Triple Seven powder

[Smokin_Gun]

It's already 15% hotter by volume to BP and was told fffg 777 is is hotter soooo if it broke my 1860 with ffg 777 why would I use fffg 777...I looked up the spec before using ... Hogdon doesn't really lean towards cap & ball with fffg 777 more geared to cartridge Revs.
Either way I found out enough with ffg 777 to know I don't wanna use it.

I'll stick with the Holy Black Powder thank you very much...nothin' like the real thing baby...

SG

 

[dwave]

Hogdon doesn't really lean towards cap & ball with fffg 777 more geared to cartridge Revs.

That isn't true. Hodgdon says to use only FFg in cartridges. And all load data is listed as FFg.

From the web site:

Triple Seven In Cartridges: Use data specifically developed for Triple Seven FFG only.

Here is the load data from Hodgdon's website:

 

[1858rem]

you broke your 1860? what broke?.... i was a gun shop tryin to order the kirst cylinder but was waiting on a few other people in line and i found these little reloading manuals which stated loads for bp cowboy cartridge rounds and smokeless cartridge cowboy loads(i also saw a 45 lc for the first time.... awesome!!!!) anyhow the manual stated around 6-10000 cup for smokeless 200g loads, later stating around 11-13500 for 777 loose and pyro pellets respectively, except the pellets were loaded under a 250 g bullet, and the 777 was ffg in the manual.... ummm.. i actually did not see any loads for 777 3f in any cap an balll except for the ruger OA, and that was only 25 or 30g load i cant remember... and at about 10-11000cup. conflicting facts in a way i think?

 

[Mike 56]

I shoot fff Goex in my cap n Balls but i would like to try 777 especially in my walker. I have a friend that shoots Pyrodex RS in his 58. Likes it because it is bulkier. He almost fills the chamber and seats the ball. He shoots the gun well.

Mike

 

[Smokin_Gun]

Sorry typo dwave S/B "if it broke my 1860 with ffg 777*, why would I use fffg 777,..."ffg 777 I looked up the spec before using ... Hogdon doesn't really lean towards cap & ball with ffg 777 more geared to cartridge Revs.
Either way I found out enough with ffg 777 to know I don't wanna use it."

Is that clearer???

SG

 

[Smokin_Gun]

That was part of my point that kinda got lost...what broke on my 1860 pietta was the sharper recoil must have not knowingly knocked the wedge out before or with the third shot, sheared both pins clear off...I drilled them out and hand made custom new pins and still shoots great. 28 gr of ffg 777 by volume messed up my Rev...BP it the best and most accurate you can buy...Powder Inc . delivers....
I can't use lube pills with then and 777 is less accurate than fffg Goex BP in any of my Revs. It is not easily pessed or dompressed for depenanle repeatability...

SG

 

[sundance44s]

I`ve loaded the 777 in 45 cartridges before ...it`s a bit stout for me ...maybe as a hunting load ..but for target shooting ...it`s a little heavy on the recoil .
Pyrodex P is stout too ..loaded in 45 colts ...I stick with Goex these days ..no worries ..enjoy shooting them much more , and don`t have to worrie about streching the frames on my revolvers ..The original black powder 45 loadings offer plenty of punch .

 

[1858rem]

what weight bullets are you using with the 45 loads? what charge weight too, i pla on getting a conversion soon and was curious what are a good combo of bullet an charge weight? and what load did you try with the 777 in cartridges?

 

[BHP FAN]

I've been useing 30 grains of 3f Triple Seven,under a 250 gr. bullet,and it's really too stout for my 7 1/2'' SAA ...stands the revolver staight up in your hand from the rather hairy recoil.A LOT like shooting full house .44 mag rounds.They work well in my carbine,though.I'll use Triple Seven in moderation [about 55-60 grains] in my trapdoor,but not with my 405 bullets,just my little 385 spire points.

 

[dwave]

Is that clearer???

Perfectly.
I was pointing it out so nobody would use FFFg in carts, which Hodgdon doesn't support.

 

[sundance44s]

1858rem ....I use the heavyer 250 gr bullets because they are more accurate in my conversion cylinder Remingtons ...the lighter 200 gr bullets are just ok ....as far as accuracy ...when I use real black powder I always cast my own bullets they are 255 gr . 2 lube groves Lee Mold ..and I pan lube them and use 34 grs of Goex 3f under them ....they Crono at 877 fps out of my 8 inch barrel Remmies and 781 fps with my 5 1/2 inch barrl Remmies ....my Pyrodex P loads Crono at 940 fps 8 inch barrel and 837 fps 5 1/2 barrel .....I never weigh the charge , I use a volume type measure ...and get 1/8 inch compression seating the bullets with no over powder card . I`ve tried useing an over powder card , but saw little difference if any. A good neck crimp is important for less blow back on the cases . The Lee crimp die does a good job . The 777 loads I tried with the 250 moly lubed bullets ..I used only 30 grs of 2f 777 and a over powder card ..they fly at 957 fps out of the 8 inch barrel ...and feel like a Mag load ...wern`t much fun to shoot .

 

[1858rem]

it sounds like when these cartridge loads are used it kicks more maybe? cause w/40g 777 fffg my 1858 only seems like a really hard 38 special kick, true though 38 special being the only cartridge pistol i have yet fired i dont have much else to compare to. 250g sounds good... i may cast some, but i saw a place that sells 500 packs of hard cast 200 or 225 or 250g bullets for just under 40 bucks! maybe ill get 200's and 250's(or all three lol) an try them with 777 ffg,fffg just to see how goes, but i mostly will use trail boss i think

 

[sundance44s]

I use Trail Boss as my smokeless loading 45 Lc ...it`s good target powder ..puney compaired to the black powder loads though ...but a lot quicker to reload , and easy to clean up after .