The most durable/reliable 9mm that money can buy???
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jmresistance
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Can't beat the Glock 17. It's not the only good option, but you would never regret it.
meanmrmustard
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I like the S&W sigma 9ve. Never a jam, light, comfortable, affordable. Glocks are good too, but I don't like their grips, even the newer ones. But, it's reliable. So, I'd say the sigma, g17, and sig 226.
Wags
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Browning Hi-Power. If you have to ask now you've already missed the boat.....
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If durability and reliability are the primary concerns I'd go with the Glock 17.
It's a big pistol for a 9mm so it's gonna soak up a lot of punishment even from +P ammo. With the tenifer finish and polymer frame it's extremely corrosion resistant, and it's a very comfortable and controllable pistol to shoot.
As for reliability the Glocks are legendary for it and the 9mm Glocks like the G17 have never had the KB issues the .40s did.
Plus all the accessories, parts, and reasonably priced mags you could ever want or need.
Now of course there are nicer looking, better status symbols, out there if you want something fancier.
It's a big pistol for a 9mm so it's gonna soak up a lot of punishment even from +P ammo. With the tenifer finish and polymer frame it's extremely corrosion resistant, and it's a very comfortable and controllable pistol to shoot.
As for reliability the Glocks are legendary for it and the 9mm Glocks like the G17 have never had the KB issues the .40s did.
Plus all the accessories, parts, and reasonably priced mags you could ever want or need.
Now of course there are nicer looking, better status symbols, out there if you want something fancier.
TexasBill
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Glocks are fine pistols but they aren't the holy grail. There are many other equally fine pistols on the market. (My own aversion to Glocks has nothing whatsoever to do with their quality, reliability or suitability for you, it's a personal issue: they don't feel right in my hand and I don't like funny triggers.)
If the money isn't an object, the SIG P210 would be hard to beat. Another top-flight single-action pistol is the Browning High-Power that has received a number of recommendations. The SIG P226 German is also a nice gun.
One polymer pistol I have seen mentioned just once is the FN-Herstal FNP-9 or FNX-9. Both are really nice pistols at a reasonable price. They are comfortable in the hand and have a superb trigger pull for a mid-priced pistol.
The Beretta PX4 Storm F is also very nice, though it is sensitive to limp-wristing. The rotary barrel action really dampens the recoil.
H&K makes an excellent 9mm, as does Smith & Wesson and the Walther P99 would be one of the few striker-fired pistols I would consider.
You've got a wonderful opportunity, so take your time, try as many as you can, and find the one that's right for you.
If the money isn't an object, the SIG P210 would be hard to beat. Another top-flight single-action pistol is the Browning High-Power that has received a number of recommendations. The SIG P226 German is also a nice gun.
One polymer pistol I have seen mentioned just once is the FN-Herstal FNP-9 or FNX-9. Both are really nice pistols at a reasonable price. They are comfortable in the hand and have a superb trigger pull for a mid-priced pistol.
The Beretta PX4 Storm F is also very nice, though it is sensitive to limp-wristing. The rotary barrel action really dampens the recoil.
H&K makes an excellent 9mm, as does Smith & Wesson and the Walther P99 would be one of the few striker-fired pistols I would consider.
You've got a wonderful opportunity, so take your time, try as many as you can, and find the one that's right for you.
rellascout
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Why was this thread brought back from the dead. The orginal OP was in 02/2010.... 
For the record it stated:
So many of the guns which have been mentioned do not fit the critieria given in the orginal post. IMHO
The P210 is a great gun. Maybe one the best 9mm ever made but as a defensive weapon,which the OPs call for reliablity and durablity seem to imply, IMHO it falls short. There are so many 9mms which are easier to operate, will have less user error, have greater capacity and are cheaper and easier to maintain. I personally would not want to take one of these to a tactical shooting course where I had to fire 1000+ rounds.
To me the orignal post is asking about a combat 9mms. For me durablity of a combat gun is the ability to fire a lot of rounds in a short period of time without cleaning the gun. Here is my list in no particular order these guns should be considered. These are guns which you can take to a pistol training course and shoot 1000+ rounds in a day out of an expect them to perform without issue. That is not to say you will not have a stoppage but that you are minimizing your chances of one. I am sure I missed a few but I am listing only guns I have personally shot extensively.
In the end its all about what you shoot best. 99% of guns sold in this country are never going to be shot to the point of failure due to metal fatigue of their major parts. Yes springs, slide stops, hammers, sears, safeties etc might wear out but frame a slide failure unless it happens early almost never appears. So in a lot of ways the question is moot.
How many people replying to this thread have shot a 9mm to the point of failure that was not caused by a defect in materials or ammo related? I am talking about 30,000 to 50,000 rounds. The avg gun is going to be able to shoot more rounds than most shooters will ever send down the pipe in a lifetime. The orginal OP did not specify what he meant by "durable and reliable" so I guess that is why there are so many correct answers. LOL
For the record it stated:
So many of the guns which have been mentioned do not fit the critieria given in the orginal post. IMHO
The P210 is a great gun. Maybe one the best 9mm ever made but as a defensive weapon,which the OPs call for reliablity and durablity seem to imply, IMHO it falls short. There are so many 9mms which are easier to operate, will have less user error, have greater capacity and are cheaper and easier to maintain. I personally would not want to take one of these to a tactical shooting course where I had to fire 1000+ rounds.
To me the orignal post is asking about a combat 9mms. For me durablity of a combat gun is the ability to fire a lot of rounds in a short period of time without cleaning the gun. Here is my list in no particular order these guns should be considered. These are guns which you can take to a pistol training course and shoot 1000+ rounds in a day out of an expect them to perform without issue. That is not to say you will not have a stoppage but that you are minimizing your chances of one. I am sure I missed a few but I am listing only guns I have personally shot extensively.
