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In several threads there are conversations going on about the legitimacy and effectiveness of edged weapons. A reality is that you were born with impact weapons so that puts them before edged and if you are going to lay your hands on something in the environment it is going to be an impact weapon. Edged weapons seek flesh and impact weapons seek bone. There are two basic ways of causing trauma to the human body, cutting/piercing and crushing.

Choosing a tool that cuts or pierces skin as your first mechanical option may not be a good thing. First of all it is very likely to draw blood. Blood that is likely infected with HIV or Hepatitis. Getting someone else' s blood on you sucks. It is hard enough to train to make sound, legitimate, defensible shoot/don't shoot decision. Teaching cut / don't cut decision making is much harder. It is common knowledge in our society that killing someone with knife will invite more scrutiny that shooting them. What they have in common is that doing either puts you on the path of no return and and shot or cut will be considered deadly force. Add the fact the whether it is by law, environment or company policy, those of us that would be suitably armed with gun or knife at all times may be without one in the most vulnerable circumstances.

So with this in mind what do we do? Enter the lonely stick. What is a stick? We all have a picture in our heads. It can be a pen, flashlight, stylus, Kubaton in the short variety or depending on where you live an ASP, Escrima stick, cheap ratan stick, broom stick, cane. Maybe even a golf club. Sticks should be strewn like fairy dust around the environments you find yourself in. They should be like sharks teeth, if you loose one another falls right into its place.

For practicality sake forget about joint locks with the short sticks since they generally attack the wrist or fingers. Under the best circumstances attacking the wrist or fingers is like being able to choose three exits on a highway to get to where you want to go and intentionaly trying to cut across four lanes to get to the last one. If you miss it you are screwed and have to start over. The end of any stick should be used to amplify the concentration of force on a small surface area like the back of the hands or bone structures of the head and face. Another great target if you are on the ground in the top of the feet. Using the stick and your thumb to form a claw, effective, reflexive response chokes can be achieved.

If you are lucky enough to have a longer stick around you have even more possibilities. There is no greater common hand held weapon to protect an individual from a group than a stick (except a firearm, if they are displaying weapons). A stick allows you to keep people at a distance or to use it's length to strike. Unlike a knife or gun you will be less likely to hesitate to use a stick because of its normal lack of lethality. Not to mention that regardless of what people would like to think of themselves, after a failed criminal attack, you may be inclined to get a few extra shots in. With a stick that is likely to cause bumps and bruises, maybe even some broken bones, but not the severe likelihood of permanent physical injury or death.

I have used and own many but for all intents and purposes my favorite stick remains the inexpensive rattan Escrima stick. It is like and reflexive. Except for obvious ease of carry I would take it over an expandable baton. It allows me to strike the back of hands, collar bone and chin with surgical precision.

As a trainer I would like to encourage everyone interested in their personal protection to take a long hard look and putting sticks into their overall personal protection plan.
 
I'm finishing a walking stick for my mother-in-law. Black Locust with antler crown and leather wrap and strap. I've made different sticks for most of my family members. intended for use if needed and artistically interesting and pleasing to look at. I've planked some osage for drying. it makes a very strong stick even in a smaller diameter shaft. you can still get on an airplane with a stick but you might have to leave it at the front of the cabin if you don't have an obvious limp. never had anybody say anything about it on train or bus.
 
HIV and similar diseases only infect a small percentage of people in this hemisphere.

1) Even if they DO have HIV, the chance of contracting it yourself from touching fluid is extremely over-blown. The only reliable way to get HIV is to have sexual intercourse with an infected person. Viruses die very quickly when exposed to the elements; it needs a host to survive.

2) blunt weapons are more than capable of spilling blood, and im sure you know that. Anything with enough force to crush bones will break skin and liquefy flesh easily. wounds like that bleed.
 
The stick, my favorite tool. :)

Since 1971 and my medical discharge from the army, I've been using a stout walking stick, and its become part of me. It's too bad walking sticks went out of favor with younger gentlemen, its a nice accsesory to have handy. In Victorian London, there were schools for the teaching of effective use of a stick. Making your way down the street, its already in hand. Nothing to draw, and goes anywhere, even on board airlines. The only comment my blackthorn stick got from a TSA person was "Nice stick." Of course they x-rayed it to make sure it was not filled with something.

Good quality stock canes out of hickory or ash, can be had from a country feed store. Small hornbeam sapplings can be dug up by the root for tough and interesting rustic walking sticks that are every bit as rugged as Irish Blackthorn. The two times I've had to use a stick in the past 30 years, it stopped all hostile action immediatly.

