The shuttle break up.....

Status
Not open for further replies.
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/space/1761217 ...
Men report finding possible shuttle victim's remains
Associated Press


HEMPHILL -- Among the chunks of metal littered across eastern Texas following the space shuttle's explosion were some heartbreaking discoveries: an astronaut's charred patch, a helmet, some human remains.

The shuttle Columbia broke apart in flames 200,000 feet over Texas this morning, leaving a 500-mile swath of debris across several counties. All seven astronauts were killed just minutes before they were to glide to a landing in Florida.

Clark Barnett, 32, spotted an object while driving on Farm-to-Market Road 2971 this morning. He didn't give it much thought until he got a call from friend Mike Gibbs, an X-ray technician at Sabine County Hospital, who told him about the shuttle explosion.

Both men met on the two-lane road about 9 a.m. and realized with horror that they apparently were looking at an astronaut's remains: a charred torso, thigh bone and skull with front teeth intact.

"I wouldn't want anybody seeing what I saw," Gibbs, 33, told The Associated Press. "It was pretty gruesome."

Fire trucks arrived shortly and blocked the road as authorities collected evidence. A hearse was seen leaving the area today evening after officials loaded it with a black bag.

Billy Smith, the emergency management coordinator for Jasper, Sabine and Newton counties, confirmed that body parts were found near apparent shuttle debris in Sabine County.

The remains have been turned over to the FBI, officials said.

"We don't know where the remains are being taken," Sabine County Sheriff Tom Maddox said.

Residents across eastern Texas reported finding chunks of metal and other shuttle parts atop roofs, in yards and on parking lots. A compact car-size piece of debris fell into Toledo Bend lake, said Maddox. A charred astronaut's patch was found in San Augustine County.

A flight helmet landed on James Couch's property near state Highway 103 and F.M. 1751 in San Augustine County, The Lufkin Daily News reported. He kept guard on the helmet.

Authorities were searching a 500-mile swath but said the debris could be spread over a region three times larger.
 
Yeah, they were hitting eBay shortly after it happened. Tom Brokaw reported someone was even listing debris from the wreckage on ebay. I did a search, and there was an auction item "removed" by eBay. This must have been what they were talking about. Notice this POS even registered www.columbiablast.com this morning. :fire: :scrutiny:
 
Under the wide and starry sky,
Dig the grave and let me lie.
Glad did I live, and gladly die,
And I laid me down with a will.

Let this be the words you ‘grave for me:
"Here he lies where he longed to be.
Home is the sailor, home from the sea,
And the hunter home from the hill."

The marker located at the resting place of Robert Louis Stevenson in Tahiti.
 
I just saw the father of Ilon Ramon (the Israeli astronaunt) interviewed on TV and he said that he received an e-mail from his son during this mission saying that he didn't want to return to earth because it was so beautiful up there.

Ironically, he got his wish. Also, if reports are correct, one of the female astronaunts lost her brother on 9/11/01 in the World Trade Center. :(
 
I'm so sad

Since the day I played hooky from school and watched John Glen orbit the earth three times, I have watched in wonderment at amazing men and women willing to put their fears aside and go aloft to explore "the final frontier." I am heartbroken now but I will get over this just like the men and women of NASA will get over this. They will go on because that is what we Americans do. We go on. To not continue is to give up. We do not give up, not now, not ever.

Peace be with the crew of the Columbia.
 
Tamara,

Thanks for posting "Countdown"; I had forgotten about that song.

It was hard to maintain my composure, listening to it just now.

May God bless and keep them, and comfort their families.
 
This is the most heartbreaking image to come out of todays events so far:

1044153314.2684870703.jpg


To the family and friends of those who gave their lives today in pursuit of their dreams, take heart in the fact that they were exactly where they wanted to be by choice, doing things that the rest of us can only dream about.
 
It just dawned on me that this was the first space shuttle. I was there back in 1981 when they launched it for the first time. The submarine I was on was doing security off the coast and pulled into the cape the night before the launch, giving us an excellent front row seat. Following the launch, some tugs pulled the two solid rocket boosters to the same pier we were docked at. I took several pictures of them in the water and while they lifted them out.
 
Would you believe they are already auctioning "debris" from the shuttle on Ebay?

Ebay pulled the auctions in question. (I've only found other non-debris memorabilia.) They're also reporting the supposed sellers to the authorities. One was even a farce, the IP addy pointed to Germany. That's even more vile, to profit from a tragedy like this is sick, to defraud and profit is unconscienable. :fire: I hope they rot in hell.
 
Well, I thought the Ebay thing was vile until I opened up my local rag, the Santa Barbara News Press this morning. There was an article about local reaction to the explosion written mind you, yesterday, the day of the event. Some of the people they interviewed were at the local weekly anti-war rally.

