Threaten Terrorist Acts + Shoot Guns= Go to Prison

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Seems logical on the surface but rarely I see postings on the internet that make me wonder. Something people might want to think about when they post on the internet or make statements. That whole freedom of speech thing is limited you know.

Seems to me that these people were fully cognizant of their actions and had gone past the considering stage to the planning stage. Just dumb luck that they were caught.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23889272/

Man linked to Fort Dix plot gets 20 months
Abdullahu let men accused of planning to kill soldiers shoot his guns

updated 8:45 p.m. ET March 31, 2008
CAMDEN, N.J. - A man who admitted letting a group of accused terrorism plotters shoot his guns at a firing range was sentenced Monday to 20 months in prison.

U.S. District Judge Robert Kugler said Agron Abdullahu deserved more than the 10 to 16 months that sentencing guidelines call for because he knew the men were talking about violence against Americans.

"I am convinced that he is not as innocent as he'd like us to believe," Kugler said before imposing the sentence. "This is not a common, ordinary, technical violation of the law."

But the sentence was less than half the five-year maximum allowed. With time served and credit for good behavior, it's likely Abdullahu will be free before the end of the year. He could face deportation.

Abdullahu said he was sorry he let his friends use his weapons at a firing range in the Pocono Mountains in Pennsylvania in 2006 and 2007. He said he discounted their tough talk about hurting America.

"Not at any moment did I think they were actually going to do what they said," he told the judge.

Abdullahu, 25, was arrested last May with five men who are charged with conspiring to kill soldiers on Fort Dix.

Authorities said the other men — all of them, like Abdullahu, foreign-born Muslims in their 20s — were planning to sneak onto Fort Dix and attack soldiers there. No attack occurred at the New Jersey base, which is used mainly to train reservists heading to Iraq and Afghanistan.

Though the group was dubbed "The Fort Dix Six," Abdullahu, a supermarket baker whose ethnic Albanian family escaped Kosovo when he was a teenager, always stood out. While the others are on track for a trial in the fall for charges including conspiracy to murder military personnel and attempted murder, Abdullahu pleaded guilty last year to a single, lesser charge.

Guns were owned legally
Abdullahu was charged with letting the brothers Dritan, Eljvir and Shain Duka shoot two weapons that he owned legally. It is a crime to allow illegal immigrants like the Duka brothers to possess guns.

Abdullahu's public defender, Richard Coughlin, said the Dukas befriended Abdullahu about a year after his family arrived in New Jersey — landing initially at Fort Dix — as refugees in 1999. They would play soccer, work out, fish and drink together, Coughlin said.

But in the past few years, the Duka brothers became more devout — and more extreme — Muslims, Coughlin said. And Abdullahu, who worked 60- to 70-hour weeks in the bakery of a supermarket, drifted apart from them.

They still fished together occasionally, and he joined them for two wintertime vacations in the mountains, his lawyer said.

It was a videotape from the first one that first caught the attention of the FBI. Key evidence for the case came from the second one, in February 2007.

Authorities say they have recordings that show the men firing Abdullahu's guns on a range and shouting out for a holy war.

Coughlin said his client was not aware of some of what was said; he was at the other end of the noisy range and wearing earplugs. Coughlin also said Abdullahu left the trip early because he was frustrated by the way the Duka brothers were talking about violence all the time.
 
If he is put into general population it may spell the end for him.
^ Hopefully they will.

Hoping that someone (even a criminal serving time) gets murdered is not only not High Road, I think it is downright despicable.
 
Why do we get so up in arms when one of "ours" gets snagged on a technical firearms violations, but if he is muslim we want to throw away the key. If that was your American brother in law who went shooting with some buddies, who later were convicted of a plot against the government, you would be whistling a different tune.

I sense a double standard here folks.
 
If that was your American brother in law who went shooting with some buddies, who later were convicted of a plot against the government, you would be whistling a different tune.

My brother-in-law wouldn't let illegals shoot his weapons, which is the fact you left out of your scenario.
 
I think the lesson learned is:

A) If you talk all tough and jihadi about how you're going to raid the military base, the authorities will believe you.

B) Don't loan guns to people who talk all tough and jihadi about how they're going to raid a military base, because you'll never convince anyone you weren't involved, especially after they film themselves shooting your guns and shouting terrorist slogans.

I don't think this is about double standards, religion, or even a civil rights slippery slope concern, given the circumstances.
 
I sense a double standard here folks.
yes but after 911 alot of people do feel that way. you cant change everyones opinion but i do agree with their being a double standard. he was in no way affilated other than having been friends and let someone shoot his gun. he should have reported his friends though, the soldiers are fighting a war they didnt start and anyone trying to harm them, muslim or not,(i have many muslim friends so i am quite sympathtic after the prejudices became apparent after 911) should be handled with extreame caution wither they thought it was a joke or not.( i also have friends in the military)
 
I think justice was done here. I even think the scentence was about right, if they follow up with the deportation hearing. Honestly I am surprised it was so light given people's prediliction to terrorists right now.
 
