shootniron
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Glad you are ok...you are definitely blessed.
SURE makes me think it might have been the wrong powder.
SURE makes me think it might have been the wrong powder.
Thought I was doing everything correctly until the big bang
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I did see some of this...but more now after you pointed it out. Thanks
H 38 and tight group
I asked Savage this question because of the way it looked. They said it was not cast
"What should be used?
Most of us don't have pressure testing equipment to rely on."
Chronograph to measure velocity. While not precise, much better than waiting till you get excessive pressure signs. And yes , if I see excessive pressure signs, it overrules the velocity reading.
Most of us don't have pressure testing equipment to rely on."
Chronograph to measure velocity. While not precise, much better than waiting till you get excessive pressure signs. And yes , if I see excessive pressure signs, it overrules the velocity reading.
Thanks. I believe the more crystalline looking area will be where the metal just failed from overload.
Typically in a fatigue failure you'll have some point that you can identify as an initiation point, then crack growth that will look like tree rings or high water lines on a hill side, then at some point the metal / structure is just too weak to cary the load and will fail from overload.
I was wondering about the casting or forging as castings will not typically have the ductility of a forging - and will have less fatigue capability. The ultimate strengths may be quit similar but ductility or elongation and fatigue life will be less. Casting are also a more prone to failure from flaws which can serve as initiation points as well.
Typically in a fatigue failure you'll have some point that you can identify as an initiation point, then crack growth that will look like tree rings or high water lines on a hill side, then at some point the metal / structure is just too weak to cary the load and will fail from overload.
I was wondering about the casting or forging as castings will not typically have the ductility of a forging - and will have less fatigue capability. The ultimate strengths may be quit similar but ductility or elongation and fatigue life will be less. Casting are also a more prone to failure from flaws which can serve as initiation points as well.
R.W.Dale
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I'm with you. Barring an obstruction or a manufacturing defect the ONLY other thing that will spontaneously disassemble a modern bolt action rifle is a pistol powder
It would had to come in in the top of the 8 lbs jug.
I looked at all 3 with a magnifier. Also looked at the reciver with magnifier. ..I see what looks like old damage on both sides like John pointed out
What ever happened happened fast and it happened between the barrel face and bolt. After that whatever happened created more escaping gas than the rifle was designed to handle.
The cause; Bruce Hodgdin came to our house; he received two telephone calls the day before about two failures. He had to determine if the two failures were related to his powder. Bruce Hodgdin took the calls very seriously. (Long Story)
He decided a friend of his named Sisk in Iowa Park, Texas was to blame. He decided his friend in Iowa Park could not have caused the failure in California but his plan was to drive to California if he could not determine what went wrong with my brother’s reloaded ammo.
F. Guffey
Thanks Guffey.
I'm gonna be away from my tablet for the rest of the day and can not answer. I'm going to browse in law western birthday party...cowboy style.
I thank all who are trying to help me with this.
Richard
Guffey...did this just happen? Did you find out what cause this to your brother ammo? Is your brother ok?
JohnhenrySTL
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Above all else, I'm wishing you a speedy recovery and thank you for your courage to include us in the lessons to be learned. I don't know how many times in my life I've changed lanes and realized I didn't actually look close enough, or backed out of somewhere in a careless manor, and still after 20 years have remained lucky enough to have never been the cause of an accident.
I have to wonder if June heat had something to do with the over pressure. I'm guessing you are from the South, and us reloaders have all heard countless times that just because a load was safe in the winter doesn't mean it will be in June, especially nearing max charges.
I have to wonder if June heat had something to do with the over pressure. I'm guessing you are from the South, and us reloaders have all heard countless times that just because a load was safe in the winter doesn't mean it will be in June, especially nearing max charges.
Elkins45
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It's hard to get a good up close photo but from what I can see there, one of these things doesn't look like the others.
Yeah, that's what I'm seeing too.
I don't know - but it looks like different powders to me as well - but, it also looks like that receiver has been cracked for some time.
How does the powder from the measure and the pulled-down case compare to your pistol powders?
Is there any chance you mixed powders? Returned pistol powder to the wrong jug of powder?
I know I need to do a better job of keeping powders isolated. Between 3 different shotgun powders, 2 or 3 pistol powders, rifle powders, all it would take is one moment of inattention and I could easily have the same problem.
How does the powder from the measure and the pulled-down case compare to your pistol powders?
Is there any chance you mixed powders? Returned pistol powder to the wrong jug of powder?
I know I need to do a better job of keeping powders isolated. Between 3 different shotgun powders, 2 or 3 pistol powders, rifle powders, all it would take is one moment of inattention and I could easily have the same problem.
Blue68f100
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I learned decades ago to only keep one powder out at a time. Once through for the day, return it it's original jug, then stow away.
Wonder if you could measure the density of the powder between the 2, set volume = weight. Would nice if they were different then you would know for sure.
Wonder if you could measure the density of the powder between the 2, set volume = weight. Would nice if they were different then you would know for sure.
The two on right do look a little different to me as well. There no no chance I could have put it back in the wrong jug.
1..h335 is in a 8# jug
2..my pistol press are 2 do 650...they are both out in my old office
3.. I load the brass in my home at a bar top. When I finish a tray I take the tray out to my office and load on a single stage rcbs.
4 my office is not air-conditioned.
By the way...I certainly don't mind anyone wondering or saying. I want to know what happened. If pistol powder is in there...it came in it. I have not gotten these powders out now a year. I loaded 3,000 9mm the last time I loaded and have not been shooting 45 much or loaded in 3 yesrs or more
ny32182
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I've used H335 with 55gr, never ~75gr, but I'll echo the two things that others have said:
-I find it extremely hard to believe that you could go from fine at 22gr to grenade at 22.7gr, especially in a bolt action rifle.
-The "known H335" on the left does actually look like H335. The other two do not.
I don't know if you said this was possible or not, but when I switch powders in a thrower, I dump all of it out first of course, and then look into the very bottom with a strong flashlight. If I see any remaining granuals sticking to the sides due to static or whatever, I flush the whole thing out with water and let it dry. I want ZERO chance of mixing any powder in the hopper, of course and especially if switching from pistol to rifle.
-I find it extremely hard to believe that you could go from fine at 22gr to grenade at 22.7gr, especially in a bolt action rifle.
-The "known H335" on the left does actually look like H335. The other two do not.
I don't know if you said this was possible or not, but when I switch powders in a thrower, I dump all of it out first of course, and then look into the very bottom with a strong flashlight. If I see any remaining granuals sticking to the sides due to static or whatever, I flush the whole thing out with water and let it dry. I want ZERO chance of mixing any powder in the hopper, of course and especially if switching from pistol to rifle.
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