- Glock 19
- Glock 17
- Sig P228
- Sig P226
- BHP
- CZ 75B
- Beretta 92FS
- HK P30
In the end its all about what you shoot best. 99% of guns sold in this country are never going to be shot to the point of failure due to metal fatigue of their major parts. Yes springs, slide stops, hammers, sears, safeties etc might wear out but frame a slide failure unless it happens early almost never appears. So in a lot of ways the question is moot.
How many people replying to this thread have shot a 9mm to the point of failure that was not caused by a defect in materials or ammo related? I am talking about 30,000 to 50,000 rounds. The avg gun is going to be able to shoot more rounds than most shooters will ever send down the pipe in a lifetime. The orginal OP did not specify what he meant by "durable and reliable" so I guess that is why there are so many correct answers. LOL
ol' scratch
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I would vote CZ 75 followed by a Browning Hi Power. The ergonomics are much better on both of these than they ever have been on a Glock. Don't get me wrong, the Glocks are a great pistol. I decided not to get one due to the spotty record with reloads and the poor ergonomics for me.
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No one has been able to match the popularity or sales volume of the Big Mac globally either.
The Big Mac still sucks as a hamburger for anyone who has more than lowest common denominator standards.
SharpsDressedMan
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I want to go on notice here with those that always have a problem with a thread being resurrected. What's the problem? There is ALWAYS more information to be had, another viewpoint, etc. Let a new member speak, or a new idea come around. Or even rehash an old idea to see what holds water. If it bothers you that much, DON'T READ IT! I'd like to slace this in a "sticky", but the person that needs to read it wouldn't read it anyway.............
meanmrmustard
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+1 for pizza gunner!
Glock is defined as reliable and trustworthy...and annoying to discuss, ugly, uncomfortable, and talked about incessantly. They'll be around long after we are, I'm sure. But when I'm target shooting in heaven/hell, it'll be with something like a p226.
Glock is defined as reliable and trustworthy...and annoying to discuss, ugly, uncomfortable, and talked about incessantly. They'll be around long after we are, I'm sure. But when I'm target shooting in heaven/hell, it'll be with something like a p226.
SharpsDressedMan
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Economically, the Big Mac will keep you alive longer than the high priced burgers. You get 4-6 Big Macs for the price of every sports bar burger.
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I agree with the sigma.
Great cheap gun!
*swyped from the evo so excuse any typos*
Well yeah Sigmas are a decent pistol but they're such a blatant rip-off of Glock's design that Glock sued and won a patent infringement case against S&W.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/397138/the_smith_and_wesson_sigma_series_pistol.html
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/397138/the_smith_and_wesson_sigma_series_pistol.html
Really?
Originally Posted by w2fnt
"Glock seems to be the trend setter ...." if you say so. What trends has Glock started in the past 20 years? Now compare and contrast to Walther, Sig, Fnh, and H&K. Paper due by COB Friday. Sources and citations please.
Originally Posted by w2fnt
"Glock seems to be the trend setter ...." if you say so. What trends has Glock started in the past 20 years? Now compare and contrast to Walther, Sig, Fnh, and H&K. Paper due by COB Friday. Sources and citations please.
You just described a Glock.
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Jonah71
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I honestly don't see dependability as the serious concern it once was when buying handguns. It's now a matter of choice. There really aren't many undependable guns on the market these days and when a serious problem does come up, it's usually dealt with quickly. Seriously, I don't hear the term "jamomatic" nearly as often as I did in the 70's-80's. I've become somewhat of a Glock fan lately. But I've also purchased CZ's, Springfields, Bersa's, Tauri (that was a very dependable 9mm) and several other brands. The new Ruger 1911 is calling my name the past few days, But my wallet says NO(for now). Like wcoats and several others have said, shoot what feels best to you and what you shoot the best.
meanmrmustard
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Well yeah Sigmas are a decent pistol but they're such a blatant rip-off of Glock's design that Glock sued and won a patent infringement case against S&W.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...es_pistol.html
Well, that particular case was the Sigma V series, an older design of the weapon. The Sigma VE series is the gun Im referring to. As for that case, who cares? Theres umpteen makers of 1911 variations (I know the patent is expired, so dont bother), but that doesnt stop them from being made in every color of the rainbow. Besides, if the Sigma shoots like a Glock, strips like a Glock, is reliable (in my own opinion, cuz I own one), is COMFORTABLE (something I shall never attribute to a Glock), has excellent customer service support, and is substantially cheaper than a Glock...then screw Glock!!! Instead of suing Smith and Wesson, Glock shoulda took notes on how they made a knock off of their own gun more ergonomic.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...es_pistol.html
Well, that particular case was the Sigma V series, an older design of the weapon. The Sigma VE series is the gun Im referring to. As for that case, who cares? Theres umpteen makers of 1911 variations (I know the patent is expired, so dont bother), but that doesnt stop them from being made in every color of the rainbow. Besides, if the Sigma shoots like a Glock, strips like a Glock, is reliable (in my own opinion, cuz I own one), is COMFORTABLE (something I shall never attribute to a Glock), has excellent customer service support, and is substantially cheaper than a Glock...then screw Glock!!! Instead of suing Smith and Wesson, Glock shoulda took notes on how they made a knock off of their own gun more ergonomic.
KodiakBeer
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Yeah, but if you want the best you'll go with a premium rib eye steak. Which, means you'll buy the Hi Power.
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