Thug holding your wife/girlfriend at gunpoint...

[mordechaianiliewicz]

I aim, front sight, squeeze trigger, and take him down with a head shot. Yes, this is dangerous, but this scenario is a lot worse if you give up your weapon. Then, maybe he rapes her, and shoots you to death after torturing both of you.

A person sadistic enough to use a homeowner as a body shield while threatening you is capable of a lot worse. Stay calm, take your shot, call the cops.

 

[LAK]

aufevermike

Doesn't this all change considering what most people use for home defense...... a shotgun??????? From many of the posts that I have read on home defense, most people only use the shotgun so they can make their way to the gun safe.(not me)
Say you were stil in bed but you wife was already up having coffee and she opend the door to a stranger or that the BG just busted in and the only thing you come out of the bedroom with is a shotgun, what then?

However, If I am walking into this situation from outdoors, then there will be no hesitation drawing my side arm

Things are anything but hopeless with a shotgun - even if loaded with buckshot as opposed to slugs. Harder to handle for some, to sight (depending on equipment), and less precise overall perhaps. Used by anyone proficient with it, at the right moment, it is likely to be very decisive.

Personally I would prefer a rifle. We could go to the other end of the spectrum and consider the .22 rimfires - rifle or handgun. Very easy to handle, usually easy to sight and usually very precise. Again, anyone proficient with the arm, at the right moment, ought to be able to slip one through an exposed eyeball, through the adams apple, or up a nasal passage at across the room distances.
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[AStone]

Personally I would prefer a rifle.

I gotta concur: in this situation, with a beloved person as hostage, I'd probably take a rifle if I had a choice.

For personal protection with no hostage between me and a perp, I'll take my 870P every time. Love that pattern, even at 5 m or 15 m (yes, my studio is that deep).

But up close, with a hostage between me and said perp, given a choice between 12 ga, handgun & rifle (of any caliber), I'd probably take the latter.

Nem

 

[Byron Quick]

My wife will know me and know how I feel about hostage takers.

If she stays with me, then she agrees.

My stance is this: If I'm taken hostage, hold a funeral for me and then kill the hostage takers...by shooting through me if necessary. I don't think my survival is the most important thing in this scenario. I do believe that killing every one of any hostage takers right then and right there is the most important thing.

If a policy is developed of killing any hostage taker right then and right there, after a while with complete coverage of such events there will be a sharp decline of hostage taking.

Negotiations with hostage takers should run like this: Release your hostages unharmed and we'll kill you with a quick and merciful headshot. Harm any one of them and we'll gutshoot you and keep you alive on IV fluids while infection eats you alive over a period of weeks.

That might not get through to the first few hostage takers it's tried on. However, with proper media coverage, it will absolutely resonate with hostage takers by and by.

Someone has a gun to my head? Kill that lowlife. If I survive that's wonderful but take care of the most important business first.

Even scum can be trained by the proper techniques.

 

[Duramaximum]

"If you break into my house, I will shoot you. And you would much deal with me than my wife. My wife will shoot you and then spend thirty minutes telling you why she shot you." -Jeff Foxworthy

 

[motorep]

This is an event I practice for. Farthest distance in my house is 23 yards, call it 25, my handguns are sighted in at 25. Can I make the shot? Sure. Would I be able to? I hope so, you never know what you can do when you get that warm feeling down the inside of your leg. I hope I never know, but I practice for it.

 

[mountainclmbr]

First, you have to ask yourself, did she complain when you suggested buying that 600 Nitro Express engraved double rifle? After you answer that, you will know what to do!

 

[shooter 7]

Head visible? front sight, take the shot. no words. Negotiations over. That's why we practice. You don't negotiate w terrorists. Better to send them to the beyond. Where do you draw the line? Compliance w bg while deadly force is within my grasp?? I think not.

 

[roo_ster]

We have kids. We take the shot.

 

[Adept]

So I'll ask again;

Same scenario. Neither you nor your wife is armed, except with any improvised weapons you might have grabbed.

How do you proceed?

 

[Jamie C.]

Neither you nor your wife is armed

Now you've gone waaaaay off into fantasy land.

One of us is ALWAYS armed.

Why? So we never have to deal with the above situation, of course.

And then there's also the 4 dogs....

The point being here that it's pretty easy to not get caught in an untenable situation...provided you don't take the mindset of "it'll never happen to me/us".

As for the first scenario.... the perp would get a bullet in the eye socket while I was in mid-sentence.
"Okay, just don't *BLAM* hurt her..."
"Honey, you okay?"

And yes, I can make the shot at any distance you can find in my house. Probably while half asleep. Hell, maybe even while completely asleep.


J.C.

 

[NineseveN]

To echo many others, you take the shot. Never disarm yourself.

 

[roo_ster]

So I'll ask again;

Same scenario. Neither you nor your wife is armed, except with any improvised weapons you might have grabbed.

