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You could place them standing on a flat surface (tabletop), and see if they 'wiggle'. If they wiggle at all, you have high primers.
Took 2 trigger pulls to fire 1st handload attempt???
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My first thought was the same as everyone else's - primers not fully seated.
But then I remembered a situation I once had with my Walther PPK in .380. I had almost exactly the same problem with S&B factory loads. Some fired the first time but with others I had to pull the trigger several times before they went off. At some point I gave up trying to aim and was just trying to unload the rounds so I could reclaim the brass.
That was the only time I've ever used S&B ammo and the only time I ever had any problems with the James Bond gun. At the time, folks who knew more than me said the S&B primers had notoriously hard cups and were harder to crush. They all told me my hammer spring must be weak (I carried that gun as a backup when I was an LEO and it NEVER gave me any other problems).
That's all I know but it would suggest that the primers you were using may have been a contributing factor. One thing about it, if the primers are extra tough and they were not fully seated, that combination would sure enough give you trouble with ignition.
But then I remembered a situation I once had with my Walther PPK in .380. I had almost exactly the same problem with S&B factory loads. Some fired the first time but with others I had to pull the trigger several times before they went off. At some point I gave up trying to aim and was just trying to unload the rounds so I could reclaim the brass.
That was the only time I've ever used S&B ammo and the only time I ever had any problems with the James Bond gun. At the time, folks who knew more than me said the S&B primers had notoriously hard cups and were harder to crush. They all told me my hammer spring must be weak (I carried that gun as a backup when I was an LEO and it NEVER gave me any other problems).
That's all I know but it would suggest that the primers you were using may have been a contributing factor. One thing about it, if the primers are extra tough and they were not fully seated, that combination would sure enough give you trouble with ignition.
Well, it tells me they're at least flush with the base. If they need to be a couple of thousandths below flush, I don't really have a good way of testing that. I haven't had any misfires, so I'm guessing "good enough... is good enough".
wakmeister
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I looked at all rounds as I loaded, checked the primer to be flush on flat surface and they were, also checked each for oal-all o.k.--
ambidextrous1
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"Originally Posted by orionengnr
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I'm not telling you to but I reseat primers. Did a couple of books of factory stuff not long ago."
Maybe we should add "spelling" to orionengnr's original post...
"Originally Posted by orionengnr
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Paragraph.
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Please.
iTS THE INTER NET GET OVER IT,
I'm not telling you to but I reseat primers. Did a couple of books of factory stuff not long ago."
Maybe we should add "spelling" to orionengnr's original post...
choppinlow
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wakmeister, people have said several times they need to be below flush. Flush is not enough.
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"While you can try to seat the primer deeper, there is always the chance of a detonation.
How much of a chance? I ask because I do that from time to time. When I prime, I do batches of 50-100 at a time, and after priming I set each case on a smooth metal surface to see if it wobbles. If it does (because the primer's a bit high), I'll put it back in the press and mash it again. I don't jam it, I push on the press handle firmly and steadily until it's gone as far as it can."
Chances are quite small but real! The problem in this case is that the OP has completed rounds with high primers. If those decide to fire while reseating a high primer---bad ju-ju!! Seating/reseating primers in the initial stage (with no powder/bullet involved) is no where near as critical and likely most (if not all) of us do that, just don't have the priming tool pointed at anything you value.
"While you can try to seat the primer deeper, there is always the chance of a detonation.
How much of a chance? I ask because I do that from time to time. When I prime, I do batches of 50-100 at a time, and after priming I set each case on a smooth metal surface to see if it wobbles. If it does (because the primer's a bit high), I'll put it back in the press and mash it again. I don't jam it, I push on the press handle firmly and steadily until it's gone as far as it can."
Chances are quite small but real! The problem in this case is that the OP has completed rounds with high primers. If those decide to fire while reseating a high primer---bad ju-ju!! Seating/reseating primers in the initial stage (with no powder/bullet involved) is no where near as critical and likely most (if not all) of us do that, just don't have the priming tool pointed at anything you value.
wakmeister
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I understand that "flush" is not enough in seating primer--reading all above leads me to beleive that the primer is of a "hard" and or the depth of seat needs to be .004 below flush/case bottom???
I concur with those who say "insufficiently seated primer." That has been the sole source of misfires in my handloads. Eventually, you may notice that some brands of brass make it very difficult to get a primer seated all the way, and you may give even more than usual diligence in primer seating to that brass.
gamestalker
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I do not advocate re-seating primers in a loaded round, but I have done it once or twice over the years. It made me a little bit nervous, considering powder can, and does get into the pocket, which could cause a detonation I suppose.
So ya, just shoot them up, and then be a bit more mindful of future priming sessions before you powder and seat.
GS
So ya, just shoot them up, and then be a bit more mindful of future priming sessions before you powder and seat.
GS
wakmeister
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well I loaded up my Bersa thunder 380, fired 2 clips, no ftf or ftf--must have a harder strike in the Bersa than the Bodyguard, Bg is new, next task is to load up factory ammo in BG and see what happens--
well I loaded up my Bersa thunder 380, fired 2 clips, no ftf or ftf--must have a harder strike in the Bersa than the Bodyguard, Bg is new, next task is to load up factory ammo in BG and see what happens--
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