This isn't good... Library Police shoot at car - Anderson, SC

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Guard Speaks Out

http://www.andersonindependent.com/news/2007/jan/09/guard-speaks-out-about-library-shooting/

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Guard speaks out about library shooting
By Charmaine Smith-Miles (Contact)
Tuesday, January 9, 2007

As James Turner stared down at car headlights headed for him in the Anderson County Library parking lot on Saturday, he said instinct told him to pull his weapon and fire.

“When the car started to move, I pulled my weapon,” said Mr. Turner, a longtime security guard who had been assigned to the library since October. “It all went down in a split second. And I was afraid for my life. It scared me so bad I had to go to the hospital that night.”

The one shot Mr. Turner fired as woman fled the library for an unknown reason has rocked the library and may lead to new security policies. It is the first known shooting at the library. The woman was not believed injured, but hasn’t been identified.

Mr. Turner said he responded after the woman refused to stop after she set off an alarm while exiting the library.

On Saturday, he said, the situation he faced was truly bizarre. Mr. Turner said he feels that whatever she was running from was more than the threat of punishment for stealing a book. He said he asked her several times to stop. As she ran out of the building, he said she turned to him and told him to stop chasing her.

Once in the parking, she headed for the car, aimed at him and put it in drive, he said.

“She started forward slowly and then she hit me,” James Turner said. “That’s when I fired my weapon. And she gunned it.”

Mr. Turner, 50, said he has encountered all types of situations at the library. Just a week before, he said he had trouble getting an intoxicated man to leave the library. In that case, he said he called the police and had the man arrested.

He also said some people have had their wallets stolen, and he has been cursed at by teenagers when they are told to throw away drinks and the like.

Police have not been able to track down the woman. She was seen leaving in a red vehicle, but the guard did not get her tag number.

The incident has prompted library Director Carl Stone to consider using the Anderson County Park Police instead of a private firm. In the meantime, Mr. Stone said he has asked guards to work the library without guns at their side. The issue of guards using firearms has never been discussed, he said.

Cherokee Security Systems, where Mr. Turner is employed, has provided security at the library for nearly 20 years. The owner of the company, Roger E. Turner, defended his guard’s actions. The men are not related.

“He just barely got out of her way,” Roger Turner said. “At that split-second moment, he feared for his life. It was just a survival instinct. People can second-guess his decision but it was his life.”

All privately employed security guards are certified through a six-hour course approved by the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division. Those who carry guns must also go through firearms training. And each year, guards’ must submit to a criminal background check to keep their guard certification.

Once they have the certification, the guards have the same arresting power as a deputy.

In James Turner’s case, he had worked for Pinkerton Security before he was hired on at Cherokee. From 1986-88, James Turner worked as a guard at the library. He went on to guard several other local companies and then came back to the library in October.

As far as James Turner sees it, he said the library is a lot more dangerous than people realize and that security guards he knows won’t work with the public, in a similar situation, without having a firearm.

“You cannot get a police officer to go up there without a gun,” James Turner said. “We get into the same situations as police do. So why put us out there where we can get our heads blown off?”
 
Library-Ninja jokes

I can't believe no one has come up with "Library Ninja" as opposed to mall ninja jokes yet...

So without further ado, let me say that Mr. Turner did this one, by the book, if you will... <boo>


Library ninja Haiku!!!!!!

Over the Counter
Reading Glasses on that man
Why are they tinted?

Suspicious people
all over my library
they make me nervous

he requests info
"dewey decimal system"
is what i tell him

Periodicals,
newspapers, and magazines
Poor ballistic shield.

He walks aimlessly
cannot find library card
doubletap to face
 
The thread title was not meant to bash the security officer.
No?
This isn't good... Library Police shoot at car - Anderson, SC
It sure wasn't meant to praise him, and why mention the police they had nothing to do with the incident. Simple police malfeasance draws hits


I have a question
Why has the woman not come forward if she was guilty of nothing?
If you shoot at me and the following media attention is clearly against my assailant I would certainly come forward. How else am I gonna explain the bullet hole to the body man?

Maybe they'll find the car abandoned in a parking lot or at the bottom f a lake someday
 
Once in the parking, she headed for the car, aimed at him and put it in drive, he said.

They're coming right at us!