Mans oldest tool requires less fine motor control in high stress situations. When the adreniline is flowing and your in the do-do, how hard is it going to be drawing that folder, and finding the thumb stud, thumb hole, wave notch? Nothing beats a tough piece of wood already in your hand ready to go.

I love sticks.

I live in a more "mature" community, with alot of the original home owners in the nieghborhood. In the evening or early morning you see some seniors doing thier exersise walk while carrying a piece of cut off broom stick, shovel handle, stout branch, cane, golf club, or whatever. There's this little lake that has a nice asphault path around it thats 1 1/4 miles around. It's a popular place for us old fogys to do 3 or 4 laps. A few years ago one of our nieghbors and his wife were walking around it, when two misguided young punks decieded to relieve the man of his cell phone, watch, and his wifes diamond ring. Unfortunatly for them, John was a retired state department worker who had served in some strange places. At the time he was carrying a very stout stick, and in the altercation one young man went to the hospital, the other ran off and was picked up at the local ER where he was complaining about what turned out to be a broken left wrist. His buddy was already there there, being treated for head injuries. Both received police escort to the county lockup.

Would John at age 64, have been able to defend himself so well with a folding knife clipped to his pocket? I doubt it. But he laid low two would be criminals less than half his age, with his walking stick. Force multipiers are good things.

Like Clint said; "You can't be a good piece of hickory." (or hornbeam, ash, oak, ...)

Pens are good. A nice quality steel pen looks harmless clipped in a shirt pocket. You can even use it to make a note with, sign your name if need be. But if by some bad stroke of luck or lack of observation on your part, you find yourself rolling around on the ground grappeling with an attacker, I'm sure that pen will be distracting as all h--l when its driven into a mastoid gland or throat.

Its an unfortunate sign of the times that if we do harm to somebody attacking us, that we will be also looked at. What we use, and how, will be looked at maybe in court, so it behooves us to look as innocent as possable. I don't know if in my lifetime I'll see us get as bad as England, but its something to think about before using something with tactical looks and a name that's out of a mall ninja fantacy or Cold Steel catalogue.
 
Layered defence! I was just talking about it this morning with my ex girlfriend. Getting dressed there was my wallet, phone, 2 knives and a kubotan.

Her: "Do you really need the knives and the kubotan?"

Me: "Yes, there are different layers to one's defense, different levels of force that may be needed depending on the situation at hand. Yes, I need both."

*funny look* from her.
 
Haha, they're probably similar to the ones I get from close friends. The 2 knives and kubotan were just for school! Not to mention the Cross metal pen.

Out of school it's even worse...
 
HIV and similar diseases only infect a small percentage of people in this hemisphere.

1) Even if they DO have HIV, the chance of contracting it yourself from touching fluid is extremely over-blown. The only reliable way to get HIV is to have sexual intercourse with an infected person. Viruses die very quickly when exposed to the elements; it needs a host to survive.

2) blunt weapons are more than capable of spilling blood, and im sure you know that. Anything with enough force to crush bones will break skin and liquefy flesh easily. wounds like that bleed.

The HIV rate among the sort of sociopaths/psychopaths/drug addicts who would accost someone with little or no warning is BOUND to be higher...just like it's higher among other "high-risk" groups that happen to fall into the above categories: prisoners and IV drug users.

Sharing IV drugs with someone, all things considered, is more likely to give you HIV than having sex with them (particularly if you are male and having sex with a female).

The subtext, I believe, to what mercop was saying (which is repeated on here all the time) is that you may draw blood with an impact weapon, but you will not likely draw your own blood. Edged weapons, even in trained hands, often cut both parties...
 
sticks and stones will break your bones, but..

Mercop:

I usually carry a stick only when walking my dog; sheepherding her away from passing by cars and other dogs.

But I realized that of all things most likely available, besides an Ally 'Ooop stone, would be a stick; branch, sapling, etc. within reach. Precluding the mean city streets of course. -Though a piece of rusty metal may be found.

But, the stick is so very versatile, that it is an excellent defense weapon that does provide all the degrees of intensity from intmidation, through nerve shock, to bruising, to bone fracture to, rendering unconsciousness to being lethal if needed.

We in PA are fortunate in that we have in our state large and prospering stands of hardwood species from which to select our "sticks."
 
