Time to fire up the militia. What's it going to look like today?

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I am generally in favor of restarting the militia concept but it is pretty clear to me that it would require a jump start from congress, and it probably won't happen for that reason.

You can run around in the woods wearing soldier boy clothes, and call your self a militia, but unless congress says so, you aren't.
 
Time to fire up the militia. What's it going to look like today?

This.

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:D:D just kidding ;)
 
honestly? more local like a neighborhood watch or a few friends. nothing large enough to draw attention since people wont want a government sanctioned bonfire at their home. multiple calibers as said and few with many real survival skills and one guy (like me) who has watched and memorized every survivorman episode. :)
 
Originally posted by Nolo:
Law:

Quote:
A Scout is:
Trustworthy
Loyal
Courteous
Kind
Obedient
Cheerful
Thrifty
Brave
Clean
And Reverent.

You forgot helpful and friendly. ;)

A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, brave, clean, and reverent.
 
deaconkharma,

I agree.

How long would it take for the sheriff to respond to the ruskies coming down like red dawn? And then how long would it take for the volunteers to take off from work, go home, get geared up, fill their truck with all the gear, go to the sheriffs office, wait for a large enough number to show up, then head out to respond?

Me, I believe in the concept like a volunteer fire department. Closer to home, have a "territory" like a dog and his home. And faster response times. Perhaps the local police or mayor could be the head of a Neighborhood Armed Watch, or Volunteer Armed Response Department.

I believe that if you took the oath in service, and then after service, you should rephrase it to Country And People, instead of .gov and officers.

I would give my life for my family and friends regardless of who's in office, or what's going on overseas.
 
Get a group of buddies together.

Spend a weekend a month playing army on the weekend.

And hope and pray that none of them take any illegal actions - like shooting the wrong person while claiming to be "serving and protecting and as a member of the militia." If any of your buddies takes any illegal action in any way related to the militia, you'll almost certainly be facing conspiracy charges.

Given the makeup of most folks who want to be in a militia - almost exclusively conservative older white males, many of whom judging from the tenor of THR posts have a chip on their shoulder against various racial/ethnic minorities - I would think that membership in a militia would be a legal nightmare. If any of your buddies have ever belonged to right wing organization of any kind, that could be real trouble.

Imagine one of you buddies spouts off about "gangsta's" and "sagging" and makes fun of non-standard English has few beers and decides to go serve and protect and shoots a black man. If you have trained with him, helped him repair his weapon, etc., you will almost certainly be charged with some kind of conspiracy charge.

If a member of the regular army goes wacko, generally other people in his unit are not charged. As a member of a militia, I don't think you'd have that protection.

Mike
 
The National Guard sometimes use volunteers to be a part of training events.
Quite true. An old buddy of mine took part in war games with the guard. He was given a ton of blanks and a blank adaptor for his M1A and got to keep it all when the battle was over.
 
A month or so ago I started a thread asking about people with milita experiance. There is a pretty well organized militia of private citizens in Ohio with several regional divisions. They have websites with awsome looking training schedules and own land to conduct live fire training. They even compete against others each year.

After looking at some of the groups videos on youtube.com and then browsing the members "favorites" videos I was turned off.

My friends and I have our own plans however. With only a few exceptions we are all fire/ems/leo and armed forces so I'd hope we could at least take care of ourselves.

FFMedic
FFMedic, I was in a similar situation as you. Military and fire/EMS/LEO experiance along with my friends. That is what lead me to the State Defence Force/State Guard. My friends and I had real training and experiance. We didn't feel like wasting our time with a bunch of rednecks who listened to christian-patriot propaganda on shortwave about black helicopters and NWO UN troops turning old railroad depots into concentration camps in anticipation of the Antichrist taking control.
What turned you off after watching the videos? I've seen many of their videos and liked their enthusiasm but would like to direct it better.
 
