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This is what "innovation" for firearms is now a days...

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by TITAN308, Apr 23, 2012.

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  1. TITAN308

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    Yea its a bit personal and it hurts when I get some heat for my, lack of a better description, 'unique' project and it gets boos and snickers.

    Here is you average run of the mill announcement when it comes to a new product,

    http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/04/24/american-tactical-imports-head-down-hd-f-ar-stock/


    Lets not forget the other thread where I shared a companies new "innovation" of an factory A2 stock with a mono-pod built in for $889.00

    Maybe I should just take my project and use cheap plastic, slap some zombie stickers on it and sell it to TAPCO. They could sell it for $3,000 and if I got 20% royalties I'd be happy.

    /rant

    Scuse' me while I go cry in the fetal position. :banghead:
     
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  3. BerettaBob

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    Nah man, don't sell out like that. All those "innovations" they come up with are not worth the plastic they're made of. Its just a bunch of crap targeted at mall ninja's and the like.
     
  4. TITAN308

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    Write the correct number on a check and you can take ownership of our schematics for a tactical plunger for all I care.

    Wouldn't take just any number, but lets get realistic - I'm an average Joe - that dollar amount passes a certain threshold and I will be a sell out so fast that hipsters will make jokes about me.
     
  5. BerettaBob

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    Well you know what they say: "Every man has his price"
     
  6. TITAN308

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    The industry is good for guys who make accessories - look at the zombie craze, but its bad for innovation and honest to goodness new stuff.

    I can see it now...

    "We have invented this ultra light weight game changing industry setting standard free float tube. Its just like our first model, but this time you get SQUARE cut outs for your rails instead of OVALS. Oh yea, are you as excited as us?! See you at SHOT SHOW 2013!"
     
  7. gp911

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    LoL at the hipster comment... Take a new road, tacticool is so 2011, time for steampunk ARs! Get some old brass gauges, copper coils, vacuum tubes, etc and you're in the money. Cha. Ching.
     
  8. Buck Kramer

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    The only thing I consider "new" anymore is when a company reworks the overall function of a firearm. There are several examples like the Remington model 8 "The recoil reloads it!" or the Kriss "V" action. Other than that, just an add on.
     
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    Looks kind of like a knockoff of the Magpul MOE stock, for almost double the price.
     
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    That's how technology goes sometimes. It grows by leaps and bounds until it kind of hits a brick wall. Eventually we'll find a way through the brick wall and break into something that revolutionizes firearms, something that will open up a lot of new possibilities (like the cartridge ammo did or the semi-auto).

    It's funny though that historically war has been the driving factor of new firearms inventions, but in modern warfare the individual firearm is taking a back seat to new drones, bombs, devices, etc.

    I'll give it another 5 years and if nothing good comes up I'll do it. :D
     
  11. TITAN308

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    Look at the design of the skull - looks very similar to another design... hmm :)

    4478023756_0bfa663f7c.jpg

    Look at the lines of the design.

    Companies like this make me sick. I dunno if Magpul got their ideas from somewhere, but companies like the in the OP live off the work of others.

    People should not support this crap.
     
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    I personally find a knock-off plastic stock about as innovative as a weighted-down AR platform benchrest rifle .....
     
  13. TITAN308

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    Well its a good thing there is a whole lot more to it than just a weighted shroud. But you knew that.

    1/10
     
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    I'll hold out for real innovation... "The Limited Zombie Edition -Auto-penned by Robert Rodriguez".
     
  15. TITAN308

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    Would be nice to see a some belt fed receivers hit the market. More companies offering side charging receivers, cause right now there are so few they are asking absurd pricing.
     
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    I don't get it. It's another variant of a collapsible butt stock. I like it, MSRP seems a little high, but I still like it. It has built in cheek rests that flare out more in the front. I don’t recall the MOE having built in cheek rests, I have two and neither of them do.

    Does this make me a mall ninja cuz I like it? What is a mall ninja anyway?
     
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    The problem here is that our federal laws make it extremely risky to invest in these types of innovations.
     
  18. TITAN308

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    Its not really that anyone is saying Magpul did it first, I think the point is this design (and many others) have been re-hashed over and over.

    The main differences are usually are only minor, enough to cover them from a infringement lawsuit. Like in one instance the cheek shelf will be slightly different in shape. In other instances a hand guard will have different patterns cut out of it.

    Pistol Grips and Vert Grips are one of the worst offenders. There are like 100 pistol and vert grips out there. Really? How much unique features can you squeeze into one of those things?
     
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    Feel Better? I guess you haven't caught on to the savage accutrigger and all it's copies yet? I believe the newest "game changer" trigger is on the ruger american.
     
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    Well, as long as people keep buying (insert knockoff or original product here), the manufacturers will keep making them, distributors will keep distributing, and retailers will keep selling them. Stifle that and then we're left with 3 overpriced companies making progressively cheaper and lower quality junk. I think the stock in the OP is overpriced, but has a smoother overall look than the Magpul MOE or CTR stock that it's obviously a copy of. I never cared for stocks with those big fat cheek rests, so you'll never see one of those on my rifle, even if they cut the price in half.

    If you don't like the product, don't buy it - If you don't like it because it's a copy of someone else's product, then either don't buy it, or make one that's not a copy.
     
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    Innovation in firearms has pretty much reached it's zenith decades ago. It's pretty much all about aesthetics now. There really is only so many ways to package and fire a metallic cartridge. Change the color, change the shape a little but you basically have the same thing we were using 100+ years ago.
     
  22. TITAN308

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    Ah, found what I was looking for...

    Top to bottom are the hunter stock ($649)
    Tactical Stock ($889, includes adjustable cheek-piece)
    Picatinny Rail Bipod ($229).

    [​IMG]
     
  23. TITAN308

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    Yea, no ones debating a free market. Actually most will acknowledge these companies are making big bucks in this economy. Just a small rant on my end because if I wanted to I'm sure I could hop on the whole zombie train and make at least a few bucks.

    I'm getting the feeling the more serious stuff will put it out of the price range that most of these companies cater to. So basically it boils down to principals vs. excess cash. Tough decision. lol :(
     
  24. 45_auto

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    Why does it bother you that more than one company makes a similar article?

    Why do you use a knock-off of an Armalite in your project? You really believe that DPMS invented the AR15 platform?
     
  25. TITAN308

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    45_auto you need to learn to be more subtle. Its so blatant I can't take it seriously.

    Still a 1/10 rating.

    Sorry. You should probably hone your skills on BARFCOM being attempting again.
     
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