The Senate needs to act, gun owners need to speak on this one - S. 659

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Smith and Wesson screwing the pooch AGAIN??? Say it isn't so Joe, say it isn't so.

S&W's Latest Blunder Endangers Passage of S659…


This is really much, much bigger than just S&W…

Entire industry embarrassed just in time for Lawsuit Immunity vote

But then it always is, isn't it? Something seems to come along to screw the Pro-Gun pooch just before a key vote! The letters to your Senators are really critical now… there's far too many pants-wetters on the Hill.




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UPDATE:

The Brady Campaign has released an alert to its members indicating the vote may be moved up and could take place as early as FEBRUARY 24.

If you haven't contacted your Senators yet, NOW is the time to do it

Call the Capitol Switchboard at: 202-224-3121.
Ask for your U.S. Senator.
Tell your Senator to support a clean (without anti-gun amendments) version of the NRA's Legal Immunity Bill (S. 659)

http://www.jointogether.org/gv/news/alerts/reader/0,2061,569184,00.html
 
Bartholomew Roberts wrote:

UPDATE:

The Brady Campaign has released an alert to its members indicating the vote may be moved up and could take place as early as FEBRUARY 24.

If you haven't contacted your Senators yet, NOW is the time to do it

Call the Capitol Switchboard at: 202-224-3121.
Ask for your U.S. Senator.
Tell your Senator to support a clean (without anti-gun amendments) version of the NRA's Legal Immunity Bill (S. 659)

http://www.jointogether.org/gv/news...,569184,00.html

For those readers who are to poor to afford a long distance call, or to cheap to make one, the following is the TOLL FREE number for CAPITOL SWITCHBOARD. 1-800-648-3516. Just tell the lady who answers which office you want to speak with, and they put the call through. Should all else fail, Senators and Congressmen have local district offices too.

It all boils down to the following. There is absolutely no excuse, or virtually no excuse, for anyone not contacting their elected things on ANY matter of concern to them. How much good phone calls do is perhaps arguable, but it's sort of like voting, and the man or woman who opined that the reason they never voted was because THEIR VOTE DOESN'T COUNT. It most certainly doesn't, especially when it's not cast.

Don't forget, opposition to S. 1034, H.R. 2038 and "the usual suspects" is needed too.
 
GW already stated that he would sign an AWB renewal, if it appears on his desk. Be sure the anti-freedom and anti liberty crowd will find a way that it appears right there...

GW used just ONE veto up to now, and that for keeping the unconstitutional "Patriot Act" going...

Hail to the "compassionate conservative" that signs the mutilation of the 1st amendment, vetoes an attempt to make the "Patriot Act" less frightening, and keeps the BORDERS WIDE OPEN!!!
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But...but...we gotta stand behind Bush, or one of those "Anti-Freedom, Tax-&-Spend Democrats" might get in!!! :rolleyes:

And the difference between R & D is what, again? :confused:
 
Samurai, to answer your question, the difference is ONE gun issue versus damn near all of them. Sorry for hollering, but GET IT!!! P.S. Between the R and D's, who is the most solid on AWB and S.659? There is a difference. If you can't see that, other than 2nd Amendent issues have blinded you, or they carry a bigger priority. Nothing wrong with that, I guess, but please be honest about it.
 
There is absolutely no excuse, or virtually no excuse, for anyone not contacting their elected things on ANY matter of concern to them.
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Unless, of course, your Senators are Lautenberg and Corzine. :cuss:
 
 
Unless, of course, your Senators are Lautenberg and Corzine.
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… or Clinton and Schumer, or the "Boxstein Bitches," Babs and not-so-Lady-like Di!

That's a six-vote handicap right there, so extreme pressure must be brought to bare!

 
 
Dean Speir, Rovert and anyone else who might be interested:

Even with "the terrible 6, or any part thereof, "representing" you in the U.S. Senate, maintaining contact with these clowns might not be quite the waste that some would describe it as being.
 
CCRKBA ACTION ALERT!
CONTACT YOUR SENATOR, URGE SUPPORT FOR S.659

The U.S. Senate appears ready to debate S. 659, the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act on Wednesday, Feb. 25, and gun owners need to call Capitol Hill and urge their Senators to support these measures and block a filibuster, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA) said today.

