Trusty 1911 , Im sorry but.....

[Ridgerunner665]

I carry 3 spare mags for the Glock 36.... if 25 rounds won't get me out of trouble I'm in over my head anyway.

 

[45_auto]

One can / could carry an extra magazine if the 6+1 of a Glock 36 or 7+1 of a Kimber Compact / Ultra / standard 1911 magazine isn't considered sufficient.

We were taught that one should always carry a spare mag for any auto pistol.

A double feed jam requires both hands to manipulate the slide to clear the jam. Fastest way to get back into action is to chunk the existing mag, clear the action, then go to the back-up mag.

We were always taught "Lock-Rip-Rack-Rack-Rack-Tap-Rack-Bang".

LOCK slide back
RIP mag out (it won't fall free, will be jammed in by second round not clearing feed lips)
RACK slide 3 times to clear action
TAP new mag into place
RACK slide to chamber round
BANG you're back in the fight

 

[Harley Quinn]

So many variables, so little time to explain to others if they can not comprehend the need for high cap and extra mags, if working in the field of LEO

 

[JustinJ]

""Well Justin, thats a perfect explanation of why you need to practice and do so in real life situtations"

Uh, my post specifically said that its not plausible, for civilians anyways, to train for all potentinal real life situations. I dont know about anyone else but i sure aint gona train for the "shooting back while in agony from a gunshot wound" scenario no matter what. Yes, i train as i have no doubt it will certainly improve my performance in a real life event. But good ammunition and increased capacity will also increase my chances.

 

[Usmc-1]

why wouldnt it plausible? do you think the gang bangers dont train? Im sorry but if your an enforcer in a gang (they train alot) , maybe the average dumb s_ _ t with a doo rag doesnt but neither does the average cop , I personally believe real world tactics are what save lives , not shooting at paper targets , I couldnt careless how many bullseyes you get , practice "centermass" and with that I mean a target of a man , use barricades ,cars if accessable , outdoor training is the best! Hell if you can find old Manniquins they work even better , because most of us dont have flat bellys , if you hit a target (paper) on the side , more than likely that would be a miss on a human!

 

[JustinJ]

Why wouldn't it be plausible to have somebody shoot at me while i train so i can practice for incoming fire? Because that's not safe. Why wouldn't it be plausible to shoot myself in the dominant hand so i can practice shooting with my left while i'm in extreme pain? Because that would be crazy.

I fully agree, train as much as possible in as many different ways as possible but one can't truly simulate a real life firefight so one will really never know how he will react unless it happens. That is why i dont care for comments like "it doesn't matter what caliber you carry, just hit em in the head" or "if you need more than seven rounds, blah, blah".

 

[KAS1981]

I really like 1911's, but I wouldn't call myself a fanboy or a die-hard by any means. I have one, and that's fine. I don't really want a whole collection of them.

However, I've yet to handle any firearm that feels & aims as natural as my 1911. It just feels.......right.

 

[Heretic]

Once had a Star model B that I had recut to .38 super. Worked great and I loved it.

As far as highcap.......well if I can't kill it with 8 rounds of .45, I don't deserve to be it's master.

 

[Casefull]

What good does high capacity do if you cannot shoot...it only provides a false sense of security in that if you pull the trigger more times the other guy will be afraid to shoot back or you might get lucky. How about one or two well placed shots. That is the good thing about hunting. You soon find out about follow up shots. They seldom occur. I knew a guy who held up a soldering gun cause he wanted to get shot. The swat officer obliged him with a long burst from an MP5. The guy was hit with 15 rounds and was all tore up but he was young and strong and is alive and seeking damages against the city. One center mass shot would have done more.

 

[RugerMcMarlin]

Don't be sorry Marine. It shows you have excellent reasoning skills, SF

 

[shiftyer1]

here ya go, I found the answer to your capacity problem

 

[Usmc-1]

if its .45 acp I want one!!! Except thats liable to be heavy as hell!