MY cane is a stout homemade maple I carved myself. A very comforting companion for a broke down 60 y/o like me. Sure I carry a gun and a very sharp pointy thing but the cane gives me impact at distance, and can handle most of the negative social behavior I failed to avoid through situational awareness.
If the cane isnt enough then I really screwed up and it time for the spiral tube and sharp pointy things. God forbid. Better to stay alert and avoid trouble, because as I have said before I only have so many heartbeats left I dont want to waste them on things that are not fun.
 
George,
Some very good points. Good stuff to know.

For me I don't see it being very effective, unless I was looking for a weapon in the surroundings. I don't need a walking stick and don't know how I would carry a shorter stick... I can't legally carry a collapsible baton in Arkansas even with my CCW.

So... I stick with my Glock 20 and a fixed blade, a one handed folding knife and usually a solid metal pen.

Tom
 
I like sticks. :) My state doesn't allow "billy clubs" so I have a AA mini-maglite available for my weak hand (left) and a stainless steel Parker pen for my right.

A few years from now ,when I am old like some of you ;) , I'll end up needing a cane. Arthritis has been creeping into my right knee from an injury many years ago.:(
 
I have to say something here.

I'm always hearing the comment about somebody recognizing a stick is a great things to have, but they are too young to be carrying a walking stick. What a shame. Some of the women I know think the guy on House is a sexy beast.

In many places they've taken away our right to carry weapons, (school zones, federal buildings, airports, non CCW states, etc) and over the last 25 years in America there's been a creeping liberalisim that makes us feel self concious about it.

The heck with them! If a younger fellow wants to carry a walking stick, why does he need to justify it to anyone? Whats wrong with carrying a stick and if anyone askes, just tell them you feel like having thy rod or staff with you as you walk the valley of the shadow in the mean streets.

Okay, I admit I had a heck of an injury when I started carrying my stick at 30 years of age. But I recall very very few people ever asking why I was using it. I think most people are too polite to ask if they see a person with a stick, and just presume the young guy had a sports injury, service injury, or some medical problem.

If you carry the stick with confidence and act normal, very few people will react. If somebody askes, its an old sports injury that gives a problem now and then. Or be honest and tell them its for the mean streets.

One thing I've noticed in the bad parts of D.C., the guys who live there ain't bashfull about carrying a big stick.

I'm an outpatient at the V.A. hospital on Irving street in Washington. Not a bad area, but not great either. But it borders on a very bad area, and alot of the patients are African-Americans from the poor part of D.C. Old vets that don't have any health insurance so they come to the V.A. for help. Not all of them need a cane. Some are there for medical problems like getting thier weight down, colestorol count down, dental work, eye checkup, free perscriptions. Stuff like what many of us go to the doctor for. But most of them carry a very stout walking stick or outright small staff. Some are very nice works of art, they have whittled African desgns into the wood and filled them in with ink from a pen, or faces in the wood that has been sanded down and stained. One guy even had a short staff made from an oak tree, that he left the little nubs from branches on that he used for the noses of the faces he carved into it.

But ask one of them why he needs such a heavy duty stick, and they are all blunt and honest about it. One guy I got to talking to about sticks while we were having a coffee down in the caffeteria, made the comment "You don't exect me to walk all the way out here down Irving Street without my stick, do ya brother man? They's some real low lifes in that nieghborhood! But they see me with 'ma stick and they knows they in for a fight if they try me."

Being an outpatient at that hospital has let me have a tiny bit of insight into the issue. I was attending a group session for depression with a bunch of other vets. I was the only white guy there, but by the end of the 3 months we had become friends of sorts. Baring your angst and sharing your ghosts tend to make that happen. After the sesson we'd go for coffee and a doughnut to the nice caffeteria there and just talk. Guy talk. Lots of subjects under the sun.

But one thing I did learn about my inner city vet brothers, they are not bashfull about carrying a big heavy oak, hickory, or whatever stick, and saying why they carry it. It strikes me funny in a very sad way that we have to downplay what we carry out here in suburbia for fear of offending some liberal, but the poor lower income inner city folk seem to have a more realistic and pragmatic way of looking at the issue. Our view; carry a pen or AA mag and try not to offend anyone. I can't carry a walking stick, people will think its strange." Thier view; Yeah I got a big stick, theys mean streets out there brother, and I'm gonna clobber the first mutha that tries to take my money!"

Its a shame that the limonsine liberals have mentally castrated us. I say carry a stout walking stick and be proud of it. For us living in non CCW states its the only option left to us, so why be shy about it. Go get the knarliest blackthorn you can, and when somebody askes why you carry it, tell them because they won't let you carry a gun.