Have to throw in my $.02

DFW1911 wrote:
Like it or not, during the Revolution our "professional army" was mainly comprised of the dregs of society - those who saw "soldiering" as an opportunity for advancement.

Actually our "professional army" is mainly comprised of the dregs of society - those who see "soldiering" as an opportunity for advancement. A good portion of the enlisted masses would otherwise be seen as rednecks, hillbillies, simple laborers, or members of every minority.
By volunteering these individuals receive training, and then perform duties that earn them deserved respect as citizens.

Thats what makes this country so great, by simply standing up, the unwashed masses become respectable citizens.
For many, soldiering is an opportunity for advancement.


Cosmoline wrote:
If you or I personally start training and drilling a bunch of people we are organizing a rebellion, not a lawful militia.

Unless the drilling and training is organizing a rebellion, it could easily be argued as activity protected by the 2nd amendment.

If you registered with selective service before you turned 18, then you are already a member of the militia.

While declaring a group is a militia could be argued to be an act of sedition. Gathering to learn skills that would make a person a better soldier, and prepare individuals should they be called by the government is simply an act of citizenship, socially it should be seen as no more profound than voting.

And I agree, modeling a group after the Boy Scouts is a very good start.



Upon rereading my post I can see that it is in fact quite offensive, please see my apology and retraction of comments, I meant no one any disrespect in the point I was trying to make.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=4839737#post4839737
I will leave this post intact unless removal is requested my one of the mods.
 
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Dude, go tell your cube farm's manager that you've been outted...

Soldiering is a duty. Unless, of course, you're a city boy from a blue state...

Personally, I've never met a "militia" person that I really wanted to spend any time with.
 
protolith said;
Actually our "professional army" is mainly comprised of the dregs of society - those who see "soldiering" as an opportunity for advancement. A good portion of the enlisted masses would otherwise be seen as rednecks, hillbillies, simple laborers, or members of every minority.

Glad to know that I was a dreg of society before I enlisted, and that my son is too. You ever spent one day in uniform? I don't think you've got a clue about what kind of people make up our military. Let's see your DD214, put up or shut up.

Jeff
 
Actually our "professional army" is mainly comprised of the dregs of society - those who see "soldiering" as an opportunity for advancement. A good portion of the enlisted masses would otherwise be seen as rednecks, hillbillies, simple laborers, or members of every minority.
By volunteering these individuals receive training, and then perform duties that earn them deserved respect as citizens.

Wow, you've really put your foot in it here. I didn't serve, but my wife did. She was enlisted, and at no time in her life would I ever have considered her a "dreg."

I'd really consider retracting that statement PDQ.
 
Check your State Laws

This is Florida Statute-

870.06 Unauthorized military organizations.--No body of persons, other than the regularly organized land and naval militia of this state, the troops of the United States, and the students of regularly chartered educational institutions where military science is a prescribed part of the course of instruction, shall associate themselves together as a military organization for drill or parade in public with firearms, in this state, without special license from the Governor for each occasion, and application for such license must be approved by the mayor and aldermen of the cities and towns where such organizations may propose to parade. Each person unlawfully engaging in the formation of such military organization, or participating in such drill or parade, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

Just wanted to point that out.
 
Florida Law also dictates--

250.02 Militia.--

(1) The militia consists of all able-bodied citizens of this state and all other able-bodied persons who have declared their intention to become citizens.

(2) The organized militia is composed of the National Guard and any other organized military forces that are authorized by law.

(3) The unorganized militia is composed of all persons who are subject to military duty but who are not members of units of the organized militia.

(4) Only persons exempt from military duty by the terms of federal law are exempt from military duty in this state.
 
Actually our "professional army" is mainly comprised of the dregs of society - those who see "soldiering" as an opportunity for advancement. A good portion of the enlisted masses would otherwise be seen as rednecks, hillbillies, simple laborers, or members of every minority.
By volunteering these individuals receive training, and then perform duties that earn them deserved respect as citizens.