 

[Zerodefect]

I haven't seen any .45 hold more than 8-9 rounds and be CCW friendly. Glock, 1911, Sig, whatever.

So if you want to carry the best round, then you have to reload. Big deal. A 10round 1911 mag carries better than a 15round Glock 22 mag (that is only .40) as long as you use good mag holders like Raven Concealment.

I carry a 7 rounder in my 1911, with a 10 or two for reloading. Sometimes I'll carry a Glock 23 instead. But that's rarely based on capacity woes.

When I do choose the Glock usually it's because of weather, salt, or I want a faster easier Draw speed that day. Usually I don't carry a reload for the Glock, or at least I don't carry a reload on my belt.

18 rounds total is plenty.

People that get hung up on capacity need to get some formal training. Check out TDI Ohio or Magpul Dynamics.

 

[Autolycus]

I prefer the Glock for carry as it is a lighter gun. However I do love the trigger on the 1911. Either gun would be a fine choice in a defensive gun. Capacity is nice on the Glock and it is one of the nice benefits of the Glock lineup.

 

[MCMXI]

I like shooting my old 2003 Kimber 45acp more than any of my other pistols. And I'd shoot it more....but it's just a pain to break down and clean.

I find 1911s very easy and fast to break down and clean whether they're the FL or standard guide rod varieties. I like the fact that I can remove every part in under five minutes and that includes the hammer, sear, disconnector, trigger, firing pin/spring, extractor etc.

But today we have .45 pistols that hold up to 16 rounds and are more reliable than a production 1911 could ever dream of being. Nostalgia aside i personally cant see the appeal of 1911 for practical use. They're neat and fun guns with great historic and collector value but for real world use i believe there time has come and gone.

Add me to the list of those that think capacity is overrated. 8+1 in the pistol plus two or three 8-round spare magazines is quite enough for me. Even 7+1 and two or three 7-round magazines is fine.

I don't own an unreliable 1911 and would trust my life to any of them. I shot a 2-gun match a few months ago, and when it was over, wanted to use up some remaining ammunition to see how the pistol functioned out of position. I shot 139 rounds in under ten minutes after 300+ match rounds with no issues and no cleaning. The Kimber worked the way it always does ... with 100% reliability. I wanted to test the WC magazines and see if they worked with the pistol rotated 90, 180 and 270 degrees since I'd read that the magazine lips weren't conducive to reliable feeding when the pistol isn't held in the "optimal" position. I even tried holding the pistol with one hand inverted to see if limp wristing would cause a malfunction. The magazines and pistol worked just fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HxoUOo4KG0

 

[MCMXI]

People that get hung up on capacity need to get some formal training.

Or at the very least participate in local USPSA, IDPA or IPSC matches. When that buzzer goes off and you have to move, shoot and reload while trying to remember your game plan, you WILL become a much better shooter. That practice is directly applicable to a defensive situation. It's not the ideal training or practice but a lot better than doing nothing at all, or simply shooting at paper on a static, square range as many do.

 

[NMGonzo]

I have phases where I like 1911s and then I hate them for awhile.

you too?

 

[mljdeckard]

I have tried a lot of guns as well, and I don't have any reason to use anything other than 1911s either.

 

[Winkman822]

What do you consider "practical"? Have you ever seen a 150 lb guy with one of those high cap .45's in an IWB holster under a t-shirt? It sticks out like a 3rd leg.

For practical concealed carry, a high cap .45 isn't very high on most people's list, but a thin 1911 in an IWB will hide under almost anything on anybody.

Agreed. I"m in the category of smallish guys that carry a .45, for me a Glock 21 or 31 is out of the question, I could carry a 36, but with a six round magazine, I'd do just as well with a 1911 or a wheel gun.

 

[Stevie-Ray]

1911s aren't for everybody, sure. They are definitely for me, ever since the 80s when I got my first. I have had four, have three now, one of which I carry daily, and I'm not done buying them. When a gun fits you like no other, you can shoot it like no other, and it is drop-dead gorgeous like no other, it seems you'd be foolish not to have one/a few/several.