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Decidedly effective, and well concealed on the right person. I'm 26, and am fortunate enough to walk as designed. I can't get away with a walking stick, unless hiking. My dad and his older brothers could pull it off. Someday, I'll try.
Meanwhile, I'll settle for a Gerber, Sig and boxer. Effective, maybe, but not nearly as classy as a good walking stick.
 
Mercop, is that homeboys or good old boys? Don't get it confused just because I'm one of them comunity colege boys..

Seriously, send me a PM if ever you end up in my neck of the woods.. Or perhaps if I could ever end up in yours (I have many free weekends if told ahead of time.) I'd be interested in pretty much all of it - sticks, open hand, knife.
 
What?

PJ:

I hope I don't cause your eyes to glaze over by this, but "Kendo" instruction would, for the most part, provide defensive skill against another stick or long blade weapon. "Bokkenjutsu" the same but with added realism of the mass or momentum and therefore, timing of an actual steel blade, by a heavy wooden one.

"Jojutsu" not the Japanese cartoon character, is a slightly longer than a sword -stick, and again, for defense against a sword. It does have some effective "entwining" techniques that are adaptable for what we are considering.

"Han Bo Jutsu" is accurately what suits your need, but I have no idea where you might find it. How ever you are in Philly and near NYC and the great abundance of resources those areas provide.
"Han Bo:" half of the "Bo" or six foot staff, that is, three foot stick. Now we're talking.

Mercop may be able to give you instruction in "baton" use, as taught to police for riot technique. Military Police received that training also.
That was years ago how ever. Some of the batons were 36 to 48 inches in length. Two handed, rather than the one handed club seen today.

A P.S.: Bayonet training; US Military or "Jukenjitsu" would be good! Very fundamental with no complexities, and gives the versatility of a stick in that both ends are defensive or offensive by stroke, smash, slash or thrust.
...No, I am not now nor ever have been a recruiter.
 
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James,
Wow. Honestly, I'm glad we have (err) asiatic arts enthusiasts here. I didn't know there was a distinction. I mean, I did, but that's only after reading your post and thinking back to my time in karate class.

Good ideas on the short stick, especially bayonet. Most of what I've mucked with so far is based in WW2 combatives.. that deserves a look. I just realized mercop's really NOT that far from me, so I might go bothering him some before I get TOO lofty.

Of course, I could always go to the renaissance faire and find someone to teach me quarterstaff.. now THAT would be cool :)
 
My cane and me!

I am here today in my current state (good health and mobile) because of my desire to carry a cane. I'm 6'4" , 350 lbs, and 45 years old........ NOT what I consider to be easy prey. Yet there are those unwise who thought differently. Thanks to proper defensive use of my cane I'm here and they are nowhere to be seen, for now. Always on guard :). As for their departing state; two ran away the third limped away slowly. And I will continue to carry my cane on the ground on a boat and even on a plane.
 
Han Bo Jutsu" is accurately what suits your need, but I have no idea where you might find it. How ever you are in Philly and near NYC and the great abundance of resources those areas provide.
"Han Bo:" half of the "Bo" or six foot staff, that is, three foot stick. Now we're talking.
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Effective techniques with the hanbo(three foot cane) are taught in any Bujinkan or Jinenkan dojo. There are several Jinenkan dojos in Baltimore and the surrounding area, one in Tennessee-Cookville, I think, and one in Yakima, Washington. I'm sure there are more. Do a search. Bujinkan dojos are widespread. Again, do a search. They also teach rokushakubo(six foot staff) techniques which can be used with a hiking stick. The staff and cane techniques come from the Kukishinden Ryu. Masaaki Hatsume wrote a book-'Stickfighting- with Quentin Chambers(Not sure of the first name-just checked the bookshelf...it's Quintan). Should still be in print. It has excellent reviews even from people extremely critical of Hatsumi Sensei's work with the Bujinkan such as Meik Skoss.

I've had a stroke but have recovered with only fairly light deficiencies. While I have some left side weakness, I don't have a detectable limp. I can feel it but you can't usually see it.

However, my doctor has written a prescription for me for using a cane. I keep a copy of the prescription with me. Anyone who officially separates me from that cane will be explaining to his superiors why they're being sued.

Talk with your doctor about the foot pain you've been having. Tell him you fly at times and then ask for a cane prescription. With that in hand, it's not up to any non-medical personnel to judge whether you have a need due to a limp or not.
 
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Checked my bookshelf, I was close. It's 'Stickfighting' by Masaaki Hatsumi and Quintan Chambers. As mentioned, the shinai used in kendo(mock sword made of bamboo) isn't going to give you the correct timing to use a cane effectively. Also the strikes taught to effectively score in kendo will lead to ineffective strikes with a cane...or a sword for that matter. A master of kendo is NOT a master of the sword. Kendo is a sport derived from kenjutsu(the art of the sword). It is not training in the use of a sword.
 