Thats what makes this country so great, by simply standing up, the unwashed masses become respectable citizens.
For many, soldiering is an opportunity for advancement.

Proto, there are a bunch of non High Road things I want to say to you. What do you know about being enlisted? Better yet, what do you know about being in the military at all (and no, the newest version of Halo or Command and Conquer don't count)? There's lots of people on this board who have served or are still serving with pride. Put in 4 years and then come back and say something, until then, shut your face.
 
Has anyone ever seen a current State Militia? Good Grief! Another Good idea that needs to stay on the drawing board.


Actually our "professional army" is mainly comprised of the dregs of society - those who see "soldiering" as an opportunity for advancement. A good portion of the enlisted masses would otherwise be seen as rednecks, hillbillies, simple laborers, or members of every minority.
By volunteering these individuals receive training, and then perform duties that earn them deserved respect as citizens.

Thats what makes this country so great, by simply standing up, the unwashed masses become respectable citizens.
For many, soldiering is an opportunity for advancement

So? I'm all for people bettering themselves anyway they can.
 
States with Anti-Militia Laws Only (17)

* Alabama. ALA. CODE s 31-2-125.
* Arizona. ARIZ. REV. STAT. ANN. s 26-123.
* Iowa. IOWA CODE s 29A.31.
* Kansas. KAN. STAT. ANN. s 48-203.
* Kentucky. KY. REV. STAT. ANN. s 38.440.
* Maine. ME. REV. STAT. ANN. tit. 37-B, s 342.2.
* Maryland. MD. CODE ANN. art. 65, s 35.
* Massachusetts. MASS. GEN. L. ch. 33, s 129-132.
* Minnesota. MINN. STAT. s 624.61.
* Mississippi. MISS. CODE ANN. $ 33-1-31.
* Nevada. NEV. REV. STAT. s 203-080.
* New Hampshire. N.H. REV. STAT. ANN. s 111:15.
* North Dakota. N.D. CENT. CODE s 37-01-21.
* Texas. TEX. GOV'T CODE ANN. s 431.010.
* Washington. WASH. REV. CODE s 38.40.120.
* West Virginia. W. VA. CODE s 15-1F-7.
* Wyoming. WYO. STAT. s 19-1-106.

States with Anti-Paramilitary Training Laws Only (17)

* Arkansas. ARK. CODE s 5-71-301 to -303.
* California. CAL. PENAL CODE s 11460.
* Colorado. COLO. REV. STAT. s 18-9-120.
* Connecticut. CONN. GEN. STAT. s 53-206b.
* Louisiana. LA. REV. STAT. ANN. s 117.1.
* Michigan. MICH. COMP. LAWS s 750.528a.
* Missouri. MO. REV. STAT. s 574.070.
* Montana. MONT. CODE ANN. s 45-8-109.
* Nebraska. NEB. REV. STAT. s 28-1480 to -1482.
* New Jersey. N.J. REV. STAT. s 2C:39-14.
* New Mexico. N.M. STAT. ANN. s 30-20A-1 to -4.
* Oklahoma. OKLA. STAT. ANN. tit. 21, s 1321.10.
* Oregon. OR. REV. STAT. s 166.660.
* Pennsylvania. 18 PA. CONS. STAT. s 5515.
* South Carolina. S.C. CODE ANN. s 16-8-10 to -30.
* Tennessee. TENN. CODE ANN. s 39-17-314.
* Virginia. VA. CODE ANN. s 18.2-433.1 to -433.3.

