The Militia Threat Is Real

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The Militia Threat Is Real

By Trevor Bothwell on 08/20/03
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In this post-September 11 world, the threat and reality of domestic terrorism are all too well known. Americans have finally begun to take seriously the risks we face from international menaces like Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.

But do threats to our sovereignty always originate outside our borders? In his book, Terrorists Among Us, Captain Robert L. Snow outlines the potential dangers we face from the modern militia movement right here in the United States.

So who belongs to militias? Capt. Snow explains that militias are usually comprised of people who are not adjusting well to modern society, to the changing roles of women, or to the racial balancing finally taking place. The most radical fringe of the militia movement often sympathizes with racist organizations such as the Ku Klux Klan, the Aryan Nations, or any general anti-Semitic or neo-Nazi organization like the National Alliance.

However, the author cautions that “it is a mistake to believe that the civilian militias in our country consist only of angry, unemployed, young, white males,†explaining that the movement often attracts older people who may have been downsized out of jobs, or who may have seen careers disappear to foreign outsourcing. Militia members are generally confused, angry and frightened, and militias give them someone to blame.

One of the most widely held beliefs of militia members is that the federal government is a co-conspirator with the United Nations, where the ultimate plan is to usurp sovereignty from Americans and thus effect international takeover of the country. Hence, militia members are almost always strict adherents to the Constitution, and oppose just about any government restriction that threatens individual rights. And nothing is more important to the militia movement than the Second Amendment, the right to keep and bear arms.

Weapons and ammunition are the top priority for militias. “They come before eating out at restaurants,†says Snow. “They come before buying camping equipment or taking vacations. They come before making any purchases other than the bare necessities.†After all, one needs to be prepared when the takeover begins.

The notion of conspiracies dominates the psyches of militia members. Capt. Snow writes that one of the prevalent beliefs of militias was that the year 2000 would be the year of the New World Order, the organization secretly controlling the United Nations, which plans total world domination.

Will the fact that three years have passed since this (ostensibly) faulty prediction assuage the concerns of militias? Not necessarily, says Snow. He states: “[P]roving the evidence of the conspiracies held by militia members was actually just mistakes, misjudgments, or coincidence can also be near impossible, because for those in the militia movement who believe in these various conspiracies, mistakes, misjudgments, and coincidences simply do not occur.†In other words, to militia members, the more unlikely a conspiracy seems to others merely proves just how effective the conspirators are in covering up their true intentions.

The interesting aspect about this book is that it was written in 1999 (indeed, the author writes in what is to him the present and future, as the reader retains the benefit of hindsight to judge his accuracy). Its place on our reading list is obviously appropriate today, as our awareness of terrorism is heightened. Still, the reader gets an eerie feeling as the author describes the Oklahoma City bombing by Timothy McVeigh as the most devastating attack on American soil. But understanding now that we could face threats simultaneously, from terrorist groups both abroad and domestic, should be enough to strike fear and caution into the hearts of all decent Americans.

Terrorists Among Us it not pleasure reading. The information at times becomes redundant, as when the author points out several times over the influence that conspiracy theories retain over militia members. But while not exactly a page-turner, this book clearly boasts pertinent information about domestic terrorism that the general reader is not likely to acquire unless he seeks it out.

While Capt. Snow is careful to admit that not all militia members prescribe to some of the more desperate and radical views that lead to tragic events like Columbine, Waco or Oklahoma City, he indirectly makes the case for profiling as a means of law enforcement. Most militia members are law-abiding citizens; many are people who believe the federal government exercises too much authority over us, but they have no ambition to wreak havoc over the lives of others.

However, recent events have shown that while the majority of any group is usually harmless, the radical fringe can often prove very dangerous, even deadly. Neglecting to identify the rotten apples in an otherwise acceptable bunch is a recipe for disaster only a terrorist could love.
 
Bah humbug!

Not quite sure how to respond to this piece of 'Fanning the Flames' Ka Ka.

while the majority of any group is usually harmless, the radical fringe can often prove very dangerous, even deadly

So...is there ANY group out there that this saying isn't true of? I mean, come on. It doesn't just apply to 'militia' members...let's look at any organized religion! Or environmentalists! Or Mothers! Thanks for the info MOTO.

