Trunk Gun: Smart Investment or Bad Idea?

Do you have a trunk gun?

  • No way! It'll get stolen.

    Votes: 62 21.0%
  • Sometimes, taking extra security precautions.

    Votes: 33 11.2%
  • 24/7. Never know when you'll need it.

    Votes: 65 22.0%
  • Depends (where you live, type of vehicle, etc.)

    Votes: 135 45.8%

  • Total voters
    295
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The common response to needing a rifle in your vehicle seems to be that you can simply just drive away from the danger. What if your vehicle has been disabled? It doesn't take much to turn a vehicle into a boat anchor. One blown fuse, a flat tire, even a busted windshield could keep you from going anywhere. Your disabled vehicle has now turned into a decent piece of cover if you need it though. And thats the scenario in my mind. I'm pinned down for whatever reason and need to defend myself until I can get to a safe place or the police get there. Around here it could easily be 15-20 minutes from the time you call 911 until a cop shows up. If you are lucky enough to have cell service.

My 7 rounds of .380 in my carry gun wont go very far in that situation. Thats my "defensive" reason for having a rifle in my truck. My truck becomes the Alamo and I hopefully have enough ammo and firepower to defend myself.

Of course, the odds of me needing it are infinitesimally small. Just like needing my normal carry gun.

I carry it because I can and I don't like the idea of being a victim.
 
Justin, after the storm passes, there's still a bunch of trees on the roads. Like I said, I don't have a reason to use a rifle in that situation, but a lot of the response to when people say they like having a trunk gun for SHTF or EOTWAWKI situations is "just go home first", well, the roads may be blocked, or you might not have a home to get to. I may not always have access to my home, but I nearly always have access to my car.

My comment was tongue in cheek but i just don't buy into these end of the world scenarios in which one second everything is business as usual and the next gun fights are raging in the streets. Even in the unlikely event that battle breaks out it would not be without warning. If there were a big enough disaster to destroy the infrastructure fighting would not occur until the starving started.

The only scenario in history i can think of in which a rifle would have been good to have in the trunk was the UT tower massacre. Of course that was one time in our history and cops did not have carbines back then.
 
armoredman, you weren't on Tosh.0, were you?
No, what was that?

I think what is the underlying goal is a long gun that is easily accessible in case of a real yet incredibly unlikely emergency. The trunk is utilized due to the prevalence of cars over trucks/SUVs, but the only REAL access to a long gun to a driver quickly and easily is either a standard police mount, or an overhead mount.

http://www.galls.com/msn/style-VP235-general_catalog-tufloc-single-vertical-gun-rack-with-gun-lock

http://www.galls.com/msn/style-VP20...n-gun-rack-and-lock-system-with-small-gunlock

Those are going to get in the way and be kinda painfully obvious, even if you leave a jacket permanently thrown over them. The best solution is something like this,

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Big-...cle+gun+rack&WTz_l=Header;Search-All+Products

Just figure out some sort of velcro'ed flap that covers them from anyone bending down and peering up. Still would be a pain to get it out, but better than a trunk, and if secured with bolts and chains, a little more theft resistant. That's the best "solution" to the basic question...while ignoring the question behind it - what use would it be? Even as someone who rarely but occasionally uses a concealed long gun, trying to access it while a driver is going to be rough. I suppose it falls back to, "I think I might need it, I am willing to accept the risks inherent in its carry/use/storage, and it's legal for me to do so."
 
My particular situation would be if a BIG quake hits and all the roads are blocked. In that case, depending where I am it might take a day - or two - to walk home. There, in addition to a "get home bag", a small rifle/handgun could be used to shoot food or for defense. A .22 rifle is far more accurate that a handgun and enough for the purpose at hand.

But realistic?..... not really, which is why I decided against the idea.
 
kb58, that's why one of my preparations is Coast Guard approved lifeboat rations. One bar per 4 hours on land, low water use, quite tasty, and 18 bars per package. Lightweight and easy to store, long shelf life. A couple packs of these in the BBelt in the car is good to get home, barring any OTHER weirdness, for a couple of days.
 
I live in the sticks. There's a Mossberg 590, a Marlin 336 lever in 30-30, and a stainless Mini-14 under the back seat of my crew-cab Chevy in one of these:

http://www.du-ha.com/chevy_crew_cab_07.html

These long-guns were all bought used and cheap. They're farming tools.