States with Both Anti-Militia and Anti-Paramilitary Training Laws (7)

* Florida. FLA. STAT. ANN. ch. 870.06, 790.29.
* Georgia. GA. CODE ANN. ss 38-2-277, 16-11-150 to -152.
* Idaho. IDAHO CODE ss 46-802, 18-8101 to -8105.
* Illinois. ILL. REV. STAT. ch. 1805, para. 94-95.
* New York. N.Y. MIL. LAW s 240.
* North Carolina. N.C. GEN. STAT. ss 127A-151, 14-288.20.
* Rhode Island. R.I. GEN. LAWS ss 30-12-7, 11-55-1 to -3.

from: http://www.thefiringline.com/library/milpara.html

ORS 166.660 says, (from http://www.leg.state.or.us/ors/166.html)
166.660 Unlawful paramilitary activity. (1) A person commits the crime of unlawful paramilitary activity if the person:

(a) Exhibits, displays or demonstrates to another person the use, application or making of any firearm, explosive or incendiary device or any technique capable of causing injury or death to persons and intends or knows that such firearm, explosive or incendiary device or technique will be unlawfully employed for use in a civil disorder; or

(b) Assembles with one or more other persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive or incendiary device or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons with the intent to unlawfully employ such firearm, explosive or incendiary device or technique in a civil disorder.

(2)(a) Nothing in this section makes unlawful any act of any law enforcement officer performed in the otherwise lawful performance of the officer’s official duties.

(b) Nothing in this section makes unlawful any activity of the State Department of Fish and Wildlife, or any activity intended to teach or practice self-defense or self-defense techniques, such as karate clubs or self-defense clinics, and similar lawful activity, or any facility, program or lawful activity related to firearms instruction and training intended to teach the safe handling and use of firearms, or any other lawful sports or activities related to the individual recreational use or possession of firearms, including but not limited to hunting activities, target shooting, self-defense, firearms collection or any organized activity including, but not limited to any hunting club, rifle club, rifle range or shooting range which does not include a conspiracy as defined in ORS 161.450 or the knowledge of or the intent to cause or further a civil disorder.

(3) Unlawful paramilitary activity is a Class C felony.

(4) As used in this section:

(a) “Civil disorder” means acts of physical violence by assemblages of three or more persons which cause damage or injury, or immediate danger thereof, to the person or property of any other individual.

(b) “Firearm” means a weapon, by whatever name known, which is designed to expel a projectile by the action of black powder or smokeless black powder and which is readily capable of use as a weapon.

(c) “Explosive” means a chemical compound, mixture or device that is commonly used or intended for the purpose of producing a chemical reaction resulting in a substantially instantaneous release of gas and heat, including but not limited to dynamite, blasting powder, nitroglycerin, blasting caps and nitrojelly, but excluding fireworks as defined in ORS 480.110 (1), black powder, smokeless powder, small arms ammunition and small arms ammunition primers.

(d) “Law enforcement officer” means any duly constituted police officer of the United States, any state, any political subdivision of a state or the District of Columbia, and also includes members of the military reserve forces or National Guard as defined in 10 U.S.C. 101 (9), members of the organized militia of any state or territory of the United States, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico or the District of Columbia not included within the definition of National Guard as defined by 10 U.S.C. 101 (9), members of the Armed Forces of the United States and such persons as are defined in ORS 161.015 (4) when in the performance of official duties. [1983 c.792 §2; 1987 c.858 §3; 2001 c.666 §§26,38; 2005 c.830 §27]
 
Actually our "professional army" is mainly comprised of the dregs of society - those who see "soldiering" as an opportunity for advancement. A good portion of the enlisted masses would otherwise be seen as rednecks, hillbillies, simple laborers, or members of every minority. By volunteering these individuals receive training, and then perform duties that earn them deserved respect as citizens.

Thats what makes this country so great, by simply standing up, the unwashed masses become respectable citizens. For many, soldiering is an opportunity for advancement.

I had to read this twice to make sure I read it right. I am still stunned. :banghead: Not only is the attitude disrepectful of soldier by calling them "dregs of society" it seems to imply that some people (rednecks, laborers, minorities) need to earn their place as citizens.

What about a farmer (or your definition of redneck) who doesn't serve. Is he/she less of a citizens?