"The other side has pulled out all the stops to defeat this important measure," said CCRKBA Chairman Alan M. Gottlieb. "Gun rights activists who want to help preserve the firearms industry, and bring an end to years of costly, frivolous lawsuits against perfectly legal businesses, need to call their Senators now.

"Anti-gunners will be flooding the Capitol switchboard with telephone calls on Tuesday," Gottlieb said. "Firearms owners need to counter that with the same energy and devotion to our civil rights as the other side is showing in their effort to destroy the Second Amendment. Senators need to hear from their constituents and the message should be loud and clear: Pass S. 659, with no anti-gun amendments."

S.659 would stop frivolous lawsuits against the firearms industry and law-abiding gun dealers. These lawsuits have been consistently thrown out of court, Gottlieb noted, because they are without merit. In a couple of cases, cities have dropped their legal actions, either because they found out during discovery that they had no case, or because they could not produce documentation to support their specious claims, he noted.

On Tuesday, he said, gun owners calling the Capitol Switchboard at 202-224-3121 should ask to be connected with their U.S. Senators. Be prepared to call twice to reach both Senators from your state.

Call between the hours of 9 am and 1 pm EST. That means calls from the Central Time Zone should be made between 8 a.m. and 12 Noon. Calls from the Mountain Time Zone should be made between 7 a.m. and 11 a.m. Calls from the West Coast need to be made between 6 a.m. and 10 a.m.

"The anti-gun crowd is calling Tuesday its 'national call-in day' to try and stop this legislation, which President Bush has already said he would sign," Gottlieb stressed. "Gun owners need to turn Tuesday into a 'national gun rights victory day'."

With more than 650,000 members and supporters nationwide, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is one of the nation's premier gun rights organizations. As a non-profit organization, the Citizens Committee is dedicated to preserving firearms freedoms through active lobbying of elected officials and facilitating grass-roots organization of gun rights activists in local communities throughout the United States.

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Re calling Senators on S. 659 or anything else, and or congress persons, the TOLL FREE number for CAPITOL SWITCHBOARD is 1-800-648-3516. Wonder why I seem to be the ONLY PERSON who posts it?

Anyhow, make the calls, whichever number you use. The one I offered will simply save the caller a little money.

Additional anti-gun/anti civil rights legislation, they are the same thing, are unacceptable in any guise, and there never was/nor is there now, a Gun Show Loophole.

Your elected things, re anti-gun legiuslation, must hear a thunderous NO. Matter of fact, the time for REPEAL might be now. Think about it, better yet, write some letters, send some e-mail, make some phone calls.
 
I wish S659 would just go away for a year. I know it is important but I'm afraid a few Republicans might decide to "compromise." I have emailed my Congressman and Senators and even joined the GOA. Thanks for posting the switchboard number, when you call it do you get an answering macine or a living person? I'll have to call tomorrow.
 
No4Mk1*:

When you dial into the toll free number I posted, you get a real human being, most often a lady, who inquires as to whom it is you wish to speak with.

As I said, they will then put your call through to whichever senate or congressional office you wish to speak with. At that point, you might be put on to a recorder, usually you will get to speak with a staff person, with whom you can leave a message, or ask to speak with someone in particular, for instance, regarding firearms legislation, the staffer involved with that particular subject. Take it from there. As S. 659 being put off for a year, think about this.

No matter how dumb the suit I choose to bring against you might be, you have to defend against it, which costs you money, perhaps lots of money. Assuming that there a lot of people willoing to bring these ridiculous suits, another year could mean a whole lot of money down the drain, and by the way, it is you, the end user that ultimately pays the costs, in increased prices for the guns that you buy. Failing that, you might still pay a cost, this time one expressed in reduced choices, this the result of smaller firms having been driven into bankruptcy, as has happened.

As to any who might choose to "compromise", be they Republicans or Democrats, they are "compromising" you down the river. There are elections this year, so this is a good time to find out which way the land lays, so to speak. Put it off, and the whore politicans will play on the demonstrated "short memories" of the electorate, and they might win their bet.

