Took my WASR to the Range

[Jeff Burgess]

Decided to take it with me and at least try it out. My sight tool hasn’t arrived yet. First 10 shots out of the thing at 100 yards. I’m impressed. Got to get me a couple of good boxes of ammo to really sight it in, something besides this Tula
That’s a 6” black circle for comparison.

 

[lionking]

Newer or older WASR? I heard that newer ones are being made better, that's what I heard anyway. BTW try some Fiocchi ammo my SAR1 groups better with it than Tula although Tula is my plinking ammo.

 

[Jeff Burgess]

This the older GP 10/63 I picked up the other day. The good 7.62 hard to find around here.

 

[alaskan9974]

Newer or older WASR? I heard that newer ones are being made better, that's what I heard anyway. BTW try some Fiocchi ammo my SAR1 groups better with it than Tula although Tula is my plinking ammo.

I picked up a Wasr last week, 2018 production and a arsenal at the same time. My WASR is completely straight, no can't whatsoever and functions fine. Mag release is a little tight but no wobble. My SAM7...canted sights! No real function differences between them except one cost me more.

 

[mshootnit]

Decided to take it with me and at least try it out. My sight tool hasn’t arrived yet. First 10 shots out of the thing at 100 yards. I’m impressed. Got to get me a couple of good boxes of ammo to really sight it in, something besides this Tula
That’s a 6” black circle for comparison.

Is the 4.7 MOA with or without the right hand flier?

 

[JeffG]

My WASR is serviceable. Good shooting!

 

[Jeff Burgess]

Is the 4.7 MOA with or without the right hand flier?

I would assume it’s with since it counts all shots. Heck I dunno lol

 

[mshootnit]

I picked up a Wasr last week, 2018 production and a arsenal at the same time. My WASR is completely straight, no can't whatsoever and functions fine. Mag release is a little tight but no wobble. My SAM7...canted sights! No real function differences between them except one cost me more.

I would assume it’s with since it counts all shots. Heck I dunno lol

I had just noticed that the outside shot was represented by a different color than the rest.
Anyway good shooting.

 

[<*(((><]

The newer WASR's have been getting a reputation for the best value currently. And by your experience posted above I can see why, that 10 shot group is excellent for an iron sighted AK.

 

[Jeff Burgess]

I had just noticed that the outside shot was represented by a different color than the rest.
Anyway good shooting.

That shot was last one fired. It blinks untill another shot replaces it.

 

[Jeff Burgess]

The newer WASR's have been getting a reputation for the best value currently. And by your experience posted above I can see why, that 10 shot group is excellent.

This is not a new wasr but a older one.

 

[mshootnit]

That shot was last one fired. It blinks untill another shot replaces it.

So the furthest outside shot was the last one fired... thats actually good news, seemingly.
I bought an SLR95 milled Bulgarian AK in 1999 for around 480. That same rifle is worth over $1000 today. That is value in an AK.

 

[coondogger]

A vastly underrated weapon, IMHO. Even the ones from Century are decent in my experience.

 

[Ignition Override]

Mr. Burgess: That's pretty good for 100 yards using classic sights, about as good as I can usually shoot with my SAR-1 at 50 yards.

My four AKs have only had open sights, having never owned a scope or red dot type.
Keeping one's nose cranked way forward, near the rear of the action should eliminate any 'cheek slap' from Romanian butt stocks.

This seems to be how Rob Ski (former Polish soldier) shoots on AK Operators Union as he gradually tests thousands of rounds in many brands of AKs.
Off the topic, but whenever premature internal wear is found (or bad headspace at 2,500 (?) rds. in a new Century VSKA), he shows you premature wear in the trunnion or bolt lug channel etc, helping people evaluate which AK brands have 'milspec grade' steel and assembly.

