Too Much for a Mosin?

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Chance to buy an arsenal refinished, 91/30 sniper with PU scope/mount and turned down bolt, with all the usual accessories, $499. Too much? I know those scope/mount combos (the vintage ones) cost a a fair amount, and so does a non-welded bent bolt.

what do you guys think?

Thanks a lot,
kis2
 
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Large chance it is one of the recent imports. Look and see if it has one of the new Century serial numbers on the side of the ring ahead of the mount. If it does forget it. In my estimation they are worth the $330 or so that AIM is selling them for but not much more than that.
 
I agree. Its best to find a 91/30 that shoots excellent and put a PU scope and mount on it. The huge numbers of 91/30s with the PU setup are coming into the country are just 91/30s and IMHO never were sniper materiel. The russians simply selected the best shooting 91/30s and turned them into snipers and these "newly made snyperkayas don't shoot snipergrade"
 
Thats not an outragous price for a non-original Mosin Sniper. If you bought yourself a 91/30 and drilled and tapped it yourself, after you buy everything you need to make it a sniper, it would cost you about that much. For an all original, expect over $1000. Good luck trying to find a "new sniper" Mosin for under 400, demand is just to high for it to come down.

(I drilled and tapped my own, and its a tack driver)
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=258433
 
but then it all comes down to what YOU want and what YOU are willing to pay, its not a steal, but you arent getting hosed either
 
Prices on the faux snipers has been dropping fast. They were that high a few years back, but now they're selling for $350-$450 or less on the used market.

If I wanted one, I'd go the ex-sniper route. PU scopes and mounts have come way down in price with the new production ones hitting the market. You can get a PU Scope for $150 and an ex-sniper 91/30 for $200. The drilling is straight-forward. And the end result is going to be a lot better than the importer builds, judging from the ones I've seen in the flesh. The importers are throwing PU's on anything with metal.
 
FRAUD!!!

Cosmo, you sit there in your holier-than-thou way and condemn anyone who would alter their 91/30 to make it more useful to themselves, then advocate drilling and tapping one for the purpose of turning it into something it's not! Any sniper, ex or otherwise, would already be drilled. You are so full of it...
 
Sparky, you're the only one claiming I'm a purist. I criticize people for wasting time and money to hack and slash surplus rifles into faux remchesters. You convinced yourself that this means I'm some sort of white glove collector. I told you I'm not about a dozen times now, but your continue to argue with straw men.

Any sniper, ex or otherwise, would already be drilled. You are so full of it...
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They fill in the holes. Take a couple of pills, dude.

What I don't understand is why someone who obviously thinks very little of surplus rifles should be so fixated on them. If you don't like them, don't buy them!
 
Oooooooooooooooooooooooh, I get it! There's this clandestine armory where "they" go to the trouble of welding up a couple of otherwise harmless holes to turn $400.00 snipers into $80.00 shooters.
 
with the exception of clipper, youve all helped me sort it out a little in some way. so thanks. whats the difference in accuracy between getting a repro sniper or building one out of an ex? and im not really looking for an all original russian sniper to put in a case in hide or anything, i just want a 91/30 thatll look and shoot like a sniper rifle shouldve back then. or close to it at least ;) and probably the biggest reason i want the older scope version is so i can still use the iron sights, everything ive seen out there blocks them.

there are some good examples of both 'repro' and ex snipers on gunbroker. there is one without a heavy lacquer finish i think is nice, but if you guys dont say its not gonna shoot like it looks, i aint buyin it.

if i dont get more replies here ill make a new thread post of it.
putting my good faith in the high road,
kis2
 
Oooooooooooooooooooooooh, I get it! There's this clandestine armory where "they" go to the trouble of welding up a couple of otherwise harmless holes to turn $400.00 snipers into $80.00 shooters.
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Yeah, they're called the Izhevsk and Tula Arsenals. Do you know what an ex sniper is?

whats the difference in accuracy between getting a repro sniper or building one out of an ex?
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As a general matter, the arsenals picked the best shooters off the line to be snipers in the first place. Of course "best" was relative depending on when and where. But of the three ex-sniper 91/30's I've owned, two were very solid shooters. A hand select for good crown is a good idea, or even better a personal inspection. I found the Aztec import ex-snipers were among the best, as they seemed to have a way of getting the cream of the crop. I don't think they have any in stock now, but there are plenty on the secondary market. Empire is also a great source. CAI and the others take whatever they get.

The faux snipers put together by the importers are a very mixed bag. The ones I've seen locally have been pretty ratty, with worn bores and crowns. I would not suggest buying one unless it was quite minty. I'd also be sure to do some bore sighting beforehand to make sure they lined that PU mount up right. The Soviets often had crude workmanship, but they at least knew how to line the holes up. That said, some folks report great results from theirs. So maybe you'll get lucky.
 
Got to agree with Cosmo, You are not educated on monsins why pass bad info.
 
clipper,

yes, "they" do fill em in. i dont know why, but im sure someone else does an will post shortly.


to the original poster,

the plus side of building your own is that you can spread out the cost over time instead of ponying up the whole cost at once.
 
if i did build one up bit by bit, should i be worried about not being able to find the vintage scope/mount? or how about a turn down bolt? ive only been able to find one site that sells the entire bolt rather than a handle to weld on.

thanks again for all the help guys...
 
Oooooooooooooooooooooooh, I get it! There's this clandestine armory where "they" go to the trouble of welding up a couple of otherwise harmless holes to turn $400.00 snipers into $80.00 shooters.
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Holy Crap! Even *I* know that-- and I am VERY new to the whole milsurp game.


Regarding the WHY in ex-snipers--

Please don't quote me on this, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that ex-snipers are the result of a sniper rifle that has exhibted deteriorating accuracy due to wear or whatever. The rifles, which were hand-picked at arsenal originaly for accuracy and workmanship eventually didn't cut it as a "sniper-grade" rifle-- but were still well in the parameters of a service rifle.

Thus, the holes were filled and the rifle was returned as a service grade-- or racked for one later.

Again, don't quote me-- I can't even tell you where I read that. I read SurplusRifle.com and 7.62x54R.net among other forums--- I suspect I picked that up somewhere on one of those.


John
 
If it is a genuine original, good price. If it is one of the Interordance fakes, aboout $310 too much.
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At a gunshow in November, I was looking at a 91/30 in sniper configuration. The rifle looked like a refurb with a PU reciever mount was tagged at $180 or $190. It had a turned down bolt handle. The ring portion of the mount and the scope (looked like an inexpensive 4x hunting scope- definetely not a military scope- it was belled) was tagged at $100, but the seller offered it to me for $80 IF I bougth the rifle, scope and rings. I probably could have tried to hagel the price a bit but decided not to, and after looking at it several times I decided against it. What would have probably ended up around $260 for the set didn't enthuse me too much. I would have needed to purchase a sling as well- which would have been another $15 to $20 depending on where I bopught one. Looking at the mount, it was obvious to me that it was not original, and I had no evidence that would suggest that the rifle was anythign other than a 91/30 with a bent bolt and scope. The seller could not confirm what it was and I decided to assume the worst. He claimed that he got it at a gunshow and that he never fired it. I bet it would have been a fun rifle.

The seller had an ex-sniper (sniper bolt replaced with standard bolt, PU mount holes filled) for the same price.
 
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