Maybe its time as a society as a whole to put the pants back on. I could get by with one of those tricky little aluminum cane things that collapse down to a small package, that they sell at the medical stores. But I like my knarley blackthorn. It gives me a sense of confidence on dark streets since the Great Peoples Republik Of Maryland won't see fit to trust it's citizens with firearms. And I make no bones about why I carry it. And the absolutly hilarious thing to me is, that my Karen's more liberal friends appreatiate it. One night at a social event, Karen's friend Carol was going to leave a bit early. It was just shy of 11 at night, and the parking lot was dark. Nice part of Montgomery country about 15 miles outside of D.C. Carol asked Karen if I could escort her to her car because "Carl has that nice big stick."

There's a leason there!
 
Well I supose I could carry one.

And If anyone really really wanted to challenge my need for it I could drop my pants and show my scars from surgery.:eek: :evil:
 
I am 46 years old. The years of crawling under houses, and slinging cast iron pipe are begaining to catch up to me. I use a stony point polecat walking stick in the woods. it is light and has a fork for a gun rest. In urban settings I have an old hex shaped peice of wood that is old enough to be hard to tell what kind of wood it is . it is hard enough I can't drive tacks in to it. I has 50' of utility cord wrapped around the top the bottom has floral wire wrapped around for 3" and a rubber tip plus it is drilled for a wrist strap.
 
good thread George.
Unlike a knife or gun you will be less likely to hesitate to use a stick because of its normal lack of lethality.
I would less likely to use a stick as
a. I haven't the time to train with one.
b. Carrying one is not easy or practical most of the time.
c. If **** hits the fan , I am taking the option of whatever is needed to stop the attacker now ( 1911 is my choice ).

I saw the one which I believe was a design by you that Keith made. We going to see any action picts of it in use ?

Hope all is well.
 
My 2 cents is that the <edited> in the early 1980s ,that opened my left forearm wide open to the fat & bone with a 9 plus inch long cut...was dropped in a second with a head strike from a lowly stick..i.e. sap. He had and if still alive still has perment brain damage. I still have a very nasty scar.I will take the scar any day.

I never went down till I was at a safe place...i.e. paramedics care.

Knives they are like a .22lr killers and very dangerous but as a stopping tool..VERY weak.
 
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I walk through the Axe handle section of Lowes and Homedepo's on a reg. basis, I find the Axe and Maul handles that fit my stroke (Height, weight, length) all to the T , then refinsih. EZ, Cheap and we go through them like Milk Bones Here.....Nothing, repeat ,Nothing (realistically Short of GunsHot), is like a well placed strike , from a solid NON forgiving piece of Hard Wood?Iron or Lead for that matter.......... etc. on 2-legged's.

BBG/LD/Russ
 
With a little study and a good book, I learned to catalog all the trees I see going about my daily business (and in the Pacific NW that's an awful lot). Bigleaf maple dominates, and as maples go that's a softer wood.

Looking around my study right now, though, I see several Oregon white oak, one rowan, several hawthorn (my current favorite) a couple black locust, and some vine maple. I keep trying with the oceanspray (Holodiscus discolor) which would make an ideal stick if not for its tendency to split along the grain in any variation in moisture conditions (again, this is the PNW).

Yeah, I'm a little obsessed with making walking sticks. One of these days I'm going to quit practicing law if I can figure out how to make money at it...
 
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I can't legally carry a collapsible baton in Arkansas even with my CCW.

Same in Texas, I'd drop a couple of my carry knives if I was able to carry a stick/asp/whichever.

I'm always hearing the comment about somebody recognizing a stick is a great things to have, but they are too young to be carrying a walking stick. What a shame. Some of the women I know think the guy on House is a sexy beast.

Definitely a "coolness" factor in there somewhere. The couple reasons I don't (we'll when my knee ain't bugging me) come down to selection. 1) the women folk of my age aren't looking to hook up with the "cripple" (no offense to anyone I'm sorry I can't figure a better term). 2) selection by the thug element. I was hassled or cased or whatever you want to term it, more when I had my stick on me. It seems to set mark you more as "prey".


As I've said before I'll take a stick over a blade any day of the week. But I am limited as to what I can carry so I limit myself to what I am "allowed" legally.
 
I think if I could find a stick that fit my life, I'd carry it. Something that looks like a cane.

As it goes, myself and my old truck are constantly plagued by side view mirrors that are pushed inwards by air resistance at highway speeds. So I carry a spalding Stickball Bat as my passenger side mirror pusher outer.

It'd probably serve in a pinch. Now all I need are kendo lessons :)
 
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