The Militia Threat Is Real

[Hutch]

Brownie, the connection to the militree is just as valid as your juxtaposition of him with "The Militia". Care to comment about my (and others') assertions regarding the connection between the DNC, Al Gore's book, and the Unibomber or ELF?

 

[Art Eatman]

Brownie, one biographical news article on McVeigh included the datum that he was apparently "into" racist literature while in the Army, long before he ever approached a militia group.

A couple or three years back, there were some news reports of young people from some of the more radical backgrounds/families joining the Army in order to get the training. The idea was that the knowledge would be useful after they finished the term of enlistment. One would thus be forced to categorize all ex-GIs as potential problems since we don't know which GIs fit into some "bad" group.

Aside from the legality or the morality of playing Big Brother, the idea of surveilling all militia groups on the off chance of finding a potential nutcase is not at all cost effective. To date, no open-to-the-public militia has ever provided a problem. Sorta reminds me of the Hoover era, when the KKK membership was alleged to include more FBI people than actual racists.

Active hate groups are another matter. Active hate groups, however, are readily identifiable as to potential problems. In general, there is no real resemblance to what we think of as "militia", nor do they fit the implicit legal requirement of "good character".

Art

 

[brownie0486]

Art:
Good post,
agreed
Brownie

 

[Hutch]

Brownie, the connection to the militree is just as valid as your juxtaposition of him with "The Militia". Care to comment about my (and others') assertions regarding the connection between the DNC, Al Gore's book, and the Unibomber or ELF?

I guess not.

 

[Art Eatman]

One thing I've noticed at the local level of law enforcement is that the more competent LEOs have a pretty good idea about the character of many in a community, or in the area in which they patrol. There's a good bit of knowleged about who's a trouble-maker, or who's just jackin' his jaws with mouth music. This doesn't result from spying; it's mostly due to being out and around people over a period of time and being reasonably observant.

Seems to me that problems can arise when outsider LEOs--ATF or FBI, for instance--come in with preconceived notions and don't take advantage of the local knowledge that's available. I've seen this several times in my own area...

Art

 

[goon]

I was also taught how to effectively kill in the military as well. Never thought about doing an OKC bombing due to my hatred for the .govs though. That attitude was fostered by the militias

Violent people are violent people.
Many of us have had similar training, yet none of us would do anything like what was done at OKC.
I don't think that the militias cause anger against the government, I think that the actions of the government cause the militias.
If they hadn't gone on that whole runaway government power trip, there would not have been as many militia groups springing up all over during that period.
Militias are the effect, not the cause.

 

[ravinraven]

Moonitoring Liberty

There is a movement that I've heard about called the Liberty Monitors or the American Liberty Monitors. This group's camo is the three piece suit.

They pick certain cases and observe if any BoR provisions have been busted in the govt's dealings with individuals. If a "true bill" is returned from their studies, the individual(s) who did it is/are in deep doo-doo.

For example, the various "forfeiture" actions where a suspect has his property stolen by the government before trial, say nothing about before conviction, is clearly unconstitutional. Unconstitutional laws have been allowed to stand by the government paid nine "stooges." Under these laws, your land can be grabbed if the government merely suspects that some other person unknown to you concluded a drug deal on it. The actions are money grabs and your lawyer fees will be astronomical if you try to get your property back. The LMs will "take out" the people who do any unconstitutional action against you.

They claim some successful "take outs" already.

The clearly unconstitutional "breathalyser" tests where you are automatically convicted of statutory DWI if you do not give evidence against yourself is another area of interest to the LMs. Participate in the unconstitutional "evidence" grab and you could be signing your own death warrant.

The LMs theory is that the people who do the anti BoR acts are easier to get at than the people who originate the laws. The king can't rob the peasants if the robbers keep dying.

I was approached by a member of the group because of noises I have made against the whole concept of predatory law enforcement against the honest work-a-day citizen. He was a bit too spooky for this old boy who used to be a "spook" on a SAC bomber so I respectfully declined his offer. Then I felt like I had betrayed the original people who created this republic. All talk and no action.

Has anyone heard of this "militia" movement? They sound dangerous to nobody but the rights grabbers.

ravinraven