And then there is this line:

Weapons and ammunition are the top priority for militias. “They come before eating out at restaurants,†says Snow

That one's hitting just a little too close to home, especially since part of my plan for saving to get a new gun is giving up eating out once a month! But,that is the same way I plan on saving for a new TV! Does that mean I am going to open a pirate TV Station?

Bah.

Who is this author? Just what is Mr. Robert L. Snow a Captain in? Air Force? Marines? Police? Salvation Army? Or maybe a member of some rival Militia Force, trying to lure us into a false sence of security before the New World Order :barf: strikes.

Wasn't Hulk Hogan a member of the NWO in Pro-Wrestling?

On the other hand though, from the page of the story, you can find a cute article about what a joke Janine Garrapholo(spelling? ahhh...who cares)

greg
 
Robert L Snow

Just to satisfy my curiosity, I did a search for Mr. Snow...Head of the Indianapolis Homicide Department.

he also has several other books out:

SWAT Teams, Stopping the Stalker, The complete Guide to Personal and Home Safety, and Looking for Carroll Beckwith, where he attempts to prove that he lived a former life.


Any read any of his other books?
 
Looking for Carroll Beckwith, where he attempts to prove that he lived a former life.
:what:

I hope he finds his former life he definetly needs a new one :)

Read this book several years ago ( pre 9-11 ) was not impressed. IMHO it was merely a book due to the media fixation on the militia invovlement of Timothy McVeigh (SP?) Much like the " White Van" in the beltway shootings.

I threw the book out after reading which is atypical for me I save everything but real bad books for my library

NukemJim
 
Most militias/survivalists are harmless. Even the head of FBI's HRT (Danny Coulsen, no friend of the militia movement) said as much both in his book "No Heroes" and on national TV. They may have some wierd ideas about the UN and conspiracy theories, and they may have some strongly held political beliefs, but most of them don't threaten people or commit crimes. If they want to get together on weekends and shoot tin cans and dress up in camo, so what? They're not hurting anyone. This article is fear mongering at its worst.

There's a book out called "Nazis, Communists, Klansmen and Others on the Fringe" about extremist groups, written by two slightly left wing civil libertarians. Anyone with access to a copy read the chapter on militias for the real deal.
 
This is exactly the kind of mentality that is part and parcel of Matthew Bracken 's new book "Enemies Foreign And Domestic".

I was going to wait till my copy arrived to read the thing, but was stuck working grave shift this week so I went to the free chapters section on Bracken's Website and plowed through all of the 'in order' chapters (so as not to ruin the plot for myself.

Can not believe how well art imitates life imitating art.

Can not wait to get the book in my hands and read the rest of it.

Charles

bookcover.jpg
 
Okay, let's see, now . . .

RKBA supporter says,"The Second Amendment guarantees individuals the right to keep and bear arms to defend the nation and Constitution of the USA, if & when necessary, and even references "militia."

"Anti" replies,"Pshaw, there's no way individual defensive arms could be effective against a coordinated hostile attack, so it's unnecessary and ridiculous."

RKBA supporter says, "The right to keep and bear arms is an individual right, to guarantee the people will be able to defend themselves and society against criminal assailants, outlaws, and large groups of rioters when the police prove inadequate to deal with the problem."

"Anti" replies, "But those militias are such a threat! They could wipe out our entire society with their individual small arms!!"

It's like trying to argue with a 2 year old; with no basis in reality, the base of the argument floats all over the place.

Simple fact: The Second Amendment recognizes a nation of armed and determined, law-abiding citizens is the greatest threat to tyranny, whether individual (home invaders) or organized (such a nation can be destroyed, but never conquered, and the price to the destroyer will be astronomical).
:rolleyes:
 
A. This is a load of fearmongering, stereotype propagating crap.

B. (Going along with my maxim that all stereotypes have a kernel of truth) A bunch of fat, bearded crackers in camouflage overalls gabbing on about the New World Order in a thick drawl do not inspire much concern in my mind.
 
