The fallout from CO's gun control

[A-FIXER]

I am glad your last response was different Robert, your emotions like us all get the best of us sometimes, but saying what you said was like ''because there is a state like Colorado with Amercians--- Would I fight for them any less as I did while in the Corps'' my answer is HELL NO!!! nor would I want them to do it alone If a battle would be there in your state I would be shoulder to shoulder with you and or others fighting against the corrupt regime that says you could not be FREE.

 

[A-FIXER]

Like it or not the Constitution sets the Supreme Court as the final decision maker. I don't like every decision they make but I do respect the role they play in our form of government. Gun owners have been doing pretty good lately at the Supreme Court.

The SCOTUS was never to create a Law it is to be the people voices and having their reps do that for them, and voting on it to accepting it. Now they think they can do this from the bench? Thats BS and where is the outrage from the commonman if they are outraged what can they do? Not much ehh! guess not donate money to any political party who opposes as they do or is it no I guess I won't vote ever again that incomplete statement you need to take a stand that they can and will understand money, it is power and when has it not ever cost the average joe something, it always does.... I don't buy from any company selling anything to LEO's or the like in restricted states nor will I ever yet they stay in business how? some will loosen their stance if it is something they want it has happen through out all of history.... I not only became a life member to the NRA I also purchased for my father, brother, children and 1 uncle's that they may fight in ALL STATES who oppose firearms or restrictions on cap of mags.

 

[Cee Zee]

Boycotts do work. Why is Glenn Beck not on Fox now? It was a boycott that caused him to lose his job no matter what you think of him. Recalls often work too. In a town near where I used to live they must have had a dozen recall votes in the space of 5 years and every one of them worked. The idea can catch fire and politicians can be tossed out on their heads. You can bet things changed too. The government suddenly stopped being a tool of special interests.

Like it or not the Constitution sets the Supreme Court as the final decision maker

Actually the constitution does not set the SC as the final decision maker. They took that role on themselves. There is no mention of it in the constitution. They decided they had the power to make things unconstitutional was back in the case of Marbury vs. Madison in 1803.

 

[Ignition Override]

People are continuously moving from heavily anti-gun cities elsewhere to states such as WY, ID, MT, CO, NM (Santa Fe) as we speak.

Anywhere you find a growing 'artsy' town, don't expect it to be a traditional, gun-friendly place. Think about it....where do the 'arts' come from? Primarily from big cities. Even Asheville NC has these outsiders.
This struggle is only the beginning.

 

[larryh1108]

What I don't understand is that these people who move want to get away from the rat race and oppressive government. They find a nice, quiet place and then want the same BS they left. That's what I don't get and never will understand. Why bother moving to get away from it if you bring it with you?

 

[General Geoff]

Why bother moving to get away from it if you bring it with you?

Quite simple, really. They want rural space, comfort and quiet with big-city convenience, services, culture. They do not understand that the two ideals are somewhat mutually exclusive.

 

[leadcounsel]

Lots of pro-gun people sat on the sidelines in the National and State election in Colorado. Shame on them. If they suffer, then so be it.

Elections have consequences. We are ALL paying the price for the morons who failed to vote. The only remedy is to vote vote vote and get in better people.

 

[X-JaVeN-X]

I don't understand the recent fad of boycotting companies when a state does something you don't like. I didn't support Arizona's immigration law but that didn't keep me from enjoying a trip to the Grand Canyon in 2010. I especially don't understand boycotting firearm related businesses in Colorado. How does putting your biggest allies in the state out of business help the cause?

You should have just stopped after "I don't understand..."

 

[Dlowe167]

Shame on Colorado legislatures.Its a state with a natures/outdoors way.Guns & nature good hand and hand.U cant change one with out affecting the other.Lots of jobs affected,whichs affects economy.Time for new represention foe CO. citizens in my opinion

 

[Thermactor]

We need to write our local representatives to introduce bills that would withdraw all federal funding for Colorado, including funding for schools, roads, medicare/medicaid, social security, other social programs, and parks. a boycott is not strong enough - we need sanctions, embargos, asset seizures and blockades.

