The Taurus PT1911SS is a GLUT!!

[AJD]

This is just my perception.

I think part of the dislike comes from Taurus ad where they list all the "custom" features on the Taurus with a price list that totals $2100. Then they say its just $600. The implication from Taurus being that the PT1911 is among the finest 1911's that have ever been made right up there with the likes of Wilson, Les Baer and other top shelf 1911's that cost over $2000.

Then someone buys a Taurus 1911(often times their first 1911 because of the low price point.) and makes comments like "It's just as good as a $2000+ custom 1911". They get a lot of flak in return.

I don't have an opinion on Taurus 1911 quality either way as I have never shot one or handled one.

 

[ljnowell]

I hear ya, but it sure seems like PT1911 owners go way out of their way to justify their buy.

No its just that they get tired of everytime they bring up their gun some jerk has to call it a POS. Then when they defend it people make statements like the one above. The same thing happens to glock owners on here. You mention your glock and a gaggle of post trolls come in and call it garbage. The second you have the nerve to defend your choice of firearms you are a kool-aid drinker, fan-boy, and a tennifer twink. It gets pretty old. Thats why I like to own my taurus 1911 and my glock 21. Its just to make people mad.

 

[robctwo]

I'm running a Ciener Platinum from Brownells on my SA Black Stainless frame. No major troubles. It likes some bulk ammo better than others, is strict about getting cleaned every thousand rounds, and doesn't like heavy lube in cold weather.

I started reloading years ago, long before I started shooting .45. I was reloading 9mm back when that was thought to be dumb.

I'm shooting 155 gr .45 lead swc cast by a local guy for about 10 cents a round. They do everything on paper and steel plates I need them to do. 200 gr lswc cost a bit more, but still shooting them for around 12 cents. I shoot Hornady Action Pistol 230 gr for about 20 cents each. Those are my favorite for bowling pins.

If you are going to shoot much, you need to reload.

 

[Storm]

No its just that they get tired of everytime they bring up their gun some jerk has to call it a POS.

True enough. Taurus really brings strong reactions. I think the accurate representation lies somewhre in the middle, that they put out good with bad, and that their QC is hit or miss. I guess that's waht brings on the wide divergence in opinion. I truly love my PT92 (but someone will point out the Beretta origins) and find Taurus revolvers to be guite good, at least my Trackers and Raging Bulls. But, someone will always have a bad opinion on something, just try an post about an HK and watch someone talk about their Glock that they paid half of an HK for. It's really quite entertaining.

On the other hand, there are a good number of threads that taunt the Taurus haters, and what can you expect? All good fun I suppose, if you don't take it too seriously. If you like your Taurus the fact that someone else doesn't make it any less of a gun, and if it is a POS all of the arguments to the contrary will not make it a decent gun. The true test is whether you still have it in a couple of years time and how it has performed during that time. A couple of hundred rounds doesn't mean doodly-squat, but it's a good start.

 

[AJD]

ljnowell, I'm just passing on what I've seen. I'm not bashing the Taurus 1911.

 

[Blind Bat]

Oooohhh... I'm putting a Taurus 1911 on my shopping list. All of my guns are too reliable. I don't have anything to fix any more.

 

[wofat226]

low cost good to go no problem

 

[ljnowell]

ljnowell, I'm just passing on what I've seen. I'm not bashing the Taurus 1911.

No sweat, personal experiences are the best evidence. My gun has been flawless. I have an uncle with one that is flawless as well. Others have reported big problems with the safeties, etc. My gun feeds anything, always goes boom and is a very accurate pistol. I am sure though, knowing the taurus reputation, that there are many POSs running around out there. Same goes for the pt92s. I have seen countless great ones, but it only took 1 bad one to turn me against getting one. Thats usually how it works.

 

[OleCodger]

Well Fellas

I didn't mean to get a range war started....after all it's just a hobby. If I were a golfer, all I could afford would be a pair of Sears clubs, if I were a bass fisherman (of which I used to be), all I could afford is a little 14' jon boat. If I were a pilot, I'd hafta fly a kite. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. In my situation I'm mighty proud that everyone doesn't like Redheads or I couldn't afford mine!!! By the way, she'd be classified as a high end 1911......she can go from "safe" to "fire" in .1 second and is very accurate and has a very light trigger!!!.

I've seen perfect guns, never a perfect manufacturer. Our son has a Kimber that he gave over $1,100 for and he's had problems with it. But Kimber took care of the gun and he's happy. We have a Cadillac (ooooops) and it has had some problems....would we buy another one? You bet your sweet aspiration, we would. We also have the "poor mans" old Porsche, a 944 (ooooooooooops, yes, we're still young at heart ........) Has heater/ac problems. Would we buy another one. You bet your sweet aspirin we would! We (including the OleCodger) get too defensive sometimes. I'll make everyone a deal.......I'll enjoy my PT1911SS to the fullest and you enjoy yours, whatever the stamp on the slide may be.....and whether you paid $500 or $5,000 for yours.

