Things people say.

[Rail Driver]

So you think a gun shop in a Podunk state like Arkansas selling a gun (that might full well be totally legal) would create new Fed law?

Stick with the sting theory that at least is humorus.

If that gun happens to be sold illegally (or legally for that matter) and then used in a high profile crime it could very well result in a new federal law. It's not the gun's fault (as was mentioned before) it's the fault of the buyer if transferred legally, and both the seller and the buyer if transferred illegally.

As far as the sting theory, I seem to remember awhile back a sting operation run just like that... pistols in the case, undercover offers to sell the pistol to a guy with no paperwork, background check, etc. and as soon as money changes hands cops come out of the woodwork, no different than the prostitution stings.

Podunk state... have you ever been to Little Rock? Doesn't seem so podunk to me.

By the way, your spell check missed humorous.

 

[arkansashillbilly]

I don't think it would matter too much to a fed agency whether it is my podunk state or The Great State of Ohio, sir, where an issue occurs just so long as it gives them ammunition. As you post on this board, I'm sure you are just as concerned as I about further infringement upon our rights as firearms owners and enthusiasts. I think this is the concern Inspector was trying to get at.
I don't think I said anything negative about The Great State of Ohio when you so clearly missed the issue from my original post.

 

[arkansashillbilly]

Fuzzy posted as I was typing. It never occurred to me that I might have been the target of a sting. Interesting idea though.
Thanks for defending my home state by the way.

 

[Rail Driver]

No problem... Arkansas has some great city life and beautiful countryside to see. No one state is any better or worse than any other (except california needs to drop off the map and vermont would be heaven if it wasn't so cold!)

 

[Coyote3855]

When I was an IPSC competitor, it was common to use small rifle primers in .40 S&W reloads. I think the assumption was the rifle primers provided more reliable ignition. Probably an urban legend?

 

[deadin]

It doesn't matter where it is, let Bloomberg know about it and he will have a half dozen "agents" down there trying to buy it. (complete with hidden cameras showing the whole thing)

 

[Werewolf]

Arkansas Paul, I don't want to name names, but you must run close circles to me.

Why not...

This is something I've never understood. Guys post messages like this explaining a situation at a shop and then won't tell people the name of the shop so they can go there if it's a good experience or avoid it if not.

What are y'all afraid of?

I just don't get it...

 

[deadin]

I think the assumption was the rifle primers provided more reliable ignition.

It's always been my understanding that rifle primers are hotter than pistol primers. (Bigger case and more powder to ignite.) So,sure, maybe more reliable ignition, however this also can do bad things to pressure curves unless loaded to allow for it.
The downside is they are also harder than pistol primers, so less reliable of actually going off under the weaker firing pin strike of a pistol as compared to a rifle.

 

[arkansashillbilly]

werewolf,
I figured the smiley was plenty enough confirmation for Arkansas Paul.

deadin,
That is exactly my understanding as well. However thinking about the hardness, I might be better off using small rifle primers for this specific application. I'm loading 9mm for a semiauto Sten MkIII. The harder primers could theoretically provide a little reassurance against potential slamfires. The weapon utilizes an AR15 firing pin and the bolt is fairly heavy. Slamfires with this could result in some eyebrow raising malfunctions that might be heavily frowned on. I think I might do a little experimentation with some primed brass and drop the bolt on it hard a few times before I load a full mag in it.

 

[ccsniper]

I thought a rifle or a pistol could be sold on consignment by the owner and not need an 4473?

 

[Corey]

I thought a rifle or a pistol could be sold on consignment by the owner and not need an 4473?

Nope, if it is on consignment it gets logged just like any other firearm and has the same requirements. You are buying the gun from a licensed dealer so you have to do the paperwork. If you are buying directly from an individual and you are both residents of the same state then there is no paperwork under federal law (state laws can vary)

 

[Werewolf]

I don't want to name names,

I understand that the smiley might have been enough to name the store, maybe. What I am trying to understand is why the reluctance to name names when it comes to a place of business. It's not just you. Lots of posters relate both horror stories and stories which would entice one into a business but for reasons unknown - at least to me - won't name the business. If one is telling the truth there's nothing to fear by naming the store. If not then the story shouldn't be told anyway.