 

[rdhood]

It happened in Wisconsin. Scott Walker won his recall election by a wider margin than his original election even with his approval rating less than 50%. Many people simply don't approve of the recall process and see recall elections as the action of sour losers. I am one of those people. If you don't like what a politician does vote them out at the next election. If both sides start resorting to recalls every time a vote doesn't go their way we will have a continuous election cycle even more dependent on fundraising and politicians already spend too much time politicking and fundraising and too little governing.

There is a big difference between what happened in CO and Wi:

In WI, the Rebublican gov and legislature were elected to do exactly what they did. You don't recall someone for doing what they promised to do.

In CO, a huge number of officials feigned support for the 2nd and got elected on those principles. And then they did something else. And that is why he recalls there are valid.

 

[Ryanxia]

We need to write our local representatives to introduce bills that would withdraw all federal funding for Colorado, including funding for schools, roads, medicare/medicaid, social security, other social programs, and parks. a boycott is not strong enough - we need sanctions, embargos, asset seizures and blockades.

Or we could petition the federal government to forcefully unseat those who violated their oaths to protect the Constitution, but I don't see either happening.

 

[another pake]

Sorry for the outburst guys but I get damn tired of folks just assuming that we just gave up when nothing could be further from the truth. To those who are boycotting the state please be sure to send the governor and others a letter telling them why.

I understand Robert's and others frustration in this issue and IMO both boycotting and letter writing are effective, among other things. But I think that in addition to the Governor, a more worthwhile recipient would be the statewide Office of Economic Development, the State Office of Tourism, the State and local offices of Chambers of Commerce etc.

Personally I would say something like, "Considering the State of Colorado's recent decision to limit blah, blah, blah, my family and I have decided to limit our spending of recreational and tourist dollars to areas that more closely meet our needs. Typically we visit Colorado each year for six days in Late November to ski in Vale. While there we stay at... We daily use the services of the Lift Haus and... We make a return trip nearly every year to attend The National Western Stock Show in Denver, staying four or five days. Later, in July, we meet my brother and his family to spend a week at the XYZ Dude Ranch in the Collegiate Range. While there we employ the services of... Rafting Company...

My point is this; make your letter writing effective by being specific. List events, times, names of businesses and so on. Send these communications to everyone that you would ordinarily frequent. They in turn will forward that communication on to their representatives.

Multiply Your Voice

 

[Dr T]

Background: I was married in CO in 84 and have lived here since 96. I moved from Texas and plan to change my residency back there after I retire.

A couple of observations:

1. What many of you do not understand is that many of the folks that elected the legislature that passed the laws and the governor that endorsed and signed them will be delighted by any such boycott. Colorado is full of people that think that they should have been the last person allowed to move or visit there. These laws will keep all the gun-toting rednecks out of "their" state, "their" stores, "their" parks, "their" ski areas, and so forth. They could care less about the effect on the outfitters since they own their own kayaks and rafts, and it will just make things less crowded for them to enjoy. As for the economy--as long as it doesn't upset their trust funds, they don't care. (As a note, in the past, I have had obscene gestures made at me for simply having a Texas license plate and been cursed in stores in Boulder and Evergreen for having a drawl.) These are the same areas that are passing local laws about the use of fracking in oil production (there are oil wells in Boulder County) because they do not want the mess and bother messing up things. AND, Boulder County needs the revenue to support the lifestyles of these people. The people have just not figured it out yet.

2. Once you get outside the Denver-Boulder-Fort Collins triangle (and some parts of Pueblo and Colorado Springs), you will find that most of the people in this state are just as appalled as many of you appear to be. Even within the Triangle, you will find that an increasing number of people in this state have finally come to realize that these laws are an encroachment on their rights. Before they were passed, these folks were largely clueless.
3. A number of the elements of these laws are unenforceable. Some county sheriffs have already stated as much. I have heard rumors of a lawsuit against the state being put together by a number of sheriffs.
4. Such a boycott would hurt the wrong people. Except for the skiing, your moneys tend to support your friends in the state. You are making things harder for them.

