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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by arkansashillbilly, Jun 17, 2010.

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  1. arkansashillbilly

    arkansashillbilly Member

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    So yesterday I head over to a local outfit that sells reloading supplies and ammo they load on site along with a few firearms. I was looking for small pistol primers specifically. Everytime I go here I think that these guys must need better ventilation in the reloading room or something.
    I tell clerk number 1 that I want a 1000 small pistol primers, Remington. Clerk number 2 goes to get them. In the meantime I notice a GI looking, well worn 45 in the display case. Tag says Olympic $675. The slide didn't match the gun as it had basically no finish left, and I thought it was pretty well overpriced, but decided to ask about it anyway. The guy tells me it has a Colt slide, which it did upon further inspection and was chock full of competition parts. Still overpriced in my opinion. Clerk 2 comes back and says they are out of small pistol, but have small rifle. Says it is the same thing, just different packaging. Remington apparently just puts it in different box. I'm not going to argue one way or another. It's not worth my time, but I don't think that's right. But the guy says he toured the plant and watched them do it and they've been subing the small rifle primers in the ammo they load for a while.
    Clerk 1 then tells me he'd take $600 for the Olympic cash money, no paperwork, out the door. Says they are just showing it for someone else in the shop. :uhoh:
    I tell him no thanks. And then he pulls a Taurus out of the case to show me. Says the quality is the same as a Kimber. I kindly tell him I'm looking for something more GI-ish and leave as another guy behind the counter is choking on a mushroom from his pizza, apparently.
    As I was pulling from the parking lot, I notice Clerk 2 standing inside the open rollup door to the reloading shop smoking a cig.
     
  2. deadin

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    Well, you shouldn't have to listen to their misinformation too much longer. They should be shut down soon...:what:
     
  3. BADUNAME37

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    Report that pistol and incident to the ATF.

    As for the primers, look up the specifications. Rifle primers are not the same depth as pistol primers, are they?

    A Taurus as good as a Kimber?
    I don't think so, but what do I know?
     
  4. Arkansas Paul

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    That wouldn't be Blue Star in Searcy would it?
     
  5. arkansashillbilly

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    Arkansas Paul, I don't want to name names, but you must run close circles to me.:)
     
  6. Tim the student

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    Darwin Award candidate. That guy may take care of the shop before the ATF does.
     
  7. huntsman

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    why? what am I missing in this story?
     
  8. Drail

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    Uh- oh, we have ATF agents on the forum now.
     
  9. Rail Driver

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    Uh... if my local gun shop said something like that I'd report it to the ATF too. I certainly don't want illegal guns floating around my neighborhood, it's only sensible to report gross violations like that.

    Of course I'm sure there are those here that regularly break the law, so a simple illegal firearms transfer wouldn't make them bat an eyelash.
     
  10. arkansashillbilly

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    Huntsman,
    a face to face transfer between individuals is fine and dandy for cash and carry, no paperwork, but even if the gun belongs to an individual and not the "shop", it should have been entered in the shop's books and thus be logged out properly, which I think would require me to fill out the paperwork as a buyer. I suppose if the shop had the real owner come by and get his gun then I gave the guy 6 bills on the parking lot it might technically be legal, but who wants to have to test the legalities?
     
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    I'll say. LOL
     
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    Respectfully, and I am pretty sure you did not mean it to sound this way, but it does sound like a classic line from the Brady Campaign. Let's not blame the gun, OK?

    The transaction would be illegal, due to the negligence of a shady FFL holder, but has no bearing upon the legality of the gun itself. I only bring this up because we have to be careful not to inadvertantly show support for the anti-gun groups' claims.
     
  13. Arkansas Paul

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    In a small outfit like that, I doubt seriously that the gun was ever entered into any books. If the owner was on the premises, I don't see a problem with him selling it to you without paperwork. ONLY THE OWNER OF THE FIREARM. If not, I'd pass. I certainly wouldn't want to be a part of an illegal firearms transaction. The way things are now, I would err on the side of caution as well. I think you're right not to test the legalities of things. My rights are precious to me. I don't want them taken away.

    And to those saying they should be shut down soon, they aren't a fly by night operation. They've been is business for over twenty years. They aren't going anywhere.
     
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    If it's in their showcase, it had better be in their book.:uhoh
     
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    I’m no lawyer but I thought the shop had to take in on their books to require the 4473 (as in a consignment?) if the gun belongs to a worker putting in the case would be no different than placing a sign on the counter.
     
  16. arkansashillbilly

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    If it's in the case in a shop, I think I wouldn't want to buy it unless I had to fill out the paperwork. As far as the specific business, I do plan on buying from them on occasion (at least until it goes up in a fireball) to save on shipping and such, but I think I'll keep it to brass and projectiles and maybe ammo cans. I'd hate to get some repackaged powder or primers.
     
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    You're right, I worded that wrong. I would prefer not to have another idiot felon with a gun in my neighborhood :)

    I've never been to a gun shop that would sell ANY firearm without checking ID and putting pen to paper. If the shop has a firearm on offer and actually sells it for the guy without any paperwork then that shop has committed a felony. If they're displaying the firearm and advertising that they'll sell it without paperwork for cash, then they INTEND to commit a felony. In some states, intent is the same as committing the crime. Where the ATF is concerned, I'd stay as far away as possible, and warn anyone I have any regard for to do the same. I would also report the OFFER of an off the books sale to the ATF. It's entirely possible it could be a "sting" operation to try to catch felons that attempt to buy guns, but judging by the other information in the OP, I doubt it. They don't seem to care who they sell to and just don't want to have to deal with paperwork, phonecalls and taxes is what it sounds like to me.
     
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    small point but--if the price is $600 out the door, i wonder if that includes the sales tax---assuming he is legit and gonna collect it and pay it.....
     
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    More misinformation--Small pistol & small rifle have the same dimensions. Large pistol & large rifle are different.

    Now then, back to selling a pistol.
     
  20. FirearmsEnthusiast

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    What would the ATF do?
     
  21. BADUNAME37

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    I don't know, what would they do? :rolleyes:

    As for the small pistol vs. small rifle primers, you are correct, they measure the same, as for dimensions, the difference being in the thickness of the metal - where small rifle primers are typically a thicker metal than small pistol primers. Hey, you guys just taught me something I didn't know! Thanks!

    I would not want to use small pistol primers in a rifle becuase the pressures of most rifles with small primers are typically greater than the pressures of small pistols. There is a possibility that a primer may perforate due to extreme pressure. There is also the possibility of a slam-fire in any guns where there is a floating firing pin.

    I suppose one could use small rifle primers in a pistol, however the strike may be light and the primer may not ignite.
     
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  22. arkansashillbilly

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    With my luck tell them "arkansashillbilly says you tried to sell him a gun without proper paperwork". Then I'd be buying all my brass and projectiles off the net and paying shipping and having to look over my shoulder for people other than my own relatives that don't like me.
     
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    oops - posted a reply into the wrong thread - WTH?
     
  24. BADUNAME37

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    I understand. :uhoh:

    I thought, perhaps they would send someone in who they might try the same thing to, but then that probably would not happen if you frequent the place enough so they basically know you (which sounds like the case, but I could be wrong).

    I guess I feel it is too bad when someone does something a bit on the "shady" side, as it typically ends up having the result of "ruining it for everyone" when the government clamps down and makes up new laws. Kind of a lose-lose situation for the honest person.
     
  25. huntsman

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    So you think a gun shop in a Podunk state like Arkansas selling a gun (that might full well be totally legal) would create new Fed law?

    Stick with the sting theory that at least is humorus.
     
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