 

[mshootnit]

The wasr can do intermittent 2 moa groups for 3 shots at 100 yds. They will throw a flier usually sideways. This will often be just under 4 moa. Sometimes I have gone out one day to the next with AKs and gotten 2 moa one day and 4 moa the next. I wonder if it just is a hard platform to bench rest and shoot well. But you can put a 6-8" steel target at 200 m. and ring it with regularity. I scope mine and don't stop sighting in until 4 shots in a row hit the plate at 200 yds. This is a 200 yd. group.
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[someguy2800]

About 3 or 4 inches is as good as I can shoot any iron sighted rifle at 100 yards so that pretty darn good.

Try Wolf hollow points. They shoot really good in my stuff.

 

[Jeff Burgess]

I won’t Scope a AK or.AR,

 

[marksman13]

That is a pretty good group from an AK. This is also the reason I’ll never own another AK

 

[Toprudder]

I just watched a pretty cool slow-motion video of an AK today. You can see a lot of barrel whip, and check out the video at 1:05, you can clearly see the bullet wobble after it comes out of the barrel.

 

[mshootnit]

That is a pretty good group from an AK. This is also the reason I’ll never own another AK

I just watched a pretty cool slow-motion video of an AK today. You can see a lot of barrel whip, and check out the video at 1:05, you can clearly see the bullet wobble after it comes out of the barrel.

I have seen this before, but I do not think the apparent whip etc. has a lot of real world bearing. You would think that much whip would make it so that the rifle couldn't hit a milk jug at 200 yds...but it can.

 

[If1HitU]

The wasr can do intermittent 2 moa groups for 3 shots at 100 yds. They will throw a flier usually sideways. This will often be just under 4 moa. Sometimes I have gone out one day to the next with AKs and gotten 2 moa one day and 4 moa the next. I wonder if it just is a hard platform to bench rest and shoot well. But you can put a 6-8" steel target at 200 m. and ring it with regularity. I scope mine and don't stop sighting in until 4 shots in a row hit the plate at 200 yds. This is a 200 yd. group.
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Very nice i like it very much.

 

[Toprudder]

I have seen this before, but I do not think the apparent whip etc. has a lot of real world bearing. You would think that much whip would make it so that the rifle couldn't hit a milk jug at 200 yds...but it can.

Yeah, most of that whip happens after the bullet leaves the barrel, like most rifles, but the extreme wobble of the bullet after it left the barrel is what really got my attention. That can't be good. That one short segment at 1:05 is the only one where I saw the bullet wobble, though.

 

[MTMilitiaman]

My brother and I each bought a WASR back in 2004 before the AWB sunsetted. We wanted a magazine fed semi-auto just in case our Congress critters didn't allow the AWB to go the way of the dodo. They were $300, shipped. Both the rifles were a little rough. They had atrocious trigger slap and enough cant to hold the bolt open. We smoothed out the rough edges and put Tapco trigger groups in them, and they turned into pretty decent rifles. Both of them came with test targets showing about 4 MOA. We had trouble duplicating that until we got rid of the trigger slap. The rifles became more user friendly then, and ammo was still fairly cheap, so we put a butt-load of rounds through those things over the next few years. Smoothing out the rough edges and messing around with furniture and other accessories really helped us learn the Kalashnikov inside and out.

 

[lionking]

My understanding based on reading on the WASR is that the 10/63 is a more desirable WASR because it was made with mostly surplus Romanian military parts except the barrel and receiver. The notion that they were made with rejected parts is false from what I read also. What I'm not sure is whether the 10/63 was made for the double stacked magazine or was originally single stack. My SAR1 Romanian was made original with double stack magazine so I have read.

Based upon reading my understanding is newer WASR are better quality control with no canted sights, and better quality for magazine fitting, and that the RAS series is not generally given high praise.

 

[Ignition Override]

lionking: To clarify some of my previous comments, you might know that the RAS tested on AK operators Union had very premature wear on the trunnion and bolt lug channel.
"Rob Ski" shows us internal wear results on various guns at approx. 3,500, even 5,000 rds. for certain brands.

He found bad headspace at about 2,500 rds. (?), in the new Century V*** type.

Is it true that Inter Ordnance (I.O.) shut down their AK production for while, as a result of so many serious issues with the assembly of their rifles?