This isn't good... Library Police shoot at car - Anderson, SC

[c_yeager]

Why not just get the license number and prosecute through proper channels? What is it, a misdemeanor, right?

setting off the door alarm at the library isnt a crime at all. This guy would be on shaky ground if he even detained someone, let alone shot at them.

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Bad Shoot

There is pretty much no configuration I can come up with that makes this a good shoot.

If you're going to go to the trouble of putting an armed guard on premises, you would think a set of decent quality security cameras would be in place.

With a picture of the suspect and a photo of the car (and likely the plate), the whole thing can proceed at a much more leisurely pace.

Besides, nowhere in the article does it mention the tactical roll. Engaging a suspect armed with a car, and no tactical roll? Amateur.

 

[Thefabulousfink]

Good Shoot?

She was obviously stealing the last issue of "Entertainment Weekly"

I guess this proves that the Anti's are right, some people shouldn't have guns....


and at least one of those people wears a badge.

 

[drbironhead]

This guy needs to go to jail why would You shoot somebody over a something that may or maynot be stolen. Why dident he move when the car was coming towards him. Why is their armed guards at the library.

 

[BobTheTomato]

2 Things:

First, no book is worth shooting someone over. As others suggested just get the plate number if you want to be a hero and recover the 8 dollars for the paperback that was stolen.

Second, many of those door alarms can be faulty. They used to go off quite often at walmart. I always found the best policy was to just keep walking and not stop. I have only ever had one person chase after me and ask to see my reciept to which I replied, "No, I paid for this stuff. Call the cops if you want to and then I can sue you." Just because you think someone stole something dosent mean they did.

 

[kungfuhippie]

"No, I paid for this stuff. Call the cops if you want to and then I can sue you." Just because you think someone stole something dosent mean they did.

Wow, I'd hate to have been the friendly greater that day

Aparently many of you guys live in safe neighborhoods. I use to, haven't moved, but in 17 years my home town went from "safe place to live" to "soon to be the bane of the Inland Empire" We have a rent-a-cop at our library, next door to the police station. It's a deterant for people who think the library is for more than reading. Yeah, rent-a-cop was an idiot. Most convinence stores fire any clerks that persue or atempt to stop a beer-grabber (you know kids that grab a 12 pack or two and run out the door) That's because most often the crook wants to get away quick, not fight. And medical bills/life insurance/law suits are much more expensive than books or beer.

 

[Library Guy]

Now I know why...

Now I know why they don't let me keep a gun at the reference desk. I can imagine the carnage...

<Patron> I wanna know if mens ever grow breastisis and do milk come out of them?

<me> BLAM!

<Patron> Can I take bath in your restroom? I brought my own soap?

<me> BLAM slack clack BLAM!

<Patron> I'm looking for a book, it's about this big and yellow and is by some guy I saw on TV.

<me> BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM Ping...

Regards,
LG Roy

 

[jcoiii]

Ok, bad shoot, granted. but I'd bet the guard shot because he thought the lady was trying to run him over, NOT BECAUSE SHE STOLE A BOOK.

Still a stupid shoot, and entirely unnecessary.

 

[wolf_from_wv]

Makes ya wonder what they might do to "late fee" scaliwags.

We turn them over to a collection agency, and put a block on their record.

The public library in a neighboring county had an article in the paper saying they would be sending the Sheriff's Department.

(Everyone seems to mention the $8 paperbacks, and not the $200+ CRC handbooks, not that either is worth shooting someone for. )

 

[gezzer]

The real question is Why did the Library hire an ARMED guard in the first place?

 

[grimjaw]

I'm trying to think of why, as a security at a (public?) library, that I would feel the need to chase down a person who stole a library book. Get video surveillance records, get license plate number, prosecute. I can't think of why I would put myself in harm's way for sed book, assuming that's what he did and she didn't run up on the curb to "brush" him.

It might have been a justified shoot, but he exercised poor judgement in getting there from what I can see. We don't have all the facts, though, just these short articles.

jm

 

[Derby FALs]

He was in fear for his life after the bumper hit him.

 

[Librarian]

Library Police?

I don't remember that class in grad school.

 

[Sunray]

And people laugh when I talk about the 'Book Police'. Get your books back on time.

 

[Axman]

Maybe it's because you had a Barney Fife "guarding" your library.