:rolleyes:

I wonder if he was thinking his own action movie soundtrack at the time? The fact that he shot the driver's door, not the front, means he wasn't in front of the car. Charges are warranted, IMO.
 
With 11 years of LE experience,...from what has been revealed....NO he should not have fired. We don't see her hitting the accelerator and aiming the car at him....and if she did he would have been too busy diving out of the way to draw and shoot. It appears he knew she was about to drive off and got too close to the car...probably stood in stupid place to try to stop her....it brushed his knee a bit...he wasn't using good judgement (understatement.) If this guard was this flakey, sounds like she had a good reason to flee the scene. But to draw and shoot into the car? That's nuts! What if there had been others in the car....children? What if by some wild chance the round exited the car and hit someone else?
It's sad, but there are security guards and LE officers out there with very little common sense carrying guns. I'm not knocking hard working, honest guards and LE officers, but not everyone is cut out for it.
 
Is it possible the lady got an emergency call, she ran out to her car to attend to the emergency... didn't notice the rentacop or just chose to ignore him since the urgent matter was more important. Then when driving away SHE reacted to a threat on her life when he pulled a gun on her. Since there is no video then it's up in the air as to who instigated a potencial threat to life.

Maybe she didn't expect some guy to chase her into the parking lot and bumped him because he put himself in the path of the vehicle.

No matter what lethal force shouldn't be used for the theft of merchandise.

Obviously none of us know what really happened so speculation is the only method of analysis.

It certainly sounds fishy to me.

I think most sane guards would have just attempted to get a plate number.
 
I believe there is more to this story...but my one question would be, if he was scared for his life, why did he take a shot at the car door...obviously that wouldnt stop a car from doing him harm...:confused:
 
Stolen Jay Leno jokes

I can't believe no one has come up with "Library Ninja" as opposed to mall ninja jokes yet...

Jay Leno just had two jokes in his monologue. Here they go:

They're complaining someone tried to steal a book? Here in LA, if a kid stole a book, they might actually read it.

If the guy is an armed guard in a library, does that mean he has to use a silencer?
 
Can't shoot at a moving vehicle in Florida. Big no no. Under the what if scenario.

1 ) Perp tries to run over officer, officer evades, perp escapes. Cannot fire.

2 ) Perp tries to run over Officer. Officer evades, perp puts car in reverse, tries again. Officer can fire, only if there is no avenue of escape.

3 ) Officer fires and kills driver, who is careening out of control in a 2000 lb plus motor vehicle with no one driving. Officer may go to jail. For a long time.

Stretch

Quit the nasty 6D 21h 32m (6 days) ago. Saved $41.38, forgot 275 cigarettes. Got 22h 55m of my life back. My Quit Date: 1/4/2007 3:00 AM
 
Scared to death ... fired 1 shot ???

I still, especially now, call foul. If scared to death, why did he fire 1 shot? The car was still going? Sounds like a cover-up. After the first shot he knew he screwed up and stopped. To help cover his ignorance, he invented the trauma so bad that he had to go to the hospital. I'm not buying it.

Doc2005
 
I would bet money that if the same story was written but instead of rent-a-cop the shooter was a LEO that at least half the posters would be supporting the shooter.
 
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Truth is stranger than fiction. Even a B movie hollywood writer would'nt think
up a story like this one. The Library Police....find it in your book section right next to the New Centurions.
 
According to a police report, Turner chased the woman as she ran to her car and he said the bumper brushed his knee as she pulled away.

Look, the Library Donut muncher may or may not be a total idiot. I don't know. But the press certainly cannot be trusted. The press reports typically said that the Stripper Club Gangsta who was just about ready to marry Babymama in NY just "brushed" a cop in before getting ventilated with around 50 shots. Reality is that he struck two cops and rammed the vehicle the others were in.

If it were a clear cut misuse of force, the guy probably would have been arrested on the spot. (Maybe he was? Who knows?)

But I'll tell you this, the library perpetrator is lucky the Library Ninja's aren't trained yet because a .338 through the firewall would have really taken care of this situtation.

One also wonders how dangerous the libaries are in Anderson, South Cackalacka. Must be a very bad neighborhood. But they don't want the other guy back. Just send some other armed guard. :?:
 
My guess is this was a klepto transvestite who didn't want his secret out in public. :D

When you get shot at the one thing which isn't on your list of things to do is stopping to allow them better aim. Guaranteed!
 
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