Trading in a .45 for a 10mm
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The 10mm is a great cartridge.
Nay sayers need to quit denegrating something that they obviously know very little about, even if they think they know everything about every topic.
Anyone who thinks that the Big 3 are the only quality ammo manufacturers need to expand their horizons and embrace other manufacturers.
Until the Fox network, there were only the Big 3 television network, now the Big 3 are being beaten by the new comer.
Change is good, embrace change, think outside the box, not about the box itself.
Nay sayers need to quit denegrating something that they obviously know very little about, even if they think they know everything about every topic.
Anyone who thinks that the Big 3 are the only quality ammo manufacturers need to expand their horizons and embrace other manufacturers.
Until the Fox network, there were only the Big 3 television network, now the Big 3 are being beaten by the new comer.
Change is good, embrace change, think outside the box, not about the box itself.
355sigfan, unless you are willing to broaden your horizons and try some real 10mm ammo, you will never know what a 10mm is.
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I am a reloader and I have loaded the hotest 10mm loads available to me in the reloading manuals. It is a fun round as a woods gun and for hunting. However for personal defense one should stick to factory ammo. I simply do not trust the small companies except Pro Load. I have had bad experiences with Corbon and Triton. So I take a very wait and see attitude with small companies. I can't even find Double Tap in Alaska.
Pat
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I am a reloader and I have loaded the hotest 10mm loads available to me in the reloading manuals. It is a fun round as a woods gun and for hunting. However for personal defense one should stick to factory ammo. I simply do not trust the small companies except Pro Load. I have had bad experiences with Corbon and Triton. So I take a very wait and see attitude with small companies. I can't even find Double Tap in Alaska.
Pat
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Spare us the self-righteous bleating, Pat. You have been proven wrong by the owner of the company you keep slandering over and over again, but you still just won't let go... let alone show some guts and admit you got the facts wrong on a bunch of points.
Come on, Pat, you've been objectively wrong on multiple points. That's been clearly demonstrated. Anyone can follow the links and judge for themselves. Everyone but you seems to recognize that. You are obviously the one substituting emotion for facts with this vendetta against Double Tap (and its owner, THR member MCNETT).
You said that Double Tap is just a glorified reloader, yet he's sold over half a million rounds to date. That's one sore arm on the Dillon 550!
You said Double Tap doesn't have low flash powders, and can only buy over-the-counter powders. In fact, he has a proprietary, low-flash powder made for him by a commercial supplier that IS low flash.
Of course, you also PMed me about some cockamamie theory you had about MCNETT mixing powders himself in his basement. Wrong again, go figure.
You said they don't offer sealed primers, when the owner of the company said that was an option on any of their ammo orders (customer's choice). Then you tried to claim credit for that fact!
How is that a matter of my opinion vs. yours, Pat? How can you say things that aren't true yet still be right? The only way out I can see for you is if MCNETT is lying every time he contradicts one of your cockamamie claims. But you've never quite gotten to that claim, just kind of danced around it.
Come on, Pat, you've been objectively wrong on multiple points. That's been clearly demonstrated. Anyone can follow the links and judge for themselves. Everyone but you seems to recognize that. You are obviously the one substituting emotion for facts with this vendetta against Double Tap (and its owner, THR member MCNETT).
You said that Double Tap is just a glorified reloader, yet he's sold over half a million rounds to date. That's one sore arm on the Dillon 550!
You said Double Tap doesn't have low flash powders, and can only buy over-the-counter powders. In fact, he has a proprietary, low-flash powder made for him by a commercial supplier that IS low flash.
Of course, you also PMed me about some cockamamie theory you had about MCNETT mixing powders himself in his basement. Wrong again, go figure.
You said they don't offer sealed primers, when the owner of the company said that was an option on any of their ammo orders (customer's choice). Then you tried to claim credit for that fact!
How is that a matter of my opinion vs. yours, Pat? How can you say things that aren't true yet still be right? The only way out I can see for you is if MCNETT is lying every time he contradicts one of your cockamamie claims. But you've never quite gotten to that claim, just kind of danced around it.
At the risk of incurring The Wrath of Correia, can I ask you a favor, sigfan?
Please learn to use the QUOTE function. It really makes it much easier to follow who said what. There's really no reason NOT to learn the various functioins that this board offers.
Next time you do a reply, look to the left of the screen. You'll see a heading entitled, "vB Code" and below that a choice of Normal Mode and Enhanced Mode. Click on the Enhanced Mode button and life will be easier for you, and for us.
