spitballer
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Whoa. That's enough for me. Glad you're still with us, and hope you get to the bottom of this. I recently ruined a box of cases with my experimenting but this thread is the clincher. From now on I go by the book!
Thought I was doing everything correctly until the big bang
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243winxb
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Range brass
Trim Length - each piece must be checked, as mixed headstamp/lots will grow at different rates. If to long, the bullet gets crimped into the chamber. This will raise pressure.
rcmodel
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I gotta go with the 'had to be pistol powder' camp.
No way a simple overcharge of H-335 can shatter a receiver like that.
rc
No way a simple overcharge of H-335 can shatter a receiver like that.
rc
Traffer
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Wow, I am very sorry for your misfortune. By the looks of that gun, I am glad you are still with us to tell the story. I sincerely hope you have a 100% recovery. Maybe this warning to us all will save someone else's life. I will certainly be more careful now.
My two cents are the obvious, It LOOKS like foreign object in the barrel. But an over charged round could also be responsible. Ruling out double loading, I can't imagine what would have caused it. I hope that Savage can help you figure out what happened. Please keep us informed.
My two cents are the obvious, It LOOKS like foreign object in the barrel. But an over charged round could also be responsible. Ruling out double loading, I can't imagine what would have caused it. I hope that Savage can help you figure out what happened. Please keep us informed.
If you read the posts that followed, I think you achieved your objective. Thank you for being willing to share this tragic experience with everyone here. I am sure that I am not the only one who will be praying for rapid healing of your eye and hand.
I have a savage axis heavy barrel and began with about 50-60 factory rounds and they always had a hard time chambering but not being a reloader at the time I shot them anyways. fast forward to reloading I started getting rounds that didn't go off due to not priming deep enough or something and when I pulled the round out it has nasty cuts on the bullet. I chambered factory rounds and got the same thing and factory was seated deeper than my reloads. guns off to savage for inspection. I'm thinking its a headspace issue. I have a few guys look at it and compared my other savage to the one in question and they said there was noticible bolt force to close one to the other.
glad your somewhat ok. deffenitly send it to savage.
glad your somewhat ok. deffenitly send it to savage.
If you are considering taking legal action against Savage or anyone else who manufactured or supplied components used in the rifle - and I am not recommending or suggesting that you do, that is purely your decision - then you may want to talk with an experienced product liability lawyer before sending the rifle to Savage.
In the event of litigation the rifle will need to be available for forensic analysis by experts working on behalf of the various parties and if it is Savage's hands you will no longer control its availability for such testing.
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makes me glad I don't load pistol ammo
Elkins45
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Agreed. I would also love to see if the chamber suffered any sort of deformation. Maybe he would have experienced a case head failure and a gas blowout, but not the clean split shown in that photo.
Glad you lived to tell... is their any way more than one cartridge was loaded and the bullet could of been progressing as shots were fired?, I still dout it was the problem, but guess its possible....As far as I know the only "once fired" range brass is brass that you will have to swage the crimp on after depriming...would like to here about the previous loads and some technics... thank you for sharing
everything you describe screams pistol powder in a rifle load. Look up the load you used in a Lyman book, and it will probably be well below max compared to the Hodgden data. Its hard to imagine getting that much damage from enough rifle powder in a case. Easy to do that damage with pistol powder. I could not see it being from seating in the lands. The only other reason i could think would be used powder, an unlikely factory mislabel on the powder, or a very major defect in the rifle. If you are absolutely certain you used the correct powder, call the manufacturer and tell them.
I just can't see H-335 doing this, with 80% capacity and not a double load. Thank you for sharing and reminding me to s-l-o-w-d-o-w-n when reloading and never having more than one powder canister out and open, at any one time, even if that wasn't it.
First of all. ..let me say thank yall (southern) for all or your wishing me well and praying for me comments. When thinking back...I can't understand why I did not receive a lot more damage to my face having it that close to the explosion. My hand took much damage because I hold down on my scope. The upper left part of the reciver is gone and can not find it. I was shooting right next to a wall with my barrel poking through a hole.
I want to answer all the questions. I've vied and written down and will post next in one response.
I want to answer all the questions. I've vied and written down and will post next in one response.
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I would love to know what went wrong.
This was first shot with new h-335
All the brass with Max loads with Varget looked good.
Was going by hogdon chart for maximum load...23gr at 2814 fps
No pistol powder was left in the thrower. I have two 650. One for 9mm and one for 45. I have not loaded pistol in a year. I'm using rcbs singe stage for rifle.
Also...I use a Johnson Quick measure. The last power in it was varget and loaded out all that was in the cylinder.
