The Kel-Tec KSG got an upgrade!

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I'm sure some of you know about this, but for those of you who don't Kel-Tec has fixed virtually all the problems with the original KSG prototype. Check out this overview of a more recent model:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsJH5YMhKmM

In my opinion this design has a lot of potential, especially if you live in California and want some extra firepower. It's certainly versatile! What do you guys think?
 
Ugh... not more Kel-Tec bashing. Yes, they're simple and cheap. So what? They do what they're supposed to do. I'm also interested in the KSG as an option for HD.
 
It's still made by kel tec , though.
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A company whose pistol design (P3AT) was copied by Ruger & Taurus. Their SU2000, and SU16 rifles are solid, functional designs. I hear good things about the RFB, but there aren't a ton of them in circulation.
 
Gee's for all the bashing you would think they were 'ring of fire' guns

Yet, other companies fall over themselves to knock off their guns??

All I can say OOOH me wanty. but gun cost money, esp. new designs just out.
 
It's an interesting gun, but I wonder how many years it will be until it's actually available. And then, I wonder how many years it will be until you can find one for a fair price. I don't know since I haven't been following it, but how available is the RFB these days?

It's also kind of expensive.

Ugh... not more Kel-Tec bashing. Yes, they're simple and cheap. So what?
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That's an interesting way to describe the KSG.
 
@kozak6... when I wrote "simple and cheap" I meant the Kel-Tec line in general. Also, "cheap" was a poor choice of words. I meant "budget priced". The KSG will probably not be budget priced, however. At least not until the initial buying frenzy subsides.
 
Keltec forecasts a street price of $800. A recent gunbroker auction for a KSG finished at $4000.

Although it is a very cool shotgun, I don't know if it really is a better choice than a conventional shotgun and a mountain of ammo or a reloading press.
 
A KSG isn't worth $800 to me. I can have a fully converted and tweaked Saiga-12 and at least two 12 round drums for that much cash. And $4K is nothing less than insane... and stupid. I'd pay maybe $400-500 tops.
 
It looks really cool. 800 seems somewhat reasonable assuming it doesn't run into any problems down the road. About the Gunbroker sales, Keltec's website says this...

The bottom line is this: they are hoaxes. Kel-Tec has not shipped any weapons that are allowed to be sold. Up until this point all weapons shipped are for testing and evaluation purposes only and any testers caught selling a testing weapon will be dealt with on our end.

We have personally investigated all instances of KSGs being sold online and have deemed them all to be untrue. We caution the public to be wary of these sales as they do not have the product to provide to the winner of these auctions.
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http://www.keltecweapons.com/news/ksg-update-ii
 
Just out of curiosity, does anyone else see the KSG as a solution looking for a problem? A much simpler design, without the dual magazines, just an inexpensive and lightweight bullpup pump shotgun, would have sold like gangbusters IMHO. This design seems unnecessarily complex.
 
Andrew Wyatt said:
It's still made by kel tec , though.
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7even6ix2wo said:
At least it's not hi point
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Enough of the gun bashing... have either of you actually had a Hi Point or a Kel-Tec? I am willing to bet you haven't. Be quiet.


KSG is a neat design, but anything over $600 is kind of high. I also wouldn't replace my 870 with it. It's also fairly ugly and a full reload would take some time. I think for $800 I'd go for a Saiga.
 
Enough of the gun bashing... have either of you actually had a Hi Point or a Kel-Tec? I am willing to bet you haven't. Be quiet.
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I own a Hi-Point handgun, and have found it to be a design that fits the bill if all you want is a gun that "goes bang" most of the time.


As for the KSG, it's a neat design, and an example of unique thinking applied to figuring out how to solve the low round payload that most shotguns seem to suffer from.

Assuming the design can stand up to seriously high round counts, it would probably make for a good choice in a defensive firearm, or for someone looking to shoot He-Man division in 3 Gun.

However, until the guns actually hit the street and people are able to test them under circumstances that stress both the user and the gun, I'm holding my breath.

Other than that, the only other issue I have with it is that it's manually-operated.
 
Kel-tec still cant get functional RFB's out the door in quantity.

there are standardized instructions on KTOG for modifying their pistols to work properly.

everything Kel-tec makes is a neat idea that lacks execution.

I want all of their guns to work and be reliable because they're neat ideas. IME and in the experience of people i trust, they don't.
 
Price will definitely be the deciding factor for many of us.

Having said that, anyone care to brainstorm the possibilities?

I can actually see the design being very handy and versatile with the ability to load light, small game loads in one mag tube while loading the other with heavy buck or slugs.

Whether it's a survival situation and you're only planning to hunt rodents, birds, etc. in a specific area and you happen upon a nice fat piggy OR you're hunting small game and you're accosted by larger game, including that of the 2-legged variety, I could see this design being much more beneficial than your traditional single tube shotgun.

What say you?
 
I will definitely be getting one as soon as they are available at my LGS. It looks like a good option for home defense.

I've got a PMR-30 on order and I'm glad for the wait... It gave them time to fix all the problems they were having with the design. Kel-Tec has some great ideas, but they try to bring them to market too fast. The result is a year spent ironing out issues that should have been discovered in R&D.

I have owned a P-3AT in the past and I carry a P-32 everyday and it is as reliable as any automatic I've ever shot. I have never had a single problem with either gun. I don't expect them to have the service life of a Glock or the class of a Les Baer 1911, but they works for me.

I guess we'll see what the future holds for Kel-Tec... If their production capabilities ever catch up with their innovation (or their marketing department), I would hate to be a competitor.
 
I can have a fully converted and tweaked Saiga-12 and at least two 12 round drums for that much cash
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That is a foot longer, weighs twice as much and cannot select or cut off magazines with a thumb switch.

If you like the Saiga better, great. If you don't think the KSG is worth the price, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But you really can't compare it to anything else. It is truly a unique and innovative design.
 
Originally posted by MachIVShooter:
If you don't think the KSG is worth the price, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But you really can't compare it to anything else. It is truly a unique and innovative design.
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I agree. The implications of such a versatile design are very interesting and seem applicable to many different scenarios.

How bout this: Breaching rounds in one tube and defensive buck and/or slugs in the other?

How bout this: Signal or flammable rounds in one tube and defensive in the other?

Or this: Less lethal bean bag or rubber rounds in one tube and full power defensive rounds in the other?

I'm really liking this KSG concept.
 
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