Now when you want to quote someone, copy the text, hit the Quote button, paste your text, and hit the Close All Tags or the Close Current Tag button, and life is sweet.
I pwomise!
Please learn to use the QUOTE function. It really makes it much easier to follow who said what. There's really no reason NOT to learn the various functioins that this board offers.
Next time you do a reply, look to the left of the screen. You'll see a heading entitled, "vB Code" and below that a choice of Normal Mode and Enhanced Mode. Click on the Enhanced Mode button and life will be easier for you, and for us.
Now when you want to quote someone, copy the text, hit the Quote button, paste your text, and hit the Close All Tags or the Close Current Tag button, and life is sweet.
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"I can't even find Double Tap in Alaska."
That's because you haven't taken off the blinders. Have you ever asked MCNETT to ship you an order?
MCNETT does ship DT 10mm to Alaska - as evidenced by the various posts from Alaskan 10mm fans on GT's 10Ring. He's worked hard to set up arrangements with Alaskan FFLs to receive shipments and get the orders to his Alaskan customers.
You're just a phone call or e-mail away. C'mon, Pat, make us proud. Order some DT 10mm for your 610 today.
That's because you haven't taken off the blinders. Have you ever asked MCNETT to ship you an order?
MCNETT does ship DT 10mm to Alaska - as evidenced by the various posts from Alaskan 10mm fans on GT's 10Ring. He's worked hard to set up arrangements with Alaskan FFLs to receive shipments and get the orders to his Alaskan customers.
You're just a phone call or e-mail away.
C'mon, Pat, make us proud. Order some DT 10mm for your 610 today. RevolverMan
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Yah, I live in the next state over from DT ammo and nobody stocks it here.
Oh wait, it is currently an internet business.
Try ordering some, then you can have some where you live.
Oh wait, it is currently an internet business.
Try ordering some, then you can have some where you live.
It doesn't appear that way by your posts. And Doubletap is available to you. Call them or order over the net
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Well it helps to know what your talking about. You can't have ammo shipped to Alaska unless your shipping huge amounts by sea. The airfreight haz mat charges are too high. I have yet to find a shipper willing to do it. So before you ASSUME you should get the facts. The internet ammo buisness is not available up here.
I am going to ignore a certain poster who choses not to play nice. To the rest of you I enjoy open honest debate and discussion on this topic. As for double taps ammo. I really don't need to try it. I can match his velocities with power pistol for the most part. If I want real power in a handgun I go with my 5 shot Bowen in 45 Colt.
Pat
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Well it helps to know what your talking about. You can't have ammo shipped to Alaska unless your shipping huge amounts by sea. The airfreight haz mat charges are too high. I have yet to find a shipper willing to do it. So before you ASSUME you should get the facts. The internet ammo buisness is not available up here.
I am going to ignore a certain poster who choses not to play nice. To the rest of you I enjoy open honest debate and discussion on this topic. As for double taps ammo. I really don't need to try it. I can match his velocities with power pistol for the most part. If I want real power in a handgun I go with my 5 shot Bowen in 45 Colt.
Pat
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Pat,
Just what is your grudge against McNetts ammo?
Why do you feel the need to trash his product?
Just what is your grudge against McNetts ammo?
Why do you feel the need to trash his product?
Hi Ardent,
I don't know if you reload or not, but if you don't, are their any issues of having handgun ammo sent to Canada? If so, that might be something for you to consider.
If you do reload, 45 Super might be another easy option for you. A better (IMO)discussion of 10mm and 45 Super is here:
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=76314
As far as flatter shooting, I agree that a 10mm can shoot flatter, but I wonder how flat we actually need a handgun to shoot? I guess it partly depends on how far you can shoot, accurately. I've found I can shoot Red Squirrells (about 1.5X the size of a chipmunk) @ ~ 40 yards with 230 grain ball ammo, holding the sights on the top of their backs. Now I suppose my 10mm would be able to do the same while holding just under the top of their backs, but...? Much further, and I think my accuracy would make the difference in trajectory a moot point. I could be wrong though. Next time I have to take care of a squirrell, I'll get out the RZ and how much better it does
While I agree that 45 ACP and 45 ACP +P loads can't touch 10mm energy-wise, loading a 45 ACP to 10mm energy levels won't necessarily blow it, the case or the shooter up (even without 45 Super brass) The exploding 45 seems to be a real common belief, but it's not (always) the case. I've looked into it and posted the info here:
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=78625
I'm not saying I recommend anyone make a habit of it (although I've personally seen nothing that shows it can't be done safely in some cases). It won't however, categorically, explode.