"by simply standing up, the unwashed masses become respectable citizens"
Now is it your contention that everyone needs to serve to become a respectable citizens? Or is it just the "unwahed masses" that need to EARN there citizenship while the "elites" are born with it?

I think our founding fathers have a different idea:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Have you ever served a cause greater than your own self interest?

Have to throw in my $.02
Wish you hadn't. How about I give you your $.02 back and next time you keep "dregs of society" or "unwashed masses" comments to yourself.
 
You need to read that quote in context. He's not dumping on the volunteer army, quite the contrary. It *IS* comprised of the lower income brackets for the most part. I think the term "dregs of society" was poorly chosen, but it was DFW1911 who chose it.

Unless the drilling and training is organizing a rebellion, it could easily be argued as activity protected by the 2nd amendment.

Did you read Heller carefully? The militia prong is all but dead letter now. There is no constitutional right to form a "militia."
 
In August/September 2005 about 25 men from my church went down to Biloxi MS and worked with another church there to help rebuild their lives. We distributed food and water (it was hot as h*ll) and medical supplies and set up temporary housing for the Katrina Victims.

We didn't carry any guns and never needed them. We were there for about eight weeks with various shifts rotating in and out.

Is that the type of "militia" you are talking about? If so, I would just call it being a good citizen.

You and many others who did the same thing deserve a medal. You did far more good than anyone from any gov. entitity.

People from all over the south started showing up at the church down the street from my house about 12 hours after the storm passed with trailerloads of supplies.

My hats off to you.
 
Fire up the militia

There is no telling what todays mailia, when called up would look like.
The .223 and 9mm have been declared under powered fo their job in Iraq, etc. An AR-15 cost over $1,000.
There will be a large group of bolt action gunners.
A large goup of "I don't want to be here" individuals who don't have guns.
A large group of beer bellies who are obease.
That's America....
 
Wow...I didn't realize it was against the law to form a militia in the state of ND. Wow...I guess I'd better scrap my plans to form a militia after I retire.
 
I'm too old to be a member of the Federal unorganized militia, but the State of Oklahoma unorganized militia goes to age 70. The Oklahoma State Guard is currently moribund, but the Highway Patrol becomes the cadre for it if it is ever formed.

More to the point, in the event of a natural disaster like Hurricane Katrina, especially if the bulk of the US military, including the National Guard and Reserves are deployed (think WW2), neighbors may need to arm and organize themselves to protect themselves, their families, and their supplies. In situations where the police are just overwhelmed or unavailable, we will need to protect ourselves, something that is easier to do when there is more than one person. If you want to call that a militia (the Geneva Conventions/Law of Land Warfare term is levee en masse), then you'll have folks armed with what they have: handguns, a mix of rifles and shotguns, in all sorts of calibers.

ECS
 
I would like to formally apologize if my statements offended anyone. I was posting late at night, and upon rereading my post I can see that the point I was trying to make didn't come through quite as intended, and was in fact quite offensive to our servicemen and women.

I would especially like to retract the comment:
our "professional army" is mainly comprised of the dregs of society

That was not very High Road, I did not intend to imply that our service men and women are the dregs of society. I do hold every enlisted man and officer in the highest respect for the difficult sacrifices they make in serving our country.

Perhaps I should have used the term "somewhat" instead of "mainly" in trying to make the point that the "dregs of society" are in fact often welcomed to the service. I applaud this, I champion this, as a great benefit to society.

I was trying to demonstrate that the term "dregs of society" was pointless when referring to the revolutionary militia. By using labels that we should all find offensive yet society might use to refer to those who are enlisting today.

From the lowliest individuals to the noblest that every one should look up to. The point I was intending to make is that they are all deserving of our respect for the act of volunteering to serve our country. And that military service makes fine upstanding citizens of all who serve.


I want to reiterate that I did not intend any disrespect toward our fine servicemen and women, and I again offer my apologies.

protolith
 
Whatever the social background of our military before they enlist, our military seems to be unrivaled in turning out honorable impressive young individuals.
 
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