By the way, thanks to everyone that responded to the question about a conversion kit. I may just "blow" another $300 or so for a Ruger 45/22 or is it a 22/45? It mimmicks (well, maybe, as far as the angle of the grip in relation to the frame) the 1911 as far as design goes. Had one and traded it in for a Ruger Target Competitor that shoots like it's serious! Wanna know why I did the trade? So I'd have a Ruger that I could change out the grips on since you can't change out the 22/45 grips. Now you see, I have to have an excellent reason to buy/trade guns....certainly would never do it on a whim

My biggest problem today???? Trying to keep the guns scattered out over the house with a few of the better ones in the safe so it doesn't look like I have so many.........after all, the Redhead is on "safe" right now and I'd like to keep her that way!

 

[Storm]

....after all it's just a hobby.

Yes, it's that, but it is also a lot more when you draw a gun to protect a human life, your own and/or others. Issues like quality control, consistency and reliability go right to the forefront. Hit and miss (quality) can translate into dead and buried.

I have no actual experience with the PT1911. I have examined one closely and even put one on layaway for a day. I switched it very quickly for a SW1911 because I felt that the gun didn't compare favorably to the Smith on a number levels, and a very lightly used Smith was barely more than a new Taurus. That doesn't make the PT1911 a bad gun, only one that didn't meet my expectations when compared to another 1911. I also had the direct comparison of Smith customer service to that of Taurus, which are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

 

[dwave]

I have a PT1911 and it is a good gun that I have ran a few thousand rounds through; HOWEVER, my safety wants to come apart and it is going to get replaced with a wilson safety very soon. Other than the safety it has been great.

 

[Olympus]

No its just that they get tired of everytime they bring up their gun some jerk has to call it a POS. Then when they defend it people make statements like the one above. The same thing happens to glock owners on here. You mention your glock and a gaggle of post trolls come in and call it garbage. The second you have the nerve to defend your choice of firearms you are a kool-aid drinker, fan-boy, and a tennifer twink. It gets pretty old.

I couldn't have said it better my friend! I don't see Taurus 1911 owners being overly defensive about their pistols at all. What I do see is a bunch of people always saying things like they'd never own a Taurus, or their customer service is crap, or they'd rather spend money on a Springfield (that are made in Brazil as well). The thing I try to remember is that if someone is badmouthing the Taurus 1911 then it's a real good chance they've never owned one. I think maybe they're jealous that they own a $1000 Kimber or Colt and can't stand that us Taurus owners are enjoying ours so much and making all these posts about it creating waves. They probably think they can't keep their Kimbers and Colts up on a pedestal where us modestly incomed folk can only admire and can only dream of shooting something so fine.

Sure, a lot of people have problems with the safety (I'm included) and sure, a lot of people have a thin finish (me too). As down falls, these are easily overlooked I think. A free trip to Taurus got my safety fixed and I don't worry about the finish because well frankly, I didn't pay $1000 for it so I don't expect my impala to look like a lexus. But if it weren't for Taurus, I would never have made it into the 1911 arena and found such a love for 1911s.

 

[FoMoGo]

OleCodger, its the Ruger 22/45.
It is on my list as a lower cost practice and training tool.
I have found them for $239 retail here in Va.


Jim

 

[Storm]

They probably think they can't keep their Kimbers and Colts up on a pedestal where us modestly incomed folk can only admire and can only dream of shooting something so fine.

It isn't only a matter of being modestly incomed. I know folks who could probably buy and sell us all a few times over who would never pay more than $300 for a gun. It may sometimes be a matter of "haves and have-nots", but its also an issue as to how much one is willing to pay for a gun. When the talk of money starts I zone out becasue that kind of thing leads to arguments that folks like me who own some HKs are fools because we can have a Glock for half the price. I'm not a wealthy man by any means, but for me the price of a gun is way down on the list in making a decision. If the gun costs too much for me then I don't buy it, or more often find a used one. If I really want it I save my money longer and forego other purchases to get it owning maybe a few less guns to own a few more higher end ones. But judging a gun based on its cost....never. The cost of a gun is a very short-lived situation that almost immediately becomes irrelevant.

 

[OleCodger]

Lol, lol, lol......

This is really beyond funny! All in the world I did in my original post was to basically brag on what a good time that I had at the range and how well the PT1911 performed. If some of you hated to hear that, I'm sorry but it was the truth. I was shooting my lowly, POS, piece of junk Taurus PT1911SS that doesn't deserve even to be called a pistol and then ask three very simple tongue in cheek questions. It was all in fun of which this world is very short on at times. GET A SENSE OF HUMOR! I didn't ask for opinions on the Taurus, Kimber, Springfield, Mossberg, J C Higgins or any other man made piece of steel. People, I couldn't CARE LESS what your opinions are, were. or will be. Good Grieef, it's time for some of you to get a life and for those of us that already have one......you're just going to hafta get over us because we're going to continue enjoying it. We're still enjoying our Taurus, J C Higgins or whatever the #$@^%#$ that we shoot. It's my life and if I want to trust it to a pea shooter, it's my choice and my problem. LET IT REST. If I ever do another post on this site (and I'm sure there will be plenty of them), if I need a critique on what is worse, what is middle of the road, what is best, what I can trust MY OWN life with, I'll specifically ask for that information. Otherwise, I don't understand for the life of me why we can't stay with the subject, have a little fun and just enjoy shooting the BS a little. It's like a bunch of 8 year kids playing marbles and bragging on whose "toy" is the best. It's beyond downright silly and juvenile.

