Why is it folks always think you need door or even windows to get into a house. If it's of anything less than brick or cement it's the job of about 5 seconds with the right stuff. And even brick is susceptible it just takes a bit longer.
This is why locks and doors are more important than guns
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Post #120 has about the best understanding on the topic, as well as secondary topic of signage. (Lord Forgive me for bringing up that one again)
Its about preventitive measure, layers of security, that tells the potential robber each step he continues there is more of a chance of getting caught.
I have built many of the newer homes, and if you live in a newer neighborhood with an HOA and a bunch of look alike homes made with vynal siding, and partial brick. all it takes to get in is a good fresh razor blade in a razor knife.
modern walls today: Vynal siding, on top of some either foam board or cardboard, then the insulation, and then some drywall. and they are in.
Security signs in the yard, motion controlled lights, motion controlled video recording, Sirens for glass break, notices of and visuals of cameras with infared night vision (auto switching by means of available light), then some "large" not ankle bitting foo foo dogs but big dogs is typically enough to deter most any potential thief/robber.
This is just logic and time tested as to why they are still around... and so popular these days. Heck most camera systems are able to be monitored even away from home on a smart phone at any time and offer text alerts. I have all the above except I live in an older limestone home, and have been here for 36 years with not one attempted break in of my home.
Another good idea is neighbor look out for neighbor. chances are not every home on the block will leave the home at the same time. Not so much for all the urban areas, but I live withing 4 min of the downtown Indianapolis so heavily suburban areas and my nirghbors are the best...
The nosy lady across the street sends texts to my GF when a usps truck pulls up so Sign no sign, camera no camera, despite all the negative feedback I will still do me and keep my family safe with every layer of security I can with the hopes of never having to pull a trigger on an intruder.
and all done with no bars or window film...
Its about preventitive measure, layers of security, that tells the potential robber each step he continues there is more of a chance of getting caught.
I have built many of the newer homes, and if you live in a newer neighborhood with an HOA and a bunch of look alike homes made with vynal siding, and partial brick. all it takes to get in is a good fresh razor blade in a razor knife.
modern walls today: Vynal siding, on top of some either foam board or cardboard, then the insulation, and then some drywall. and they are in.
Security signs in the yard, motion controlled lights, motion controlled video recording, Sirens for glass break, notices of and visuals of cameras with infared night vision (auto switching by means of available light), then some "large" not ankle bitting foo foo dogs but big dogs is typically enough to deter most any potential thief/robber.
This is just logic and time tested as to why they are still around... and so popular these days. Heck most camera systems are able to be monitored even away from home on a smart phone at any time and offer text alerts. I have all the above except I live in an older limestone home, and have been here for 36 years with not one attempted break in of my home.
Another good idea is neighbor look out for neighbor. chances are not every home on the block will leave the home at the same time. Not so much for all the urban areas, but I live withing 4 min of the downtown Indianapolis so heavily suburban areas and my nirghbors are the best...
The nosy lady across the street sends texts to my GF when a usps truck pulls up so Sign no sign, camera no camera, despite all the negative feedback I will still do me and keep my family safe with every layer of security I can with the hopes of never having to pull a trigger on an intruder.
and all done with no bars or window film...
You make good points. I think most of the flak you were taking was based on the wanting to injure someone comments. But hey, it's never too late to realize a mistake and adopt a new approach.
I hope for the day when the satellite broadband is way cheaper than it is now. I'd like to get a Ring system that I can monitor while I'm away, but there is no cable TV, landline telephone or Cable internet company infrastructure... just satellite. I'm glad they at least laid down underground electric in my area. I had to clear a 3/4 mile stretch for a trench first before they would even come out here.
I appreciate your input, thanks. I was miss-understood, My words were apparently taken out of context. but anyhow...
My in place items:
-(of course) the much disputed signage,
-Security/alarm service (ADT) for indoor motion and glass break activation.
-My own personal self built 16 camera self contained system. all 16 are displayed on two HD flat screen tv monitors (8 live cams per screen).
cams are 1024p hd waterproof IP67 wide angle IR night/day with auto switching POE (Power Over Eithernet) w/sound and PTZ (joystick movement) for live veiwing and zooming in)
All controlled by a windows based server I built running on an intel board that contains 64g of ram, dual 12 core Xenon processors and an entire bank of 20 solid state hard drives that are backed up daily automatically by the software. It's powered by a 12v battery bank of 6 solar system batteries. batteries are charged off the home AC power thru a solar charge controller with built in battery monitoring and condition reporting. Dvd burner attached for video export
This will keep recording and functioning for up to 6 days continous if power goes out. In the event of power loss, a sensor triggers and the software iniates full 24hr recording until power is restored or the batteries fall flat.