The tone of those interviewed was one of almost annoyance that the explosion took publicity away from them. Not a group to make it a total loss to their goals, they were quick to make political statements out of it, such as (words in italics are mine):

"...wishing this would slow the space program." paraphrased

"...we need the money for health and education."

"They're pouring money into military and space programs for their dominance activities."

"Their intent is not to explore space, it's to monopolize and control as many regions as possible."

"...I expect the tragedy to be turned around by George Bush and manipulated to make Americans rally around the space program." and this statement is not manipulating the tragedy?

They also managed to put in a New York Times story about how crappy our space program is. I'm all for hearing more than one opinion about an event, but in honor of seven brave souls, you'd think these idiots could have waited a while before spouting off. I'm wondering how the above statements are any different than those reported from Iraqi citizens.:fire:
 
Just wait until the Chinese put their first Cosmonaut into space. They are probable weeks away from doing it. Bush just signed something about a Mars exploration. My bet is as soon as the Chinese finally launch their Cosmonaut everyone in America is going to get mad and want to see NASA do more.

I hope.
 
"...wishing this would slow the space program."
Oog stop play fire! Oog! Stop knap flint!.
"...we need the money for health and education."
Some people can't be educated no matter how much money is spent on them. These people are living proof. They live a better life than any human being has ever known in the history of the world, and for them, that is still not good enough. Rather than seek to make a positive contribution, they :cuss: and whine on the sidelines.

I guess that they must have been completely unaware that the bulk of the 16 day mission was devoted to medical experiments. I suppose that their liberal viewpoint left them unaware that schools all over America were taking part in some of the experiments, recieving reports from the shuttle Astronauts in the hope that the children's imaginations would be captured by the excitement and wonder of having the ability to be in contact with folks performing a feat that is nothing short of miraculous.
They're pouring money into military and space programs for their dominance activities.
Yeah, that's it. What is the correct term? Oh, "Global hedgemony", yeah, that's what we are up to.

What a curious response though. They seem to think that the best course of action is to adopt the stance of being pathetic, backward-thinking, effete losers. I'm shaking in my boots. How can we ever stop their relentless onslaught? Hey! I actually was able to type that with a straight face!
Their intent is not to explore space, it's to monopolize and control as many regions as possible.
To tell you the truth, I think that we are really just looking for a planet that will suit the needs of you losers a little better. You folks certainly don't appreciate what we have here, so maybe we can find a hunk of rock up in the sky that hasn't been developed "too fast". Maybe some place that isn't about to slip into "Nuclear Winter" or that isn't suffering from "Global Warming". A place that won't tax the limited capacity of your tiny-little-monkey-minds. :fire: :cuss: :fire:
I expect the tragedy to be turned around by George Bush and manipulated to make Americans rally around the space program.
Naw, we all decided to go slink off into a hole and die.:rolleyes:
They also managed to put in a New York Times story about how crappy our space program is.
That isn't a statement against modern Urinalism, is it?;)
I'm wondering how the above statements are any different than those reported from Iraqi citizens.
The so-called Americans that you are describing speak out of self-hatred. In essence their souls are broken and lost. The Iraqis speak out of fear and ignorance, a result of their being oppressed and marginalized by their fearless socialist pig-:cuss:ing leader. God may be able to forgive each of them, but I won't.
 
The Space Program is still our future.
Well at least for my kids it is. :D

Remember, people scoffed at Queen Isabella for funding Christopher Coulmbus.
I guess the Flat Earth Society still has some members. :rolleyes:
 
I have a dumb question that maybe someone can help me with:

Back in the Mercury/Gemini/Apollo days, they had a several minute radio "blackout" because of the re-entry heat.

Does that not occur with the shuttle? :confused:

They "lost contact" with the Columbia - had they previously had a normal loss of contact followed by regaining contact? - or does the shuttle come in at a different angle somehow so that they never lose radio contact under normal conditions?

Thanks.
 
Yes, the shuttle does suffer from loss of communication. Nasa even said they have lost communication with the shuttle for an entire rotation while in orbit . . . 90 minutes.

But in this case, they began to get sensors that stopped working. And they were in unrelated areas. And during a transmission, supposedly communication was cut off . . . around 9:00 am EST.

While blackouts in communication is not abnormal, there were to many things "not right" leading up to the shuttles final loss of communication.
 
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news...O_CALL_COLUMBIA__BUT_RECEIVED_NO_RESPONSE.asp

Calmly, Mission Control tried repeatedly to call Columbia, but received no response

Sunday, February 02, 2003

CAPE CANAVERAL, Florida (AP) - Again and again and again and again Mission Control called, first on one radio channel and then on another. But from space there was only a silence that stretched on until there was no hope.
Their voices remained calm, professional, despite growing evidence that space shuttle Columbia and its seven astronauts were in very great trouble in their long fall from orbit toward a landing at the Kennedy Space Centre.