If the weather allows tomorrow, I'll be at the outdoor range enjoying the PT1911SS, if it's cold, I'll be at the indoor range doing the same. If the safety falls off, I'll pick it up, if it shoots backwards, I'll try to duck, if it missfires, I'll jack another shell into the chamber and try it again, if it totally self destructs you have my word that I will post that info tomorrow night, will say that 'You told me so" and have crow for supper.

OK, I feel better......got that off my chest. Lets all go to the range and burn some powder and waste some lead............And yes, some of us are slow to learn or just never learn, so please don't say it, I just did........

By the way, I would brag on my Sig P220 and what a sweet piece it is but I just dread hearing what a POS it is........I'd be so dejected that I might never pull out of that dismal darkness..........

 

[OleCodger]

FoMoGo

Thanks for the response. Like I said, I had a 22/45 but just couldn't be happy....had to have the Mark III Competitor so I could spend more money swapping out grips! I think I need to slow down on the trading and enjoy what I have and smell the roses!

BTW I stopped at Wally World this afternoon to check out the Mobile One grease (already have the oil). They apparently don't sell the grease. Guess I'll try NAPA or Autozone....surely someone carries it in this giant metropolis that I live in!!!

Always appreciate and enjoy your input on THR........

 

[moooose102]

enjoy it while you can. when it does start hicuping. sell it or trade it in. i have been waiting months for replacement parts (springs for heavens sake) for months. the jerks there will not even return phone calls.

 

[FoMoGo]

Waiting for months for springs?
Will standard 1911 springs not work?


Jim

 

[dwave]

Standard springs should work.

 

[Storm]

OldeCodger, just try and talk about an HK, Desert Eagle, or a Five-SeveN and see where that gets you. Same stuff, different side of the coin. It's the Internet and if you spend what some see as too little or too much its all the same stuff. Heck, go over to a revolver formula and try and share a internal lock Smith or to an HK formula and talk about a stock SL8. Everyone has opinions. But then again, isn't that why we come here?

 

[Dookie]

Glad you have fun with the taurus, sounds like a keeper.

Can you not just replace the broken or worn parts with after market goodies?

 

[OleCodger]

Storm.....

Yeah, Storm, Your right. I got a little carried away in my above post and I apologize for my Irish temper. It's just that my original post was really all in fun although it may not have been interpreted that way by some. Was just trying to get a little friendly Taurus discussion started so we could enjoy some friendly exchanges among all of us unfortunate Taurus owners. I just feel sometimes that you could brag on a 72 degree, sunny day and the autumn (in season) color of the leaves and there would be a bunch of soothsayers warning you against looking directly at the sun, remember skin cancer, you're gonna get sunburned, it's the allergy season, yeah but it will soon be winter....etc!!!!!!!

Had I asked for opinions of the Taurus, I realize that I would have left myself wide open and anything goes, but that wasn't the case. Anyway, I got a good nights sleep, the world is beautiful, I checked my Taurus soon as I arose this morning and it screamed....."Let's go to the range!"!! And I took a cup of coffee up to my beautiful Redhead....now what more can a man ask for!!!!!!!

I must remember that opinions are like "elbows", everyone has at least one!!!! Everyone have a great day........even if you do own one of those blasted Kimbers or Colts of which I'll probably have one some day soon........

 

[OleCodger]

Mooooooooooose......

Midway USA should have a set of Wolff springs that would solve your problem. They are a very reliable, reputable company and ship same day most of the time. I ordered a set for a High Standard Military .22 that I have and had them in a couple of days......think it cost me about five bucks......

 

[Storm]

I must remember that opinions are like elbows, everyone has at least one!!!!

True enough, except I was thinking of a body part a little lower down and a bit more to the rear.

No apology necessary. I wrote something very similar to your comments in the revolver section regarding internal locks on Smiths and how every time someone proudly shows their new revolver someone has to say something like "too bad it has a lock". We come to forums happy about our acquisitions or our good fortune to have a properly operating piece only to have our choices nitpicked to death or to be told we should have bought a Glock. I apologize if I contributed to raining on your parade, but, I still stand by my assertion that you shouldn't let the naysayers turn the positive that you know into the negative that they assert. What someone says won't change a thing, but maybe we should be a little more cognizant of when someone is actually seeking opinions rather than just sharing their good fortune.

No, I don't see you as needing to apologize for anything.

 

[OleCodger]

Storm.........

T h a n k s !!