Simple fact: The Second Amendment recognizes a nation of armed and determined, law-abiding citizens is the greatest threat to tyranny...

And THAT'S why politicians & socialist liberals like the author are terrified of RKBA...

Tyranny is the only way that a socialist agenda has been able to keep long-term power, so any threat to tyranny is a threat to them.

Milita members: Keep up the good work... :cool:
 
Capt. Snow explains that militias are usually comprised of people who are not adjusting well to modern society, to the changing roles of women, or to the racial balancing finally taking place.

Not adjusting well to modern society...what a crock. Do you find democratic socialism slightly stiffling? Uh Oh, You might not be "adjusting well to modern society". I guess me and my college-edumakated friends must be total nuts.

atek3
 
I believe in the militia's regardless of this buffon's scaremongering.

As per usual, a few chuckle-heads have ruined it for everyone else.

Wasn't Tim M. kicked out of, or not accepted in the militia he tried to become apart of?
 
There have been instances where rogue militia members, dissatisfied with the lack of "will" to make a stand have gone out on their own and caused some damage.

Wasn't McVeigh one such animal that came from that scenario?

I'd say there could be reason to watch the militias and that they have the potential to have members go "postal" at anytime. Sure would be prudent to keep an eye on the members to my thinking.

The "whole" of a militia unit may not be a real threat, but the individuals who gravitate to that type of org have shown, at times, a propensity to sheer away from the main body and become a potential probelm.

Prudence would dictate they keep tabs on them from past history before it can repeat itself.

Brownie
 
Militia is good.
And one of the foundation stones of our Republic.
Bad can be found in any group.
A bad pickle does not the jar spoil.

Bothwell, and others of his ilk, are a risk to the Republic.

As are most politicians and other criminals.

Sam
 
While Capt. Snow is careful to admit that not all militia members prescribe to some of the more desperate and radical views that lead to tragic events like Columbine, Waco or Oklahoma City, he indirectly makes the case for profiling as a means of law enforcement.


"…makes the case for profiling…" Hmmm, really? Whites, religious, loners, teenagers, former military, Blacks, video game players, trench coat wearers? How about, tada, GUN OWNERS!!??

"… is careful to admit that not all militia members prescribe to some of the more desperate and radical views that lead to tragic events like Columbine, Waco…" Pure B.S. And I'm careful to admit that not all media members prescribe to some of the more desperate and radical views that lead to tragic events like Hiroshima, Dresden and the World Trade Center. Sheesh
:barf:
 
I read it as I usualy read these anti gun/anti prepardness books and as usual it was a load of horse apples.
 
the battleground of language

So "militia" is now a dirty word? I suppose "citizen" is next?
Yes, we have so much to fear from those wackjobs who keep referring
to that terrorist document called The U.S. Constitution (I hark
back to the directive from, what was it, the Arizona branch of the
FBI: watch out for Constitution-quoting types).

America has a lot more to fear from soccer moms than from militias.
In the end we will need to mobilize far and wide to repel the very real
threats that are massing to destroy our inalienable freedoms.
 
I've no doubt that there are a few militia crackpots out there that see black helicoptors in their sleep, BUT I think that elitist politicians and bureaucrats who want to run our lives from how much water our toilet uses to taxing the air we breath are a MUCH larger threat to our Republic.
 
Hence, militia members are almost always strict adherents to the Constitution, and oppose just about any government restriction that threatens individual rights
That is just sick!!! What kind of wackos want to adhere to the Constitution and and keep the government from restricting individuals rights. How is a government supposed to operate if it can't do whatever it wants? These people should be locked up and sent to a retraining camp at the very least. How can the government take care of me if people keep trying to limit what it can do for me?????
 
While it is far too easy to poke fun at the good author, keep in mind he is only reflecting the attitude of the administration of our blessedly former president. Clinton, Clinton, Gore, and Reno (CCGO) convinced themselves the gravest threat to the republic can from internal militia movements. A lot of investigation of these subversive groups was done. Plans were put in place to move against various militia groups. The situation was perceived to be sufficiently bad for some militia members and leadership to move their families out of the US.
 
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