Except one problem, Barney would have had the ammo in his shirt pocket.

 

[Vairochana]

Library poleethman?
Why the hel# does a library have an armed guard- how can they possibly justify that?:banghead:

 

[mike101]

Armed Guards At Libraries ???

Never heard of such a thing. It's absolutely unnecessary. The guard would have moved, if he had any sense, and not allowed the car to brush his knee.He sounds like an idiot.

Maybe it's time for Gun Free Library Zones. Do it for the children.

 

[svtruth]

What's next?

SWAT teams breaking down the doors of people with overdue books?

 

[wolf_from_wv]

The public library a block away usually has someone from the City Police stationed there. Two girls were arguing over a guy until one pulled a pistol out. "Women of the night" (and men of the night, too) were using the phones to set up, well, what they set up... The library attracts street people and people who decide that they don't need to take their medication. Here, we've had to call the police on 5-6 people - one had been picked up for stalking and decided to come in here drunk. We've been instructed to go in the office, shut the door, and call 911. I just wish the walls were something other than drywall... Someone might :banghead: until they get through...

 

[Franco2shoot]

The story stinks

Come on now.. Lets review.. We're at a LIBRARY!
She walks through door and alarm goes off....
<normal person reaction at least my wife> Look round, is my skirt OK? Hmm what caused that... Definitly not PANIC!!

Even if she has 20 bucks in outstanding late fees and decides to run, if it's my wife, she's got High heels on and on my worst day, and I'm 62, I can catch her before she gets to the car...

Next, she gets to the car... again, using my wife as typical... we're talking 5 minutes to rummage through the purse just to find the keys, then once she slides her "You know what" in its another minute or so just to get the key in the ignition... In this story, the gal gets to her car faster than the guard, gets her keys, and manages to start it up get in gear and brush past him.... Hello, didn't they leave out that the bumper brushed his Walker?

Finally, he is armed pulls out what, a .38? Destroys door? Huh... Maybe the back window of a minivan, if you want to call that a door.
And just how big is this town? They can't find the missing patron in lets say 20 minutes?

I must say I really want to know more cuz this is more like an Andy Griffith Mayberry story than for real LE tale.

KKKKFL

 

[joab]

It's amazing how badly the opinion of the media is in one thread, and then a news story is taken as 100% accurate in another thread.

Welcome to Cop Bash Central. I offer the title of the thread, even thought the referenced article makes no such claim, as exhibit A

“I have been in this business 40 years and I have never had this happen before,” Anderson County Library Director Carl Stone said.

Then why did he feel the need to arm his security guards

Mr. Stone said the library pays Cherokee Security Systems to provide a guard for the library during operating hours, mainly as a presence. Usually, guards help retrieve lost items, or just help keep things quiet.

Then why did he feel the need to arm his security guards

Library director Carl Stone said he's asked Cherokee Security Systems not to send Turner back to the library.

No mention of whether or not he will feel the need to arm the next one.

Sounds like Mr. Stone is simply trying to distance himself from Library policy that as director he most likely had a hand in establishing

 

[disaster67]

when i iwas younger i worked for pinkerton for several years the job of a gaurd is to ---observe-- detect--- and report. he should have followed her to the car got the make model and plate and turned it over to the cops the only time you confront the bg is when somone is in a life or death situation

 

[Sportcat]

Joab,

The thread title was not meant to bash the security officer.

 

[tellner]

The library director seems to be satisfied with the story. Security guards will no longer be allowed to carry guns. Turner, the asshat who shot at the woman, has been sacked.

"Library director Carl Stone ... said nobody should be hurt over a missing library book."

 

[History Prof]

<me> BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM Ping...

Man, I knew archivists were uptight, but reference librarians always seem more laid back to me. I'll have to look behind the reference desk here to see how many M1s are back there. Welcome to the forum, Library Guy.

Library Police?

I don't remember that class in grad school.

When I was an undergrad, I was a student security employee (armed only with a radio) with the campus PD. We (the student employees, not the gun carrying police officers) did library security. Our three main jobs were to walk the stacks to have a "presence," respond to alarms if one of the fire exit alarms went off, and to patrol the mens' rooms. Patrol the mens' rooms? Yea....

If the book alarms went off, it was the library staff's job to respond. Go figure.