What's the big deal about naming a business?

 

[rmfnla]

"Everytime I go here I think that these guys must need better ventilation in the reloading room or something."

LOL!

 

[CoRoMo]

I've encountered a number of licensees that did not have a full grasp of the regs. A couple actually recommended that I do something that was in fact a felony, but they didn't know it. I simply explained to them what the law says and what the legal procedure actually was. They simply didn't know all the ins and outs of every individual reg, so I gave them the information they hadn't memorized yet. I would never have run screaming to the bureau just because the licensee was mistaken on a subject or two.

 

[arkansashillbilly]

I see your point. My original post was not so much a condemnation of that particular business. It was more a post of "can you believe the nonsense that people will say to sell something". The offer of an illegal transaction would go to display a complete lack of morals in my opinion, but I would still buy brass from them. As I am with any company though, I wouldn't trust them to have the best prices just because they might say they do, I'll still shop around myself to determine that. It is sad to think though that someone could go in there, not know any better and end up loading their ammo with the wrong primers, illegally buy an overpriced 45 used along with a Taurus that they think is on the level with a Kimber.

 

[CoRoMo]

It is sad to think though that someone could go [strike]in there[/strike] anywhere, not know any better and end up...

An ill-informed customer can wind up doing, or falling for, anything, anywhere. If someone takes a salesman's word and buys what he's selling, without any research of their own, it isn't the fault of the salesman.

 

[BADUNAME37]

I agree, like all the snake oil that has been selling like hotcakes on a winter's day!

Anyway, fun thread, and I think we all learned something, I know I did about interchanging small primers in a pinch!

Oh, and not to let some guy try to talk me into something without papers.
LOL

 

[Arkansas Paul]

I've encountered a number of licensees that did not have a full grasp of the regs. A couple actually recommended that I do something that was in fact a felony, but they didn't know it.

I would wager that this is the case in this instance as well. These guys are primarily a brass and bullet company that also sells their own manufactored ammo. I've toured the loading room and it's impressive. They've got three of the $40,000 pneumatic loaders as well as about 20 Dillon 1050s.
My point is, they've just very recently gotten into the selling of firearms. I'm sure their knowledge of the regs isn't up to par. Don't know how much that would help them if they got caught though. I don't know if they would show any mercy or not.

 

[CoRoMo]

The ATF? Show mercy?

Eh, I don't know. We've all certainly memorized a number of the ATF horror stories that have taken place, but nobody ever hears about them giving a fella a pass for his 'honest' mistakes. Those stories will never be told.

With the ATF, you should never expect mercy, but I hope they are capable of it. Mistakes happen, but when you are being watch by the likes of the bureau, you really can't afford to make any.

 

[Zack]

kindly tell him I'm looking for something more GI-ish and leave as another guy behind the counter is choking on a mushroom from his pizza, apparently.
As I was pulling from the parking lot, I notice Clerk 2 standing inside the open rollup door to the reloading shop smoking a cig.

LoL

 

[huntsman]

I don't think it would matter too much to a fed agency whether it is my podunk state or The Great State of Ohio, sir, where an issue occurs just so long as it gives them ammunition. As you post on this board, I'm sure you are just as concerned as I about further infringement upon our rights as firearms owners and enthusiasts. I think this is the concern Inspector was trying to get at.
I don't think I said anything negative about The Great State of Ohio when you so clearly missed the issue from my original post.

First off I didn’t mean Podunk as a slur but only as a sparsely populated, which is why I find it hard to believe a sting or anything else would be going on (I doubt your state garners too much Fed scrutiny) but who knows.

As to whether this deal would have been illegal I haven’t seen any proof here yet that what you described is cut and dried more just a matter of interpretation, for all you know clerk 1 was the owner and just didn’t admit that to you..