds.

 

[coloradokevin]

Frankly, these "boycott everything in Colorado" tactics won't likely be effective, or even noticed. The legislature didn't care when Magpul told them that they'd remove $85 Million in annual tax revenue from this state. No one on the "other side" cares.

But, Colorado isn't anti-gun. We simply aren't. Come to this state and see for yourself! We've had a bad run in the legislature this year, thanks to too many folks becoming complacent with their voting habits, and because too many Denverites don't care about our rights. But, on a whole Colorado is more pro-gun than most places. Allow me to cite some legal examples (which ignores the "feel" of the state):

1) Our rules for carrying a gun in your vehicle are very relaxed
2) You may carry in liquor establishments, and on college campuses
3) You can carry your CCW weapon even in places where signs "prohibit" such carry
4) You can still own pretty much any type of gun (they've just banned magazines thus far)
5) No gun registration exists


Don't get me wrong, the rights-grabbing politicians need to go. We're in the process of getting rid of them! Two of the folks who've voted for these laws are already facing recall (because of THIS issue), and many more are probably going to see a recall before it is all said and done. We haven't even had a single election since these asinine laws were passed, and I think the tide will turn during the next election (just so long as the Republicans don't put up some nut-job candidate of their own).

Don't give up on Colorado, we still have a fight to win here! The problem with the political "right" is that their tactics are wrong: namely, abandoning any area where trouble exists. Colorado is a swing state, and the left is pouring a ton of money into this state to try to swing it toward the color blue. WE can win this state back if we put a similar effort into keeping Colorado red.

I get frustrated when I hear so many gun owners talking about leaving Colorado immediately. Instead of doing that, why not stick around and get involved in some political action here? Why not encourage your friends to get out there and vote for pro-liberty candidates? Why do you feel that this problem may not ever follow you to another state? Eventually we need to draw the line in the sand and fight for this issue. We aren't going to win the fight in places like California or NY, but we darn sure have a chance of winning in politically divided places like Colorado!

Texas is not, and will not, be close to passing any kind of measures restricting our second amendment rights.

Really? How about the 30.06 signs? We don't have those here in "anti-gun" Colorado.

My point? Every state has a few asinine laws.

 

[X-Rap]

I agree with you Kevin, CO has some of the simplest carry laws in the country but in these blue years we have lost more than I care to recall.
Hunting/Trapping amendments
Gutless politicking on CC post Columbine
Denver preemption exemption
Res only CCW permits
Gun Show Loophole/background check
And this years anti gun legislation.
Not small potatoes on their own and certainly not as a whole. This took years to accomplish and given this years damage I still can't figure out how we got into such a mess but I live in the west and have been living through these elections feeling helpless because we (aside from J Salazar) have always voted to the conservative side or RINO's all to frequently for lack of choice.
Primary's are the only reason I hold any party affiliation.

 

[GEM]

George W. signed the CHL law - it was a crucial difference between him and Anne Richards. As president, he (like Perry) was not proactive on guns. He said he would sign the AWB if he got to him. Some regard that as clever politics as he knew it wouldn't but I regard that as unethical. If you think a law saves lives then you go for it. Or you oppose it.

Mitt said he supported the AWB because George W. did.

You cannot trust any politician on an issue.

 

[harrygunner]

My biggest concern for Colorado is different establishments attract different clientele. The marijuana push and this liberal bent will draw in more slackers.

Perhaps Colorado legislators should take a tour of California to see the run-down downtown liberal mecca of Berkeley, sex in public parks in San Francisco, homeless living in cardboard boxes for miles in downtown Los Angeles, the bankrupt and nearly bankrupt cities around Stockton filled with tokers and tweakers.

It's not just Constitutional rights at risk.

 

[MErl]

I know I'm probably beating a dead horse here about TX but this was just too timely to not add:
Big Growth Could Shake Up Texas' Old Political Equation

What is new, Murdock says, is how Texas is growing: Two-thirds of the increase comes from Hispanics, while the population of non-Hispanic whites — the group Texans call "Anglos" — is barely growing at all. Anglos are no longer the majority in Texas, and Hispanics are expected to outnumber Anglos within about a decade.

Every year, the share of Hispanic voters in Texas goes up," he says. "If you were able to fully take advantage of that increase, it would actually go some significant way toward turning Texas, if not blue, at least purple."

Is also a discussion about CA transplants in there.

I'll repeat, get positive 2A laws passed now. Laws without ambiguity like "Intent to cause alarm." Your window may be closing.

 

[Pilot]

When I lived in Colorado, a lot of Californians had already moved there. The Front Range (Denver, etc) attracted most of them because that's where the job are located. It has become more liberal, and the politicians that have been elected, Hickenlooper and the lot are nanny state, socialists.

I hope the recalls are successful and the next round of elections bring a huge backlash. It is a great state, and they don't deserve this crap. I hope to move back, and would prefer these laws get removed.