I second Byron's advice to seek stick instead of sword derived training. While the one might be useful the stick training is what is directly applicable and more effective.
 
The couple times I really needed my stick for anit-social behavior, I sort of went on auto pilot back to my army pugil stick drills. Afterward, to my amazment, it had worked very well. Maybe because it was the only time in my life that I had undergone any kind of fight training with a stick in hand, exept for police acadamy. And then alot of the two handed techniques were the same.

I don't think any kind of sword training would have prepared me as well as the army pugil stick stuff.
 
Not a fan of sword training for stick work. The worst situation I even had to use my ASP that ended up with a bent 21 inch ASP was only brought to closure from knee and ankle strikes.

Impact weapons seek bone and impact weapons seek flesh. Regardless of what police are taught for liability reasons if you want someone to stop what they are doing you smash an elbow or a knee, and as a last resort the collar bone or head. Strikes to large muscle groups have proven pretty worthless in my experience. Made worse by the fact that the typical police typically do not step through with strikes (weapon retention strikes) and this really lessens the power.
 
Not a fan of sword training for stick work.
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I'm not a fan of it either.

I've trained in both the Bujinkan and the Jinenkan(the two dojos' curriculum is virtually identical. The Jinenkan is much more focused on the basics and doing the techniques exactly right)

Both curriculums teach a variety of weapons in which most of mechanics such as holding the weapon and footwork are identical. Even so, the timing, the strikes, and the techniques are different. You won't see joint locks with a sword. They're fundamental techniques with a cane. There aren't any strikes with a cane that are analogous to a push cut or a draw cut with a sword.
 
When I was going through basic training, I fought an extremely ripped, fit young black belt who was exactly my weight with pugil stick.

I started the battle with a two-handed upward strike to his groin. With a regular stick, that strike would have ended the fight and most likely caused hospitalization or even death. With the pugil stick's padded end, striking the heavy pads we both wore, I'm not even sure that it hurt. :rolleyes:
 
What is it about these SD pens that I keep hearing about?
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They are a simple legal everywhere tool that have a dual purpose. Mine is not a designed for SD pen. I carry a stainless Parker Jotter that if needed will help me ruin a bad guy's day without going to lethal force.
 
I watched a demonstration of quarter-staff techniques over the summer, at a local SCA-fest. I was impressed, to say the least. One of the demonstrators was a LITTLE woman, all of 5 foot tall and MAYBE 100 pounds, so petite that holding a 7 foot ash stave made her look faintly ridiculous. They put four watermelons on posts, at different heights and distances from her. Three seconds after "go", there were melon bits everywhere, and she was holding the end of the staff in full extension like a fencer, the other end just touching the bellybutton of a guy standing 12 feet behind where she started from.

There's a ironwood sapling in the woods behind my parents house that I have my eye on now.
 
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Hard to "crush" bone with a stick. I am in a different Hemisphere.
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I cracked a man's skull open this past july 4th when I and a group of friends were assaulted by another group of guys whilst leaving an apartment complex. They attacked us for no reason and were clearly drunk. I snapped a large branch off a tree and swung it like a bat at the main aggressor. One of my friends broke his hand on another man's skull because his hand rolled as the guy moved back. We called the cops and they were all arrested. I assumed that we would at least have to deal with some paperwork or something, but the cops were exceptionally lenient and there were dozens of witnesses in the apartment complex, so they let us go, seeing as we fought in self defense. I kept the branch with me, and we now refer to it as the freedom stick, or the liberty stick, depending on who you ask.
 
I have a nice 5 ft piece of Osage that I use when hiking a lot. I also have a couple of staves cut and drying and may try and make both a bow and a couple of nice pretty walking sticks.
 
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My friend was being attacked back in junior high by some high schoolers. and he swung one of these sticks at him. the attacker raised his arm to block. After which he droped right to his knees in pain. clutching his wrist. Looks like thats where the stick made contact, the bottom edge of his forearm or wrist. Thats all that was needed to end the fight. As soon as he could get back to his feet he was out like a bat outa hell. Calling us wusses for having sticks.

Also heard a story when I was a kid about a convenience store clerk that killed a robber with a 2x4. As the robber was leaving the store the clerk hit him just once in the back of the head. He was pronounced dead when the medics arrived
 
as a older martial artist, I like the idea of having a legal defensive tool near by. I have a LTC but that is not always the best response to a threat. That is where a good Cane or stick comes in handy. A sturdy all wood rattan cane be be a fantastic self defense tool with a little basic training.
Some basic Escrima stick training will teach you to use both hands independently for blocking and striking. You can use your new skills with sticks, flashlight, Kubotan key chain or what ever you have in your hand. Check out self defense DVD,s with Canes, sticks and flashlights on
www.defensivecane.cdavisgroup.com
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