I remove them on the rare occasions I might have to leave my truck parked at the local municipal airport or something like that.
 
Sam1911 why eliminate recreational pursuits?
I've already discussed recreational activities as a decent reason. You shoot a lot and live in a very secluded/safe place, maybe this isn't a horrible idea.

I'm addressing the folks who can't come up with an actual REASON for doing this but want to anyway. The guys who say, "you never know," or "survival," or "what about Mumbai?," etc. Where the clear risks aren't balanced by any plausible (or even, apparently, conceivable) reward.

The way you postulate your question, outside of extremely remote areas with bad cell reception I don't see a need. However emergencies can arise that are unforeseen though admittedly I can't think of one where you would use it to save a life.
Which is why I'm asking my questions. If you can't think of a possible REAL WORLD scenario where the rifle is the tool to save your life, why in the world leave it out in the "steal-me box?"

I think this argument comes down to if you feel responsible for what someone does with an item after stealing it. I don't, you do. Debating this is a question of morals, which does not have a definite answer. Though politely discussing morals is always enlightening. In that vein please answer whether you think ffl's should be held responsible for their customers actions? Assuming no straw purchasers or Holder nonsense. In example I buy a gun then murder my brother a year later is the seller responsible?
The thing is that we all do take SOME pains to not put guns in the hands of evil and violent people. FFL holders have to take quite specific steps, and are above and beyond that, empowered and charged with denying sales to anyone who seems like they are up to no good.
The dealer (or seller) is not liable for the future criminal wrongdoing, but if we have been irresponsible in dispersing weapons, then yes, we hold some personal responsibility for not hindering, in fact abetting, those harms.

If you wouldn't leave it on your front lawn where a child might get their hands on it, probably shouldn't leave it in your car where the most bottom-tier criminals in your neigborhood will be looking for goodies anyway.

To recap:
I live on a ranch or other secluded spot and I shoot prairie dogs 3 days a week. Maybe keeping that gun in the vehicle isn't irresponsible. The risks are low. I get a real-world benefit (however tiny) in not having to carry the gun inside 3 times a week, and if the gun is ever stolen, well...probably should have known better, but it was pretty unexpected.

I live in the city. I leave a gun under the carpet in the trunk of my car, just because, well, I can't think of a reason, but I like to keep my options open. Now, I have NO benefit whatsoever from that gun being out there, but every night I leave it there the odds increase that it will be stolen at some point. I'm rolling the dice every night, putting my gun -- and arming a criminal -- on table and the payout is ... NOTHING. No point ANY of us have been able to think of. Now when that gun goes missing I can kick myself soundly because I might as well have sold it to the gang banger on the next block the very first week I lived here for all the good it's done me, and -- of course -- he ended up with it anyway.
 
How would it change things if you were able to access the car but your family is in the line of fire (say you're at a hotel and your wife/kids are asleep and you go out to get doughnuts, while you're warming up the car you notice something is going on)?
So...you're going to go out to your car and come back into the building with a rifle and engage a bunch of terrorists? Does that really sound like the kind of plan you want to try? Every (non) situation is different (no matter how absurdly, infinitesimally unlikely here in the US), but that would not be my first choice. Your almost only chance of survival and escape would be to stay completely unnoticed. Running around the premises is BAD. Running around the premises holding a rifle is REAL bad.
 
Good point,
Now what about the guy who likes to go to the range 3 days a week after work and commutes from the suburbs to the city? I don't see how he is in the wrong, remember a gun locked in the trunk is not in plain sight anyone stealing his vehicle is not doing it for the firearm and may not even find it. I don't keep a long gun in the trunk but I don't see how it's irresponsible if one desires it. A window rack would be a different matter
 
What if your vehicle has been disabled? It doesn't take much to turn a vehicle into a boat anchor. One blown fuse, a flat tire, even a busted windshield could keep you from going anywhere. Your disabled vehicle has now turned into a decent piece of cover if you need it though. And thats the scenario in my mind. I'm pinned down for whatever reason and need to defend myself until I can get to a safe place or the police get there
A vehicle is a TARGET, not a decent piece of cover. Get away from it. If you are seriously thinking that you are threatened (not sure what that scenario looks like, honestly) get back to a place where you can keep watch and run back when the cops do arrive, but where you won't be seen if the ... uh, biker gang or whatever ... comes upon your vehicular Alamo and thinks it is interesting.
 