Motion lights are set all around for each camera, motion of the light sets a trigger off in the software for the cameras control and starts recording the three closest cameras on motion light activation of the one that triggered it.
Each motion trigger sends a sms text to my GF & I's phones. the alerts are set up to only send during the hours that we work. when we are home the alert chirps a siren on both levels of the house as well as the basement.. It's not a full blown loud always on siren, but a quick split second chirp.
(Similar to a new home system that chirps everytime the front door opens)
The system is entirely automated and self checking, also utilizes the ADT sensors indoors for camera trigger. I recieve a discount on my HO as well as the ADT system monitoring service. the only maintnance required is every 6 to 8 months I have to clean the processor fans of dust to keep them from overheating and melting.
Then we have the 2 giant great danes, which one (the female) actually watches the camera monitors, any movement and she goes off.
(yes thats kind of a PIA) but its just another alert, that I gladly welcome. the slightest noise she hears outside she runs to the moitor, is movement is seen she does her thing, then the louder deeper bark from the male kicks in ...
Final note: I have had my friendly neighbors come over or call and ask if I see anything on the cams near thier side of the property...
The police have recieved a dvd of a video clip twice.
My dog has no assigned duties... she's good at destroying personal property though.
haha...LOL.
I did not train her for this it was just a bonus I realized one day. When she was a puppy, she was very interested in small animals like the squirrels in the yard. She would freeze and stare it down like a pointer hunting dog raising one front foot.
So as a puppy i played on this and was lightly under my breadth was telling her to "watch it, watch it" and low and behold, as an adult anything in the yerd she watches like a hawk until I tell her to get it, then it's like a lightning bolt to the animal.
A year ago, I seen a animal in the corner of the yard, not sure what it was exactly but it looked like a cat. I assumed this "cat" would get away.. so as she is watching it and raising the one foot, I said "watch it".....paused a bit, and said "get it", she shot out there grabbed that thing so violantly and shook it back and forth, by this time Im running out there and yelling "drop it". She let it go as i got to her, and I seen it was a muskrat from the local creek. sitting there just jerking and convulsing. I felt soo bad, I had to hurry and get a shovel and put it out of it's misery. I no longer tell her to "get it".
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That's not the police's decision.
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Very true but seems an open invitation to crime. Lawmakers and criminals seem in same league.
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Sadly true.
Well, I will quote myself, from a reply I just posted in the “Keeping A Gun At The Ready” discussion:
“Once upon a time, as a young buck street cop, in the Eighties, I was chasing a bad guy, on foot. The bad guy ran toward an occupied home, and ran right through a glass door, without sustaining any significant cuts, and proceeded into the interior of the house. He was nice enough to make an opening plenty big enough to me to follow, without cutting myself, so I stayed right on his heels, for the capture.”
“Once upon a time, as a young buck street cop, in the Eighties, I was chasing a bad guy, on foot. The bad guy ran toward an occupied home, and ran right through a glass door, without sustaining any significant cuts, and proceeded into the interior of the house. He was nice enough to make an opening plenty big enough to me to follow, without cutting myself, so I stayed right on his heels, for the capture.”
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Karma, Hard lesson learned, Tragedy
We had a coffee pot discussion, one morning at work, about keeping doors locked. (about 1983)
One of the guys was calling everybody paranoid. Saying he loved in a nice, quiet neighborhood, not the ghetto and he never locked his doors.
3 days later, he doesn't show up for work.
The next morning, he comes in. Tells us, they day before, 7:15, his 2 daughters (12 & 14) are eating breakfast, Wife in kitchen, he is getting dressed in the bedroom.
Neighbor woman (4 doors down) comes running in front door, screaming. Her husband a few steps behind, butcher knife in hand. He catches her at the kitchen entry and stabs her repeatedly. Turns, walks out and goes home.
The 3 house she passed, had locked doors.
We had a coffee pot discussion, one morning at work, about keeping doors locked. (about 1983)
One of the guys was calling everybody paranoid. Saying he loved in a nice, quiet neighborhood, not the ghetto and he never locked his doors.
3 days later, he doesn't show up for work.
The next morning, he comes in. Tells us, they day before, 7:15, his 2 daughters (12 & 14) are eating breakfast, Wife in kitchen, he is getting dressed in the bedroom.
Neighbor woman (4 doors down) comes running in front door, screaming. Her husband a few steps behind, butcher knife in hand. He catches her at the kitchen entry and stabs her repeatedly. Turns, walks out and goes home.
The 3 house she passed, had locked doors.
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Was your co-worker able to help her?
