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Best H&K pistol ever made in your opinion!


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Dear THR:
From the list which H&K pistol do you consider the best in overall quality? This is not any particular need specific. If your need is SD then vote keeping that in. Similarly, if you need is HD, sports, hunting etc then you choose accordingly and, kindly, discuss your choice.

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PS I voted P30. USP and 45 were close seconds.
 
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My first inclination was also to name the P30, (it's truly a great gun), but I had to go with the grand daddy MK23. No other gun like it in the world. A match grade gun made for the worst the earth can dish out.
 
I had to go with the grand daddy MK23. No other gun like it in the world. A match grade gun made for the worst the earth can dish out.

I would submit that there are some very very good reasons there is no other gun like it. It is pretty hard to think of anyway in which the MK23 is a more useful or better performing gun than the HK45T.
 
What exactly does the HK45t do that the MK23 doesn't? Is the HK45 rated for .45 super? The MK23 is.

And then there's the accuracy of the MK23. I've yet to see any posted test of the HK45. No doubt an excellent pistol, but has anyone ever said this of the HK45?

"In more than 450 accuracy test firings from a precision firing fixture at 25 meters, MK 23 pistols far exceeded the government requirement, averaging 1.44 inches, with 65 groups of less than one inch. There were four groups of .5 inches, with 5 rounds going through the same hole!"

Just my opinion you understand.
 
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I have had a P7, a P9S, and a USP. All were interesting and unique guns but none of them fit me just right. Tried a P30L and found the ergonomics of the design and overall quality to be first rate. Would like it a whole lot more if it wasn't quite so expensive.
 
Is the HK45 rated for .45 super?

The HK 45 can fire 45 super. Now we could also discuss the need or benefit in doing so, but yeah the HK 45 can do it.

And then there's the accuracy of the MK23. I've yet to see any posted test of the HK45. No doubt an excellent pistol, but has anyone ever said this of the HK45?

Besides Larry Vickers who said the following?

I shot it at fifteen yards and I remember being shocked. It shot as well if not better than any custom 1911 I’ve ever shot.

That is a pretty significant statement considering the source. Yeah the HK 45 is known as a very accurate gun. I would say either one is mechanically more accurate than the vast majority of folks that will shoot them. One surely would need a ransom rest wring out the difference between them. The HK 45 is known as being a rather accurate gun. I do not have a ransom rest to compare them and that is what would be needed. That would be a comparison between two guns and of limited value anyways. Can you outshoot the mechanical accuracy of either gun? If not I’m not sure why you would complain about an accuracy deficiency in either one.
I take it you have never shot an HK 45 since you are relying on what you have seen “posted” about the HK45s accuracy. Since all you are relying on is internet hearsay let me help you out.

Mechanically both are very accurate mechanically. The HK45 is going to be easier for a lot of folks to shoot. That is likely to matter more than mechanical accuracy of each. Also for the $800-1000 price difference you can buy a lot of ammo and or take some classes. That is significant with respect to accuracy since shooter skill will be the limiting factor.

In sum, I don't see any practical advantage in either ability to fire 45 super or in mechanical accuracy.

Why is the HK 45 better than the MK23, really this is a question? Have you actually used both guns? The MK 23 is HUGE. It is nearly the size of a dessert Eagle. That’s not hyperbole, it really is.

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It is too big. And what does all the size gain one? Two rounds over a HK 45 and three less than a smaller FN 45. Due to its size the HK 45 is easier to shoot well, easier to carry, and easier to manipulate.

The MK23 has a whole bunch of drawbacks vis-a-vis the HK 45:

The MK23 has a proprietary rail that has limited options and limited usefulness.
It has limited holster options.

The adoption of the MK24 Mod 0 by the only users the MK23 ever had (and the reported limited love it got there) are telling as well.

About the only place the MK23 wins is in making gamers get excited.

The MK23 is renowned for being tough and reliable. However the HK45 is as well and is a well proven gun in a better sized and vastly more ergonomic package.

There is a reason you never see the MK 23 in pistol classes. There is a reason no manufacture builds a gun like unto it. There is a reason it is a very limited production item for HK. It was a better idea on paper than it turned out to be in real life.