I don't know if you reload or not, but if you don't, are their any issues of having handgun ammo sent to Canada? If so, that might be something for you to consider.
If you do reload, 45 Super might be another easy option for you. A better (IMO)discussion of 10mm and 45 Super is here:
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=76314
As far as flatter shooting, I agree that a 10mm can shoot flatter, but I wonder how flat we actually need a handgun to shoot? I guess it partly depends on how far you can shoot, accurately. I've found I can shoot Red Squirrells (about 1.5X the size of a chipmunk) @ ~ 40 yards with 230 grain ball ammo, holding the sights on the top of their backs. Now I suppose my 10mm would be able to do the same while holding just under the top of their backs, but...? Much further, and I think my accuracy would make the difference in trajectory a moot point. I could be wrong though. Next time I have to take care of a squirrell, I'll get out the RZ and how much better it does
While I agree that 45 ACP and 45 ACP +P loads can't touch 10mm energy-wise, loading a 45 ACP to 10mm energy levels won't necessarily blow it, the case or the shooter up (even without 45 Super brass) The exploding 45 seems to be a real common belief, but it's not (always) the case. I've looked into it and posted the info here:
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=78625
I'm not saying I recommend anyone make a habit of it (although I've personally seen nothing that shows it can't be done safely in some cases). It won't however, categorically, explode.
Just what is your grudge against McNetts ammo?
Why do you feel the need to trash his product?
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How have I trashed his products? What grudge have I shown against him personally? I don't know the man. I personally have a hard time trusting small ammo companies in general for serious uses like duty use or self defense. My experience has shown that small companies often lack the quality of the larger companies. Corbon and Triton has let me down in some serious ways. My experence has shown its best to stick with the larger experienced companies.
I hope this clears up some misconceptions. I have no personal feelings for or against Mcnett. I just would not recommend any ammo from a smaller company for serious uses. With some exceptions like Black Hills and Proload.
Pat
Why do you feel the need to trash his product?
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How have I trashed his products? What grudge have I shown against him personally? I don't know the man. I personally have a hard time trusting small ammo companies in general for serious uses like duty use or self defense. My experience has shown that small companies often lack the quality of the larger companies. Corbon and Triton has let me down in some serious ways. My experence has shown its best to stick with the larger experienced companies.
I hope this clears up some misconceptions. I have no personal feelings for or against Mcnett. I just would not recommend any ammo from a smaller company for serious uses. With some exceptions like Black Hills and Proload.
Pat
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Ok, so you trust Federal after their Hydra shoks blew up several Glock 21's at Portland PD?
Seems their QC is problematic at best.
Winchester measures the velocity for their 10mm Silvertip out of a 5.5" bbl, even though the two most popular bbl lengths are 5.0 and 4.6. I sure as heck don't trust Winchester, they are playing fast and loose with the numbers hoping people don't notice that they use a longer bbl than their customers do.
If you haven't tried the ammo or evaluated it, then you really can't make an informed statement about it. Just because you don't like small companies doesn't mean there is anything wrong with a small companies ammo.
I understand you have had problems with Corbon and Triton, transferring this onto other companies is unfair to those companies.
Just food for thought for us all.
Anyway, I don't care for Federal or Winchester, I prefer the Speer Gold Dot line and luckily, DT loads the Gold Dot to the velocities it should be loaded to, especially since Speer doesn't even load a 10mm Gold Dot.
Hint, hint are you listening Speer?
I would love to hear any bad experience with DT, from anyone out there, if there have been any in the 500k+ that he has loaded.
Seems their QC is problematic at best.
Winchester measures the velocity for their 10mm Silvertip out of a 5.5" bbl, even though the two most popular bbl lengths are 5.0 and 4.6. I sure as heck don't trust Winchester, they are playing fast and loose with the numbers hoping people don't notice that they use a longer bbl than their customers do.
If you haven't tried the ammo or evaluated it, then you really can't make an informed statement about it. Just because you don't like small companies doesn't mean there is anything wrong with a small companies ammo.
I understand you have had problems with Corbon and Triton, transferring this onto other companies is unfair to those companies.
Just food for thought for us all.