 

[X-Rap]

I still think that there is a silent majority that sadly has been sitting out of recent elections but hopefully that is changing. I also think that there was a fairly large number of voters who looked at Hick and probably others as a cool entrepreneur capitalist who had progressive social views but believed him more in line with their fiscal views. I personally believe more and more that you really can't mix those views. (fiscal conservative, social liberal or the reverse)
There may be a very small percentage but for the most part the to ideologies don't mix well as has been show just recently in DC.

 

[danez71]

You are right, you can't vote here but you can donate to one of the many groups fighting against this. The NRA is helping bankroll to recall fight and there are a number of others that coulduse the money and put it to could use.

Sorry for the outburst guys but I get damn tired of folks just assuming that we just gave up when nothing could be further from the truth. To those who are boycotting the state please be sure to send the governor and others a letter telling them why.

Too bad there isn't a 'clapping' smiley.]

1st, No apology needed.

2nd, Exactly. Waaay too many members here have the attitude that its the people fault and to just wash there hands of a state under the fallacy that it wont happen in their home state.

It wasn't the peoples fault that NY passed even more legislation in the middle of the night and skipped any public hearings on their most recent anti 2A push.


Man up and support other states like you would your own family. We are all brothers and sisters in this fight!


Think about it.... if just 1/2 the money the public spent on creating the ammo shortage instead went to pro 2A organizations, we'd ALL be a lot better off.

Gotta agree with Robert. You all have no real idea of how hard the new laws were fought against, and how much folks are continuing to fight them any way we can, including using recalls, court challenges, and whatever else we think of. Don't isolate the 2A folks in Colorado just because we lost this round of the fight, there's a lot more to come and we'll need all the help we can get. And don't for one minute think that Colorado is just an isolated case of people wimping out and losing their rights - this whole anti-2A push in CO is just a test bed for the rest of the western US, and if we lose this one then the rest of you are next on the list. Count on it.
If you want more info on the recalls, check out the thread in the Activism forum. If nothing else, find out what you have to do WHEN (not IF) this happens in your state.

Again... we need a clapping smiley.

Texans, for example only, are fooling themselves if they think it cant happen there. Austin, the capital, is generally anti gun. That is a bad recipe right there.

Give it more time and most of your politicians will be anti gun as the good ol' anti gun boys in Austin will only help other anti gun candidates get elected in other areas of the state, particularly in Dallas. That's how politicians work.

Once Dallas falls, you're doomed to being on the defense as your gun rights slowly get stripped away ( just like has happened in the states below and more!)

CO is like Ca in that a couple big control the rest of the state. TX is similar too.

You'll be complaining that its the fault of CA, CO, NY, NJ, MASS, IL, DC, HI, CT, MD, RI, PA, MI ect ect ect.

That's about 25% of the states in the country!

And it wont be a coincidence that those all will be the same states YOU wrote off, turned your back on, and laughed at.

Write those states and tell them why you aren't coming to visit. Write Disneyland and tell them you respect their right to limit guns in their private property parks, however, the states attack on the constitution is unacceptable and remind them that if it wasn't for the constitution, Walt would have never built Disneyland.



I'll say it again, Man up and support other states like you would your own family. We are all brothers and sisters in this fight!

 

[Resist Evil]

never mind

 

[KnekBeard]

Dr T said: 4. Such a boycott would hurt the wrong people. Except for the skiing, your moneys tend to support your friends in the state. You are making things harder for them.

This is exactly correct. The people you are boycotting Are you friends and allies, not the enemy. If you really want to boycott somebody, then find out what buisnesses support these liberals and go after them. Not just in Colorado, but nationwide. The Ski industry here is a good idea, the hunting industry not so much.

 

[Agsalaska]

danez71:

Texans, for example only, are fooling themselves if they think it cant happen there. Austin, the capital, is generally anti gun. That is a bad recipe right there.

No it is not.

 

[larryh1108]

4. Such a boycott would hurt the wrong people. Except for the skiing, your moneys tend to support your friends in the state. You are making things harder for them.