Just my opinion.

A bit of reading on the HK 45:

http://pistol-training.com/archives/4027
http://pistol-training.com/articles/hk45-interview-with-ken-hackathorn-and-larry-vickers
 
I'd pick the 45CT. I could make a good argument for the HK 45 but I prefer the grip on the 45C. Also, I am one of the people that get their trigger finger pinched by the HK45.
 
Picking my favorite HK is like picking a favorite child! If I could only keep on of them I suppose I would have to chose the P30S/P30LS. I dearly love my USPs but the P30 is just a little easier to CCW. I have a USC on layaway and it would be in the running but if I could only have one it would have to be a sidearm.
 
Morgo every time you put up this picture I begin me search for Match afresh.


Girodin I think by mistake you votes other since its next to 45ct if so plz ask mod to correct it.
 
HK poll response

I voted for the USP Full Size / Compact only because I own 4 USP's:
2 in .45ACP (1 Full size - SS Slide, 1 Compact)
1 in 40 S&W (Compact)
1 in .357 SIG ( Compact)

I have not fired any of the others except the P7 many years ago and I did not care for it due to the large grip area.

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I voted for the P7 because it's a great pistol and for its originality - there's really nothing like it. How many other uber-reliable slim steel-framed single-stack striker-fired pistols can you name? How many with squeeze-cockers? How many with a gas-delayed blowback locking system?

As for all of the other HK pistols listed, there is nothing they really do much better than any variety of other competing designs. Except maybe the Mark 23. It probably works as a boat anchor better than any other polymer pistol ever made.
 
Except maybe the Mark 23. It probably works as a boat anchor better than any other polymer pistol ever made.

I guess that means the USP match is also a boat anchor. Same size. :uhoh:

Is it crew served too?

Should we run it up the flag pole?

Why is the ammo backward?

Why does HK hate us?

Can we repeat any more trite, inane, inaccurate clichés?

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I bought an HK P7M8 in 1985 and I have stuck with it. At the time I think it was the smallest 9mm out there from a major manufacturer. I can CCW, but it's fixed poly barrel and overall high quality made it a very accurate pistol so I wasn't sacrificing anything for that compactness.

I also thought it was the best answer ever for the safety debate. I didn't worry about having to remember to take the manual safety off, on the other hand I didn't have to worry about it being cocked on a live round. The trigger is great - I never had to deal with DA/SA or DOA issues.

As much as I like to fire other pistols, I don't train with them. I "train" only with my HK P7M8. I know I can't use an SA pistol for for SD. If I were ever in a critical situation now and had one, I'd be sqeezing both the grips and the trigger and nothing else. I would have to do a lot of re-training. And there are issues with other pistol actions... decocking and all that.

I've loved this pistol from the very start. I wish now that I had purchased 6 of them, one to carry, one to keep by my bed, one to keep in my car, one to take to the range, one to just have in the safe so I could say to myself "HK P7M8 NIB NEVER fired - worth $1975 he he he he" and one to put under glass so I could gaze fondly at it's beauty from time to time.

BTW.. I read a lot of talk about "break in periods" for pistols. I have never had a failure of any kind with this pistol period. I've never put reloads through it, but I've used almost every major brand of ammo from 115 to 147gr and never had a problem.

This discussion reminds me of why I love my HK P7M8 so much.

God ! It is such a fantastic gun !

Thank you Germans !!!


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The P9S Sport is my favorite HK. I think its the best pure shooter they ever built.


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I guess that means the USP match is also a boat anchor. Same size.

Is it crew served too?

Should we run it up the flag pole?

Why is the ammo backward?

Why does HK hate us?

Can we repeat any more trite, inane, inaccurate clichés?

You seem a bit sensitive on this subject. Might want to get those panties out of a wad. We're all here to have fun and talk guns. And the Mark 23 is a big one.
 
Sensitive? No, just sick and tired of the same nonsense over and over again. Can't mention a fine gun, even in a frivolous opinion thread such as this, without the bird calls. It's a big gun... so what? So is the Elite, so is the Match. Get over it.
 
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