Anyway, I don't care for Federal or Winchester, I prefer the Speer Gold Dot line and luckily, DT loads the Gold Dot to the velocities it should be loaded to, especially since Speer doesn't even load a 10mm Gold Dot.
Hint, hint are you listening Speer?
I would love to hear any bad experience with DT, from anyone out there, if there have been any in the 500k+ that he has loaded.
I dont ususaly post here but I feel the need to intervene. First of all Sigfan says he doesnt trust small companies only big ones except for a few. So what, its his loss. Try calling one of your favorite big companies and having the owner answer. He remembers you and will even take the time to discuss what type of shooting you have in mind and if needed he will make suggestions. He is vey polite and an intereesting person to talk to. He is even a 10mm enthusiast like me! He has my credit card # on file so I just tell him what to send me what I need. Two days later its on my door. The price is very good and the ammo is the best and most reliable I have found for my G20. Starline brass makes good reloads.
Ok, maybe your right I will call one of the big companies and order some of their mass produced crap including cases I wouldnt reload for 3 dollars more a box. Sure the velocity wont be there, neither will the customer service but their bigger so they must be better.
I think the only reson you dont want to deal with a straight up guy like Mcnett is because you are in Alaska so it would be cost prohibitive to ship it there. It's nice to support a business that is run by someone who is still one of us and knows what we want. In other words quit being a hater!
Ok, maybe your right I will call one of the big companies and order some of their mass produced crap including cases I wouldnt reload for 3 dollars more a box. Sure the velocity wont be there, neither will the customer service but their bigger so they must be better.
I think the only reson you dont want to deal with a straight up guy like Mcnett is because you are in Alaska so it would be cost prohibitive to ship it there. It's nice to support a business that is run by someone who is still one of us and knows what we want. In other words quit being a hater!
Ok, so you trust Federal after their Hydra shoks blew up several Glock 21's at Portland PD?
Seems their QC is problematic at best.
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Thats a piss poor example. This problem is a fraction of Federals overall ammo sales. Winchester makes damn good ammo. I like the Ranger T line in particular.
Lets keep it simple guys. Buy what you like and I will buy what I like. If Double Tap contines with a good record it will get bigger and this discussion will become moot.
Pat
Seems their QC is problematic at best.
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Thats a piss poor example. This problem is a fraction of Federals overall ammo sales. Winchester makes damn good ammo. I like the Ranger T line in particular.
Lets keep it simple guys. Buy what you like and I will buy what I like. If Double Tap contines with a good record it will get bigger and this discussion will become moot.
Pat
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Temper, temper Pat.
The Portland incident is a fine example of poor quality control.
Defensive ammo that blows up your gun is a bad thing, no matter who makes it.
I am sorry you can't see that without getting all emotional on me.
You buy what you want, I will buy what I want.
I still carry Federal and Winchester ammo in various weapons.
Unlike you, I won't belittle people for their ammo choices.
The Portland incident is a fine example of poor quality control.
Defensive ammo that blows up your gun is a bad thing, no matter who makes it.
I am sorry you can't see that without getting all emotional on me.
You buy what you want, I will buy what I want.
I still carry Federal and Winchester ammo in various weapons.
Unlike you, I won't belittle people for their ammo choices.
Unlike you, I won't belittle people for their ammo choices.
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I never belitted anyone. I simply expressed why I don't and will not carry certain ammunition. And I did not lose my temper it is a poor example to use an incident involving a few rounds of ammo from a company that makes millions of rounds. Compared to smaller firms that have a much higher failure rate like Corbon and Triton.
Take care.
Pat
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I never belitted anyone. I simply expressed why I don't and will not carry certain ammunition. And I did not lose my temper it is a poor example to use an incident involving a few rounds of ammo from a company that makes millions of rounds. Compared to smaller firms that have a much higher failure rate like Corbon and Triton.
Take care.
Pat
The Portland incident is a fine example of poor quality control.
Defensive ammo that blows up your gun is a bad thing, no matter who makes it.
I am sorry you can't see that without getting all emotional on me.
You buy what you want, I will buy what I want.
I still carry Federal and Winchester ammo in various weapons.
Unlike you, I won't belittle people for their ammo choices.
No ones quality control is perfect. Accidents are going to happen. But anyone who argues a .45acp is anywhere near a 10mm is just nuts. But in real world close combat at 5 ft I really don't think your going to have to worry about bullet drop to much
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From what I've seen of your posts on this subject (but not necessaily in this thread), the folks at DoubleTap might disagree.