While this is 100% true, even you have to admit that the only "reason" these anti-gun leaders understand is the almighty dollar. Seriously, those with the agenda to disarm us do not and will not listen to reasoning, talk of forefathers and constitutional rights and what we want. They have an agenda and don't care what is "right" because they think what they want is "right". These guys only understand revenue, taxes, income.... MONEY!

Hopefully, in a few years when these bozos are launched out of office and more pro-gun people are elected that we'll get our rights back. About the same time the courts should have ruled against the new laws. In the mean time, we have a lot of other states considering similar legislation. These harsh measure (boycotts, etc.) are meant to prevent further states from jumping on the band wagon.

We don't want another state to do what CT. CO, MA, CA, NJ, etc. have done. These actions are to deter further erosion of states and our brother's and sister's rights in those states. If enough states pass these stupid laws then the house and senate will not be able to prevent national legislation. I'd even bet they'd pass an anti-gun amendment if they ever got both the house and senate to go along. These are scary times and it means drastic measures by all of us. Some will suffer for the betterment of the whole. That's how it works.

 

[Thermactor]

We need our elected representatives to send aid to the Friends of Colorado who are fighting against the illegitimate regime currently in command in that state. A no-fly zone would be ideal. Colorado's blatant disregard for human rights shall not go unanswered.

 

[JustinJ]

While this is 100% true, even you have to admit that the only "reason" these anti-gun leaders understand is the almighty dollar. Seriously, those with the agenda to disarm us do not and will not listen to reasoning, talk of forefathers and constitutional rights and what we want. They have an agenda and don't care what is "right" because they think what they want is "right". These guys only understand revenue, taxes, income.... MONEY!

Wait, they are doing what they think is right but they'll still be motivated by money?

I don't know what percentage of CO's tax revenue comes from hunting or shooting activities but I seriously doubt this boycott is going to make gun control advocates of the state suddenly abandon their views.

 

[TCB in TN]

I don't know what percentage of CO's tax revenue comes from hunting or shooting activities but I seriously doubt this boycott is going to make gun control advocates of the state suddenly abandon their views.

It may not make the gun control advocates change their views, but lower tax rev will get the attention of the politicians in charge.

BTW this idea that you are only boycotting the gun businesses is absurd. As I mentioned earlier in the thread. My planned vacation would have included hotel rooms, food, rental cars, gas, and the "touristy" admissions and the like. We decided to take all of that money else where. I left messages for the Denver Chamber of Commerce http://www.denverchamber.org/, the Boulder Chamber http://boulderchamber.com/ , letting them know that I was not visiting and why.

 

[X-Rap]

Last I heard skiing and hunting generated about the same amount of revenue for the states economy. The top 2 tourist incomes.
Saying people shouldn't boycott the state because there might be collateral damage is like saying these shooting related companies shouldn't leave CO, CT, MA, NY and any of the other anti states. These businesses leaving will hurt local economies and individuals that might be great 2a supporters but I believe we have reached critical mass in the fight for these states and before we have anymore cross over I think we need a strong statement from both the enthusiast and the industry. Not one more inch.

 

[danez71]

danez71:

Texans, for example only, are fooling themselves if they think it cant happen there. Austin, the capital, is generally anti gun. That is a bad recipe right there.

No it is not.

Well there's no disputing that Austin is the capital of TX so you must be thinking Austin isn't generally anti gun.

Well, think again.

Read this:
http://thelibertybeat.com/gun-control-reaches-austin-texas/

In late March, the Austin City Council passed a broadly worded “illegal gun” resolution that supports Mayor Leffingwell’s membership in Mayors Against Illegal Guns, and more importantly, organizes local law enforcement to collaborate with the federal government in tracking down and arresting people who bear so-called “illegal guns.”

Since the enacting of the resolution Council Member Mike Martinez and Austin Police Chief Acevedo have made visits to Washington, D.C. to advocate for more severe gun control legislation.

The guy that lost the election was pro 2A.


Once Dallas's politicians are like Austin's, it will follow the mold of LA and San Fran domination CA and NYC dominating NY and Boulder and Denver dominating CO.