Observers in California and Texas and Arkansas all reported seeing flashes of light, perhaps from debris burning away, as the winged spacecraft streaked overhead. But the experts in Mission Control at first were seeing only routine data, streaming to Earth as millions of electronic bits. Suddenly, there was a dramatic change in temperature readings. And then silence. No data. No radio voices. No radar tracking. And soon, no hope.

Columbia was travelling at more than 16,400 mph (26,390 kph) as it approached the California coast in a high-speed descent shortly before 9:00 am Eastern time (1400 GMT).

There was no communications from the astronauts at the time. Typically for a return from space, the spacecraft commander, Rich Husband, and pilot, William McCool, would sit in the control seat at the front windshield, surrounded by elaborate controls, including computer screens.

Just behind, at McCool's right shoulder, would be Laurel Blair Salton Clark, a physician. And behind both the pilot and commander was astronaut Kalpana Chawla. In a tight compartment below the cockpit, were the other three astronauts, Michael P Anderson, David M Brown, and Ilan Ramon, the first Israeli astronaut.

Public affairs announcer James Hartsfield, speaking to the outside world from a microphone inside Mission Control, calmly ticked through the landing routine, calling off speed and altitude and distance to the landing runway. He told how the spacecraft, flying on autopilot, started the first of a series of banked manoeuvres, designed to slow the craft as it entered the increasingly thick atmosphere.

At 8:53 am (1353 GMT), engineers in Mission Control noticed there was a sudden loss of temperature readings in the hydraulic system in the left wing. Somehow, the temperature sensors were no longer sending data.

Three minutes later, signals dropped from the temperature sensors in the left main landing gear.
Mission Control sent a notice to a cockpit electronic screen about the temperature readings.
Milt Heflin, chief flight director, said the crew acknowledged the signal, but it was thought "there was no problem at that time". Such temperature reading losses have been seen before.

Hartsfield continued with routine landing reports, noting that the speeding craft was streaking across the New Mexico-Texas border at an altitude of 40 miles (64 kilometres) and a speed of 13,200 mph (21,240 kph). Columbia, he said, was only 1,400 miles (2,250 kilometres) and less than 20 minutes from landing.
There was a muffled blurt on the radio from the crew.
Capsule communicator Charlie Hobaugh broke a long silence by calling to the crew.

"Columbia, Houston," he said, "we see your tyre pressure message and we did not copy your last."
"Roger," said Husband. "Uh, buh....."
The communication was cut abruptly, the final word never finished. It was followed by static.

At about the same time, all data signals abruptly stopped. Columbia's computers were no longer talking to Mission Control.

The time was about 9:00 am EST (1400 GMT), said Heflin. "That was when we lost all vehicle data. That's when we began to know that we had a bad day."

Columbia was then moving at more than 18 times the speed of sound and was 207,000 feet (62,100 metres) - about 39 miles (63 kilometres) - above Texas.

Hartsfield calmly said that Mission Control engineers "are continuing to standby to regain communications with the spacecraft".

Hobaugh began a series of plaintive calls, speaking in that professional, no-nonsense voice of an aviation veteran.

"Columbia, Houston," he called. "Com (for communications) check."

Silence from space.

"Columbia, Houston," Hobaugh tried again, this time using another radio channel. "UHF (ultra high frequency) com check."

Silence.

"Columbia, Houston," Hobaugh persisted. "UHF com check."

Silence.

Hobaugh tried four times more, but there was only silence.

Hartsfield, still hoping, reported, "Flight controllers are standing by for C-band (radar) tracking data from the Merritt Island tracking station."

Again and again, he told the world that Mission Control was still calling, still looking for Columbia.

But always there was only silence from space.

"There was nothing we could do," a Mission Control official said later. "Just observe."

Within an hour, the flag at the Kennedy Space Centre was lowered to half mast.

smiley_salute.gif
 
The time was about 9:00 am EST (1400 GMT), said Heflin. "That was when we lost all vehicle data. That's when we began to know that we had a bad day."

Still don't understand ... ? This doesn't sound like a normal expected loss of communication. In the "old" days (back when we stayed glued to the TV for every flight), I seem to remember that they announced "X many minutes/seconds to loss of radio contact"

Never mind, it's not that important.

======

What I find absolutely amazing is that no one on the ground was injured or killed, and property damage seems minimal. What if ... it had been a weekday, and that "car-sized" fragment had hit a school instead of a lake? <shudder>

I expect that some fragments that fell into wooded areas will go undiscovered for years ...
 
Yea, but I'm waiting for some tree-hugging group to start wanting to ban shuttles because of the "toxic" contamination that is spread when this type situation occurs.

Although, you would think 3000 F, 13,000 MPH and a 40 mile drop would burn off any surface contamination on the parts that did hit the ground.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top