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He was getting his Wife and daughters out of the house.
When he went back in, she was gone.
Hubby sat on front of his house, until cops arrived.
Jumped up, knife in hand, ran at cops, screaming. Suicide by cop.
Took several minutes for cops to ask about whereabouts of the woman.
He ended up selling the house.
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Hello staff member ;new member here
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Thats a sad story but it happens. Was shown a house here and agent was required to say the house had been broken into by a bum who after living there for several days subsequently died on the premises. The fact really kept the place from selling for a long time and affected the sales price as well. Had the place had either a monitored alarm or cheapy net camera this could have been avoided. One additional benefit to a net connected security camera is that alarms are sent to your phone alerting if power/the net goes down. Ours allows us to turn on the flood light, sound the siren and scare the crap out of friend and foe alike with the intercom. Nice for salesmen and religious types too. Even videos of animal visitors are a hoot. Not a 3" oak door but quite a lot for less than 80 bucks.
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Hi new member here; maybe I’ll put this post where goes K; so glad to hear that u gals are responsible for the 40% in new gat n ammo sales and mean to say 40%are women new Gun owners .another cause of shortage s. I feel is as a metals producer ( aluminum/ alumni) and others ,these makers of copper,lead,brass are connected very much so to the world markets ,that can be driven by criminals,with their own agenda (deep state )after a life in industry this is apparent to me . We opened the plant for the 3rd time and met ppl from all over the world ,the light went off.
That cover your ASP guy is doing great work!
Met a lady in our neighborhood the bad guy was in her house for 2 hours
He went through all the Christmas presents ( got the best) and walked out ,they checked the cameras and called the cops ,they caught him .the point here is all doors were locked but one and no curtain s.nice window shopping .layers layers layers a must !
If you live in Arizona and someone break s your door down kicks your butt and rob s you and u shoot them
They pass,you will go to jail for murder ,know the laws!
That cover your ASP guy is doing great work!
Met a lady in our neighborhood the bad guy was in her house for 2 hours
He went through all the Christmas presents ( got the best) and walked out ,they checked the cameras and called the cops ,they caught him .the point here is all doors were locked but one and no curtain s.nice window shopping .layers layers layers a must !
If you live in Arizona and someone break s your door down kicks your butt and rob s you and u shoot them
They pass,you will go to jail for murder ,know the laws!
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That does not reflect the law in Arizona.
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We reside in a rural county adjacent to a most visited State Park. With that said we have a weekly news paper which includes the counties Sherriff Dept. report which gives one an idea of what is occurring in our area of residence. Illisset drug usage appears to be the predominant criminal activity as opposed to other criminal activities. Shooting and armed robbery incidents are extremely rear in occurrence.
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My door is usually only unlocked for about fifteen to thirty seconds per day. When I leave I take a quick look around lock the door, and when I get back I take a quick look around, unlock, walk through and lock behind me (after a quick cursory inspection of the interior, from the door). On rare occasion in nice weather I may leave the door unlocked while I have the Traegar going in front of it but in that case, I'm armed.
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Pulldeaux, you are absolutely WRONG! AZ has stand your ground and Castle Doctrine laws. When they actually step foot into your house after kicking the door down they are fair game.
13-411. Justification; use of force in crime prevention; applicability
A. A person is justified in threatening or using both physical force and deadly physical force against another if and to the extent the person reasonably believes that physical force or deadly physical force is immediately necessary to prevent the other's commission of arson of an occupied structure under section 13-1704, burglary in the second or first degree under section 13-1507 or 13-1508, kidnapping under section 13-1304, manslaughter under section 13-1103, second or first degree murder under section 13-1104 or 13-1105, sexual conduct with a minor under section 13-1405, sexual assault under section 13-1406, child molestation under section 13-1410, armed robbery under section 13-1904 or aggravated assault under section 13-1204, subsection A, paragraphs 1 and 2.
B. There is no duty to retreat before threatening or using physical force or deadly physical force justified by subsection A of this section.
C. A person is presumed to be acting reasonably for the purposes of this section if the person is acting to prevent what the person reasonably believes is the imminent or actual commission of any of the offenses listed in subsection A of this section.
D. This section includes the use or threatened use of physical force or deadly physical force in a person's home, residence, place of business, land the person owns or leases, conveyance of any kind, or any other place in this state where a person has a right to be.
We customarily discourage the rote cutting and pasting of state laws.
No one should rely on a lay person's understanding of the text.
However, the above post should prove useful in countering an obviously incorrect characterization of AZ law.
No one should rely on a lay person's understanding of the text.
However, the above post should prove useful in countering an obviously incorrect characterization of AZ law.
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