I think it was the original barrel. The gun was 9 years old when I bought it. It looked brand new .
I would like to have the powder analyzed.
Mr Johnson at Quick measure told me that a batch can vary as much as 15% ...I was thinking he was referring to the potency or speed.
It can not be a double charge....it would overflow the case...as a few have said.
I do Check the height of power in the cases as loading.
I had loaded about 120. I seated 100 bullets with a Redding competition die. I still have about 15 still in the loading tray. The powder weight out good and powder height looks good.
I will return my 6.5 C. Before I shoot it again. I was still on factory Hornady and Prime Ammo loads.
The only thing I thought could get in the barrel was a dirt dobber. I just shot the day before with a spotter. I left my rifle out side at a private range for about 30 min while I was spotting for him. Then put in my truck, and in my home when I got there.
I don't want to have a law suit. I am gonna take Masterpiece Piece Arms offer and check it out before I send it back. I think the information I'll receive here at THR will me valuable and appreciated. If everyone thinks I need to pursue some other Avenue...I'll take a look at that. I do hope my experience can and will help you all and maybe prevent this from happening to anyone in the future.
The gun people I've met in my life have all been nice and we have something in common that we all seem to get! I want to answer all questions so...if I missed anything or something else...please ask. Thanks
Richard
This was first shot with new h-335
All the brass with Max loads with Varget looked good.
Was going by hogdon chart for maximum load...23gr at 2814 fps
No pistol powder was left in the thrower. I have two 650. One for 9mm and one for 45. I have not loaded pistol in a year. I'm using rcbs singe stage for rifle.
Also...I use a Johnson Quick measure. The last power in it was varget and loaded out all that was in the cylinder.
I think it was the original barrel. The gun was 9 years old when I bought it. It looked brand new .
I would like to have the powder analyzed.
Mr Johnson at Quick measure told me that a batch can vary as much as 15% ...I was thinking he was referring to the potency or speed.
It can not be a double charge....it would overflow the case...as a few have said.
I do Check the height of power in the cases as loading.
I had loaded about 120. I seated 100 bullets with a Redding competition die. I still have about 15 still in the loading tray. The powder weight out good and powder height looks good.
I will return my 6.5 C. Before I shoot it again. I was still on factory Hornady and Prime Ammo loads.
The only thing I thought could get in the barrel was a dirt dobber. I just shot the day before with a spotter. I left my rifle out side at a private range for about 30 min while I was spotting for him. Then put in my truck, and in my home when I got there.
I don't want to have a law suit. I am gonna take Masterpiece Piece Arms offer and check it out before I send it back. I think the information I'll receive here at THR will me valuable and appreciated. If everyone thinks I need to pursue some other Avenue...I'll take a look at that. I do hope my experience can and will help you all and maybe prevent this from happening to anyone in the future.
The gun people I've met in my life have all been nice and we have something in common that we all seem to get! I want to answer all questions so...if I missed anything or something else...please ask. Thanks
Richard
I'm curious about the fractured receiver pictures. The one picture that shows the upper half specifically. It looks like discoloration of the metal in a couple places. One area is just forward of the ejection port - that area looks odd, and like a possible initiation site. The other area is to the left of the gas port.
As you mentioned the rifle was several years old when you bought it, I'm wondering if you did anything wrong at all. Could be the receiver was cracked beforehand. IF the discoloration is there and isn't just an artifact of the lighting and photo it may be a sign that it has been cracked for a long time, long enough for gas, carbon, oils, etc. to cause discoloration.
As you mentioned the rifle was several years old when you bought it, I'm wondering if you did anything wrong at all. Could be the receiver was cracked beforehand. IF the discoloration is there and isn't just an artifact of the lighting and photo it may be a sign that it has been cracked for a long time, long enough for gas, carbon, oils, etc. to cause discoloration.
All brass was trimmed with a little crow trimmer.
Another thing I did was. I used a flash hole deburring tool on every piece of brass and taped it a couple of times to get the brass shaving out.
Blue68f100
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The fracture face show indications of a classic fatigue failure. These can start from any high stress edge/corner, machining marks. Hard to know for sure without have it in hand. Need to see it under a microscope or good macro lens where you can see the grain easier. If you look under a microscope the peaks will point back to the where it started. The dark area indicates that it had been cracked for some time, exposed to oil and powder reside.
A good metallurgist will be able to pin point the origin fairly easy.
A good metallurgist will be able to pin point the origin fairly easy.
shootniron
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What should be used?
Most of us don't have pressure testing equipment to rely on.
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