See, this is where you lose me. You didn't say this. In this thread, you initially said, "The 10mm offers little in power over a +p 45 auto load. Its ammo is scarce and less and less guns are being made for it." I'm sorry, but that is NOT an expression of why you don't and won't carry certain ammo.
Now, I may or may not agree with your perspective, but that's not what bothers me. What bothers me is that in thread after thread concerning the 10mm, you *always* come out with blanket statements like 'the 10mm is a dying cartridge' and '10mm isn't any more powerful than 45ACP +P'. It's only after legions of folks have to come out of the woodwork and take you to task on these sweeping generalizations that you start qualifying things - 'I don't like handloads' and 'I won't carry ammo that's not made by Federal, Winchester, or Remington', and so forth.
Blah, blah, blah. Carry what you want, and shoot what you want. But please don't presume to give advice to people all over the world about what the 10mm and/or 45ACP cartridges will do unless you're actually willing to qualify each and every one of your statements with all of the baggage that you've loaded onto them.
I'd have to say that rbernie just nailed Pat's MO to the wall.
Look, life's short, so let's keep this simple. Don't be a 10mm-hater.
For Pat, and any other 10mm-haters out there, you owe it to yourself to take the pledge today. Trust me, you'll survive. Just say:
"Today I will not hate the 10mm."
Repeat this each morning when you look at yourself in the mirror.
There now, don't you feel better?
Look, life's short, so let's keep this simple. Don't be a 10mm-hater.
For Pat, and any other 10mm-haters out there, you owe it to yourself to take the pledge today. Trust me, you'll survive. Just say:
"Today I will not hate the 10mm."
Repeat this each morning when you look at yourself in the mirror.
There now, don't you feel better?
.45 Auto = Good
10mm Auto = Better
The only place the .45 beats the 10mm is that punches a .05" larger hole and in its heaviest loadings it's 10gns heavier (with the exception of DT's duplex load). In every other area the 10mm posts the advantage. Gun/ammo availability or price has absolutely nothing to do with ballistics. These are definately considerations, but these are not issues that make one cartridge a superior performer over another.
10mm Auto = Better
The only place the .45 beats the 10mm is that punches a .05" larger hole and in its heaviest loadings it's 10gns heavier (with the exception of DT's duplex load). In every other area the 10mm posts the advantage. Gun/ammo availability or price has absolutely nothing to do with ballistics. These are definately considerations, but these are not issues that make one cartridge a superior performer over another.
Hows this I chose to carry the 45 over the 10mm because it recoils less, is more reliable and has proven to be one of the best handgun rounds for stopping power out there. There is no evidence of the 10mm stopping people better than the 45 acp.
I don't hate the 10mm its a viable choice it will do the job. However I feel there are better tools for the job. Based on actual sales figures a lot of people must agree with me.
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See, this is where you lose me. You didn't say this. In this thread, you initially said, "The 10mm offers little in power over a +p 45 auto load. Its ammo is scarce and less and less guns are being made for it." I'm sorry, but that is NOT an expression of why you don't and won't carry certain ammo.
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Acually it is. I am sorry but I don't have the time to help you with your reading comprehension. I listed several facts as to why I prefer the 45 acp and other cartridges to the 10mm.
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'the 10mm is a dying cartridge' and '10mm isn't any more powerful than 45ACP +P'.
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These are not simply blanket statments they are facts backed up by sales figures, law enforcement and ccw trends. As well as simple ammunitions comparisions. Overall the 10mm is only slightly hotter than the +p 45 acp loads. The exceptions from factory makers are few. If you want to get right down to it. You can load up 45 super or the 460 roland both of which can still fire 45 acp and torch the 10mm.
Pat
I don't hate the 10mm its a viable choice it will do the job. However I feel there are better tools for the job. Based on actual sales figures a lot of people must agree with me.
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See, this is where you lose me. You didn't say this. In this thread, you initially said, "The 10mm offers little in power over a +p 45 auto load. Its ammo is scarce and less and less guns are being made for it." I'm sorry, but that is NOT an expression of why you don't and won't carry certain ammo.
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Acually it is. I am sorry but I don't have the time to help you with your reading comprehension. I listed several facts as to why I prefer the 45 acp and other cartridges to the 10mm.