How do you proceed?

Hear that?.....That's me laughing my fundament off.

The other day, my wife raised the issue of a quick home invasion and suggested we keep other quick access safes around the house (beside the bedside one). We already have the guns. We are currently figuring out which quick access safes make the most sense for the rooms & drawers/cabinets we will use to conceal them. We'll have three quick access safes with 1+ firearm(s) per safe in a 1300 sqft house. That is in addition to what I'll be CCW-ing when I walk into the house.

So, that "improvised weapons you might have grabbed" will likely be a 1911, our weapon of choice.

I don't advise someone playing that game with my wife. If she thinks you're doing her or her's wrong, she can be mean as a snake.

Also, our two GSPs are starting to get very protective of our boy. We're going to have to put them in another room to punish him, as they try to intervene on his behalf by interposing their selves. They get upset by the whole deal.

 

[fiVe]

Another good, thought-provoking thread.

 

[John G]

Not armed? What's the next version of this scenario, "your wife is taken hostage and you have no hands?"

 

[Adept]

Yeah, thats hilarious guys. Not armed?! Not a possibility!

Just a reminder, the world is bigger than the USA, and not all our governments have as relaxed an appraoch to firearms or self defense tools.

So for those of us who cannot have the weapons you take for granted, what are your recomendations?

 

[Biker]

Break the law. What is the life of your wife worth to you?
Biker

 

[Adept]

Thats hardly useful advice, now, is it? Heading into the illegal firearms market is more likely to place you in danger than this scenario is likely to occur.

 

[Biker]

Don't ask if ya don't wanna hear. Again, I ask, what price on the life of your wife?
Biker

 

[tellner]

Yeah, thats hilarious guys. Not armed?! Not a possibility!

Just a reminder, the world is bigger than the USA, and not all our governments have as relaxed an appraoch to firearms or self defense tools.

So for those of us who cannot have the weapons you take for granted, what are your recomendations?

If you want to stay inside the law, never a bad position to start from if you like living at home and being able to go out for a beer, start from what is allowed. What sort of weapons or improvised tools can you legally own? Then take a look at the patterns of crime in your area. What sort of things are likely to happen to you? We always say "Don't spend so much time looking for goblins under rocks that you miss the bear standing on the path." Go from there.

 

[NineseveN]

Tellner, that is some sage advice.

And Adept, we don't take them for granted, at least most of the folks on this site don't. If weapons were illegal under my government, I would make it my most urgent endeavor to migrate to a government where they weren't. Easier said than done, I know, but most things worthwhile are. Keep safe.

 

[dpesec]

I'd take the head shot. Will I miss, most likley not, why beacuse I practice with the laser on.
Last week I shot 100 rds using the laser into an area of less than 2". I did this without aiming, just using the little red dot.

 

[ARperson]

Adept, unfortunately you'll never make your scenario a serious one here since most of our entire paradigm revolves around having firearms. I understand what you're trying to say, and think those that are blowing brown stuff out of their behinds about how they'd never be in that situation, government or no are not really thinking about how most of the rest of the world lives.

What they fail to realize is that the paradigm for most of the rest of the world does NOT involve firearms, an ability to have/possess them. Never has, likely never will.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. It's just not going to get the intelligent response it needs. Your question that is.

The irony is that most of the people on this board represent a small portion of the U.S. and you don't have to step inside the borders of a country that prohibits personal firearm ownership for this scenario to become a daily occurence. Just read the newspapers here.

It's too bad the "It'll never happen to me" argument still survives even in our "culture."

 

[Biker]

I wasn't aware that Adept was outside of the U.S...Somehow, I missed that part.
Apologies...
Biker

 

[Riz58]

Thug, Wife, Unarmed

Adept,

Tellner was correct with regard to making an evaluation of risks in your neighborhood. Any scenario I can think of will require closing the distance to very close range.

Suggestions: A strong pepper spray. It will probably nail both the BG and your wife, and may affect you indoors. Close and disarm the BG. Of course, you would need to train for this.

Close quarters and indoors a Little League baseball bat can be a powerful weapon. Spray with pepper and clobber him! (Hiking sticks also fit in this category, may be easier to handle, but would not have the same force of impact.)

Some Taser imitators are on the market. I do not know how effective they are. You might be able to obtain the real thing which allows you to shoot the barbs from a distance. Again, the wife might be hit, but it is hard to hang onto someone who is writhing in pain!

A cell phone (or walking phone) might be very effective. Dial 911, keep them on the line, describe the situation and the perp. From reading some other threads, it seems some BG's are more afraid of a cell phone and 911 than the gun! At that point, reason might prevail. "The cops are on the way. Let her go and you can disappear before they arrive and you will probably never be caught. Take her, it slows you down, and they will take the city apart looking for you and her!"