While I agree with the "double standard" sentiments, an allusion is made in the OP article to either willful ignorance our outright intent.

" Kugler said before imposing the sentence. "This is not a common, ordinary, technical violation of the law."

If that'd been Billy Bob willfully allowing and supplying Roscoe the militant survivalist to train up for "blastin them damned revenuers" I think the sentiments would be nearly the same. At least they would be from me.
 
If he is put into general population it may spell the end for him.

^ Hopefully they will.

Hmmm...that sounds like a threat, perhaps even terrorizing or maybe a "terroristic threat".
 
bdullahu, 25, was arrested last May with five men who are charged with conspiring to kill soldiers on Fort Dix.

How was he legally able to own guns?:confused:

I think justice was done here. I even think the scentence was about right, if they follow up with the deportation hearing.

Sounds about right to me.

authorities said the other men — all of them, like Abdullahu, foreign-born Muslims in their 20s — were planning to sneak onto Fort Dix and attack soldiers there.

Hmm, attacking a larger, more highly trained group of individuals with firearms better than yours...GENIUS!!! Too bad they didn't get a chance to carry out that plan...As long as none of our guys/gals were hurt of course.:cool:
 
Don't bet on it. Every Pen has a Muslim Brotherhood. They'll watch his butt... among other things.

Yup, and even the ones that are not Brotherhood have no love lost for our government when it comes to such things.

Remember, in many inmates eyes, it was the government that put them there...
 
This gives us an opportunity to think. How many here have stated that they would treat any late night intrusions the same (no knock warrants and home invasions)? How many have let virtual strangers handle their firearms ( at the range or at the BBQ)?

OK, now how many have done both?
 
Hmm, attacking a larger, more highly trained group of individuals with firearms better than yours...GENIUS!!! Too bad they didn't get a chance to carry out that plan...As long as none of our guys/gals were hurt of course.

The only problem is that the vast majority of personnel on military bases are unarmed and have no ready access to weapons. If they had been able to get past the initial security (either by force or deception, neither of which is difficult), they would have been faced with a target rich environment until the MPs arrived.
 
You know, what would be interesting would be likening the "cry for jihad" to yelling "fire" in a crowded movie theater... Yelling "fire" in a crowded area is NOT free speech under the first amendment. And neither should be threatening to kill folks.
 
Don't misundertand what's going on here.

Article says,

A man who admitted letting a group of accused terrorism plotters shoot his guns at a firing range was sentenced Monday to 20 months in prison.

and

Abdullahu was charged with letting the brothers Dritan, Eljvir and Shain Duka shoot two weapons that he owned legally. It is a crime to allow illegal immigrants like the Duka brothers to possess guns.

The second quote makes it irrelevant that the brothers were "accused terrorists". The charge was for letting illegal immigrants possess a legally owned gun. In other words, the first quote is typical media hyperbole.

I'd like to see the actual charges. I don't trust the article. I don't pick and choose which news article to mistrust. I mistrust all of them.

Assuming the article is correct on the charges, you could go to prison for the same thing if you allowed your white illegal immigrant friend from Canada hold your firearm in his hands.
 
It's not that I don't trust the media... I just prefer to verify.

Cynicism is a valuable weapon. But we keep getting hammered with the same messages over, and over, and over... And it works. This election cycle, the gun lobby has been effectively negated as a voting bloc... Why? It's been fragmented, successfully, by the "anyone but a republican" bit that's been going on since 2000...

It's a matter of repeating the same stuff until people start to believe it. Doesn't matter if there is a basis in fact.
 
I am all for deporting them. I think we should fly them to Iraq and give them a ten minute head start. Then we can play "Holy War" the way is was meant to be played.
 
I think the lesson learned is:

A) If you talk all tough and jihadi about how you're going to raid the military base, the authorities will believe you.

B) Don't loan guns to people who talk all tough and jihadi about how they're going to raid a military base, because you'll never convince anyone you weren't involved, especially after they film themselves shooting your guns and shouting terrorist slogans.

I don't think this is about double standards, religion, or even a civil rights slippery slope concern, given the circumstances.

funny the oklahoma city bombers' brother in law got away with it.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Nichols

If that'd been Billy Bob willfully allowing and supplying Roscoe the militant survivalist to train up for "blastin them damned revenuers" I think the sentiments would be nearly the same. At least they would be from me.
TALK about WILLFUL ignorance... james nichols is practically the definition of it and the casualties were REAL and MUCH WORSE. where is' all the hootin' and hollerin' for his hide???

When Abduhl says he's going to go jihad, well, I'm inclined to believe him, and approve of whatever steps are taken to keep him away from my old, fat, crippled-up, behind...
until it happens to you, what incentive is there for anyone who wants to keep a narrow viewpoint to look at objective reality? this is why lawyers have to exist, but of course everyone hates those guys. everyone wants their cake and then they want to have it fed to them by some vivacious blonde covered in whipcream, and then for someone else to cover it up when their wife walks in.
 
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