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'the 10mm is a dying cartridge' and '10mm isn't any more powerful than 45ACP +P'.
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These are not simply blanket statments they are facts backed up by sales figures, law enforcement and ccw trends. As well as simple ammunitions comparisions. Overall the 10mm is only slightly hotter than the +p 45 acp loads. The exceptions from factory makers are few. If you want to get right down to it. You can load up 45 super or the 460 roland both of which can still fire 45 acp and torch the 10mm.
Pat
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Hmmm, interesting...
.... but a bit "apples and oranges" to some degree.
You can not whine(with or without the cheese) about recoil in one statement(with possible derision) and in another tout a cousin caliber to the .45 ACP "and torch the 10mm" without acknowledging the recoil factor of the indicated caliber. Sorry, you can't do that, it's just not sporting...
Those facts are a matter of physics and CAN NOT be ignored.... unless one is just attempting to justify a point of contention in diametric oppostion to the (currently immutable) laws of physics.
Last time I checked, the .45 Super AND 460 Rowland were/are not readily available on most dealers shelves. They do have a following, but no where near that of the 10mm Auto.
As for the functionality issue, the most feed/cycling isses I've seen at matches(mostly IDPA) are from the 1911 platform in the .45 ACP caliber. I am not stating this as the defacto primer on reliability, just that any caliber and platform can malfunction. My 10mm S&W 1066 has never malf'ed on any type of ammo, while two(2) mags from my G20 show a marked dislike for CCI 200gr blazer alloy cased ammo(but not for any brass cased types). YRMV with any caliber/platform combintion. It is up to the individual shooter to make sure that his/her chosen caliber and platform fuction to life-saving capabilities.
Beyond that, this thread is mostly a urination contest and won't shift any opinions of those posting. AFM, I like the 10mm and I also shoot the .45 ACP. I just like to be able to have more ammo in a flatter shooting caliber, that in most cases delivers more energy on target(if I do it correctly), has projectiles with higher S/D for weight and provides more FPE per bullet weight. Remember, it is a function of velocity and mass. JMO
Shoot safe, shoot well!
.... but a bit "apples and oranges" to some degree.
You can not whine(with or without the cheese) about recoil in one statement(with possible derision) and in another tout a cousin caliber to the .45 ACP "and torch the 10mm" without acknowledging the recoil factor of the indicated caliber. Sorry, you can't do that, it's just not sporting...
Those facts are a matter of physics and CAN NOT be ignored.... unless one is just attempting to justify a point of contention in diametric oppostion to the (currently immutable) laws of physics.
Last time I checked, the .45 Super AND 460 Rowland were/are not readily available on most dealers shelves. They do have a following, but no where near that of the 10mm Auto.
As for the functionality issue, the most feed/cycling isses I've seen at matches(mostly IDPA) are from the 1911 platform in the .45 ACP caliber. I am not stating this as the defacto primer on reliability, just that any caliber and platform can malfunction. My 10mm S&W 1066 has never malf'ed on any type of ammo, while two(2) mags from my G20 show a marked dislike for CCI 200gr blazer alloy cased ammo(but not for any brass cased types). YRMV with any caliber/platform combintion. It is up to the individual shooter to make sure that his/her chosen caliber and platform fuction to life-saving capabilities.
Beyond that, this thread is mostly a urination contest and won't shift any opinions of those posting. AFM, I like the 10mm and I also shoot the .45 ACP. I just like to be able to have more ammo in a flatter shooting caliber, that in most cases delivers more energy on target(if I do it correctly), has projectiles with higher S/D for weight and provides more FPE per bullet weight. Remember, it is a function of velocity and mass. JMO
Shoot safe, shoot well!
You can not whine(with or without the cheese) about recoil in one statement(with possible derision) and in another tout a cousin caliber to the .45 ACP "and torch the 10mm" without acknowledging the recoil factor of the indicated caliber. Sorry, you can't do that, it's just not sporting...
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True good point. However you can not tout the extra energy of the 10mm without acknoledging the extra recoil it has over the 45 acp. Turn about is fair play. The 10mm does have a larger following than the 460 roland and the 45 super. But the 10mm's following compared to the 45 is miniscule.
Pat
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True good point. However you can not tout the extra energy of the 10mm without acknoledging the extra recoil it has over the 45 acp. Turn about is fair play. The 10mm does have a larger following than the 460 roland and the 45 super. But the 10mm's following compared to the 45 is miniscule.
Pat
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