Some will disagree with me, particularly on this last. I merely call them as I see them,
 
NYPatriot and others:

The form letters you posted might be useful, though I prefer doing my own writing. This A.M., I spent about 15 minutes on the telephone, via 1-800-648-3516. I spoke with the D.C. offices of my senators and congress person.

Left messages with senators urginging strong support for S. 659, a clean version, opposition to "closing of gun show loophole" which does not exist, opposition to reauthorization or extention of Assault Weapons Ban, as well as noting that gun control legislation is a fraud, that where enacted has yet to perform as promised. Left my name and address of course. It was quick and easy, and there seems little to prevent anyone from doing pretty much the same thing, assuming that they are willing to spend a moment or so, protecting their rights.

Another post specified a different TOLL FREE number, 1-800-839-5276. I rang that number, and left word with the offices of Senator Mitch McConnell. That took all of a couple of minutes.

Re people who just cannot find the time to take any action, even something as easy as picking up a telephone, one is either part of the solution, or they are part of the problem. Re those who cannot take even the small action of using a telephone, their location is, sad to note, all to obvious.
 
UPDATE:

S.659 has been dropped and a similar version (still clean and written by NRA Board of Director Larry Craig) called S.1805 is now being considered.

For those who want to see the exact text, visit http://thomas.loc.gov/ and type in S.1805 (also see related Craig bill S.1806)

Sen. Frist introduced S.1805 today and indicated they will discuss the bill tomorrow afternoon depending on whether or not an attempt to filibuster an unrelated ob/gyn bill is made tomorrow.

Sen Frist also introduced a motion of cloture on S.1805. Cloture is a motion used to shut down a filibuster - so it sounds like we may have at least 60 votes in support of S.1805 right now. Cloture also limits the time a bill can be debated. If we are successful with the cloture motion, then we will know the answer to this in about 4 business days.
 
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Bartholomew Roberts:

One wonders as to why this "change", especially at this seemingly late date?
 
Alan - looking at the dates of the bills and the authors, my guess is that S.1805 and S.1806 were rewrites of S.659 in order to get enough Senators on board to be able to beat a filibuster.

S.1805 and S.1806 are almost identical and have the same author (a co-sponsor of the original S.659). They are basically the Judiciary Committee's approved version of S.659 with slight tweaks. Both bills have been around since October of last year; but everybody was still referring to S.659 since it was the original bill.

The author of S.1805 and S.1806 (Sen. Larry Craig) is an NRA Board of Directors member and one of the original authors of S.659 also.
 
Bartholomew Roberts responded to my question:

Alan - looking at the dates of the bills and the authors, my guess is that S.1805 and S.1806 were rewrites of S.659 in order to get enough Senators on board to be able to beat a filibuster.

S.1805 and S.1806 are almost identical and have the same author (a co-sponsor of the original S.659). They are basically the Judiciary Committee's approved version of S.659 with slight tweaks. Both bills have been around since October of last year; but everybody was still referring to S.659 since it was the original bill.

The author of S.1805 and S.1806 (Sen. Larry Craig) is an NRA Board of Directors member and one of the original authors of S.659 also.

The ways of those law makers ate indeed, strange. Perhaps Churchill was correct, re what he would allow, or not all, "the people to see".
 
I made a few calls today.

Carl Lenin's oops, I mean Levin's office didn't even ask where I was from. Didn't expect much from him. Don't blame me. I vote for Rocky.

Debbie Stabusall's office was the same thing. I didn't vote for her either.

Also called Mike Rogers' office. I expect him to do the right thing. He has no say in the senate, but he could pull strings or it couls come back out of a conference report.

Bill Frist's office is important as well since he's the majority leader. (202) 224-3344

And lastly, I called the White House Comment Line - 1-202-456-1111
 
Remarks start at 9:30, then a cloture vote at 10:30. Fingers crossed...
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That is awesome news, if cloture is invoked, no new amendments can be added to the bill :evil:

Any amendments not proposed by 10:30 are dead, dead, dead.
 
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