Now what about the guy who likes to go to the range 3 days a week after work and commutes from the suburbs to the city?
You know, we could "what if" this to the n-th degree. No that doesn't sound unreasonable, but a lot depends on the actual hypothetical details. (What city, what part of that city, what's the security of the parking situation, how many minutes out of the way would it be to just go home and grab the rifle etc, etc.???)

Anyone who wants to do this will have to draw their own lines. My point is that a lot of the reasons given don't balance out ANY risk of loss of a weapon and/or giving a weapon into the hands of the criminal element.

We go to such lengths to tell folks that crime isn't usually committed with lawfully owned firarms, but with STOLEN guns. I don't trust cars/trucks to be anything more than magnets for theft.
 
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Holden, what if they beat someone with the tire iron stolen from your car? Do you share the responsibility? Again not saying you are wrong just asking

Ok, let introduce a little bit of levity here!

Quick quiz! Only people under 50!

Post one smiley if you know what a tire iron is. Post two smiles if you think you can use one to patch a tire. Post three if you've ever done it.

No old guys. You already know.
 
Holden, what if they beat someone with the tire iron stolen from your car? Do you share the responsibility? Again not saying you are wrong just asking

I would not. A tire iron is not a restricted item. They do not run background checks on tire irons. Any criminal could go purchase one. Or use another object of similar lethality (baseball bat, hammer, large stick, etc.) to commit their act of violence. A criminal with a record cannot buy a gun. They definitely may have difficulty purchasing an AR or something. Sure, there are ways they can get them, the easiest of which is stealing from law-abiding citizens. I just want to do my best to avoid being one of these "enablers."

The thing is that we all do take SOME pains to not put guns in the hands of evil and violent people. FFL holders have to take quite specific steps, and are above and beyond that, empowered and charged with denying sales to anyone who seems like they are up to no good.
The dealer (or seller) is not liable for the future criminal wrongdoing, but if we have been irresponsible in dispersing weapons, then yes, we hold some personal responsibility for not hindering, in fact abetting, those harms.

If you wouldn't leave it on your front lawn where a child might get their hands on it, probably shouldn't leave it in your car where the most bottom-tier criminals in your neigborhood will be looking for goodies anyway.

Agreed.
 
Well, to me a trunk gun is a beat up but reliable and reasonably accurate pawn shop orphan .22 (of mine one is a Nylon 66 and the other a Marlin 60, both $50 or $60) that gets taken out of the house in a case and put in the trunk when I am going to the mountains and taken out of the trunk and carried into the house when I get home. I take a beater may along on a casual trip to the mountains when any of the nicer guns might get left home.
 
I keep one most of the time. However there are a few things that make my situation a little bit different than most people. I live in a place where any day I might decide to run out to the desert just for fun. I have an ATV that I like to run out, and throw a rifle over the handlebars. I have also been known to recreate in MANY places where pot farms have sprung up. Just sayin'.

As for whether I would have the time to deploy it.....Well, maybe, maybe not. But I know what the odds are if I don't bring one at all. A pistol is backup. Use a rifle every single time you have the choice.
 
:) :) :) Also used them to change guests tires while working security.

Ya know, we missed the vital part of the first question - it's not trunk GUN, it's TRUNK MONKEY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lQKV3p9ezQ

How many of you know that a tire iron is not the same thing as a lug wrench?

The lug wrench is the thing you use to get be wheel off. Every new car comes with them, even if it's that stupid thing made out of stamped steel.

A tire iron is a giant spoon looking thing used to get the inner tube out of the tire so you can patch it. Yes, the bicycle is about the only modern vehicle I know about that still uses them.

I can't remember the last car I bought that had tubed tires.

http://www.harborfreight.com/24-inch-general-purpose-tire-iron-93230.htmlhttp://www.harborfreight.com/24-inch-general-purpose-tire-iron-93230.html

http://www.amazon.com/Motion-Pro-Spoon-Type-Tire-08-0115/dp/B000QG0AKIhttp://www.amazon.com/Motion-Pro-Spoon-Type-Tire-08-0115/dp/B000QG0AKI
 
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