Trying to decide .357,.45acp,10mm?

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There was a 1911 style pistol chambered for the 357 that was at least semi-popular at one time. I'm not saying it would be better that a 10 mm Glock, just that if you want to duplicate 357 performance, you can't get any closer than that. In any case, it was noticably smaller, flatter, and lighter than a Desert Eagle. (I have a 10 mm Glock and I don't have a 357 bottom feeder.)

I'd be the first to admit that the 357 in the Desert Eagle doesn't make too much sense unless maybe it's a second barrel set for your 44 Desert Eagle.
 
I want semi-auto prefer 15 shot but can be less.
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Probably have to be a 10mm conversion of a Para P16-40 (fit 10mm barrel, recoil and mainsprings, possibly FP stop. Not a big deal at all) for a 1911, maybe an STI custom, or a stock Glock G20 (can't believe I just recommended a Glock :eek: :D )
 
In it's original hot loadings the 10 mm prohably had a tad more horse power than the 357. It's been loaded down a bit since then. But even assuming equal weight bullets at equal velocities the 10 mm has more diameter so you'll never convince the big bore crowd that the 357 is it's equal
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The truth of the matter is the origninal hot loadings for the .357 Magnum have been downloaded a whole lot more than the original loads for the 10mm. When you compare the hottest factory loads for the .357 Magnum to the hottest factory loads for the 10mm, you will find they are virtually identical in terms of ME and MV (and that's limiting the .357 Magnum to a four-inch barrel). As to diameter, we're talking about four one hundreths of an inch difference--you better have a set of calipers available if you're going to get excited about it.
 
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It's true the 357 Magnum has also been downloaded from its original specs.

As for the difference in diameters, I'm not claiming it's significant, I'm just pointing out that to a certain crowd, 0.0001 inch bigger is bigger, and bigger is what counts.
 
Thought I'd add my 2 cents on this. If you have the money: the Glock 20/29 can take not only the drop in barrels .357sig, 9x25 dillon, and .40s&w as mentioned, but can also accept a 22LR conversion upper and a 45 acp upper (from a G21/30). Might I go as far to say, with the 45 upper you have the option of adding a drop in 45 super, 400 cor-bon or .40 super barrel. Tallied up is....a total of 9 different calibers. Mind you the 45 upper is about $350. but if you are like me and your wife says she will only let you have one semiauto and one revolver, you have to think like this.

As for a good revolver I like the P&R medusa 47- 52 calibers in one gun! pretty much all 9mm/357/38 based calibers are accepted. This way you can pretty much shoot what ever they have on special. Use 357 mag for defense and play around with what ever you can get your hands on. Unofficially this also accepts rds like 32acp, etc.

I've shot alot. the 357 mag / revolver is a reliable tool that is hard to reckon with, but the larger cap, mag fed, 10mm is like something you only wish they made! The glock is also super reliable, but alot less can go wrong in a revolver.

Not that I'd steer clear of the .45, it has its place but the 357mag and 10mm are just more fun.

I trust 357 and 10mm with my life everyday. Ammo is just as important a choice as caliber and a bad cartridge in a good gun wont help you much.

Decide whats right for you. 10mm is harder to find, but well worth the search.
 
There was a 1911 style pistol chambered for the 357 that was at least semi-popular at one time. I'm not saying it would be better that a 10 mm Glock, just that if you want to duplicate 357 performance, you can't get any closer than that. In any case, it was noticably smaller, flatter, and lighter than a Desert Eagle.
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That would be the Coonan. Nice piece, and all but extinct, now.
 
i think like this less moving parts a plus next /self contained =no mag to lose accuracy and mild recoil a must i like autos but my first choice 357 taurus 8/7 6/5 shot for all uses stainless tracker or ti. first shot 38special target round or first three and spin the cylinder for full power 357 mags custom loads reload easy to save brass or make specialty bullits like wisper extra heavylow drag leave no brass laying around speed loaders if need more a lever 357 would make great back up piece fast to reload mild recoil good to 100 yrds and very fast follow up the ported 357 with 8in bar. and scope uery good and the 7 shot 4in tracker ti. with porting is what i like best
 
You can't lose - all good SD rounds.

If you buy your ammo, go 45 acp. Buy a case of 45 acp at a time and you'll shoot affordably too.

But if you reload, got 10mm. I like 357 sig but 10mm has more punch.

Get a Glock 20 and buy a 40SW and 357 sig barrel and have it all! I do :)
 
Yup Glock 10mm is right on!

Forgot about the Advantage Arms Conversion kit for .22lr too!

have one of those for my Glock 19/23 frame.

If you go 357sig, limited on conversions with mere barrel swaps. But some do 9mm conversions

Love my Glock 21 but if I can only have one large frame gun - my Glock 20 stays.
 
unspellable, have you shot a 357 sig or 10mm 1911?

Painful and that is why the Colt Delta Elite died off. Can't shoot full powerhouse 10mm in there without beating up the gun or your hand.

I traded off a Kimber Custom Series I 40 cal 1911 due to heavy recoil and hand spank - I know I should have just kept it and downloaded my 40 cal loadings but I got a P7M13 with the $$$$.

Don't recommend any 1911 in 45 acp or 9mm due to the way the 1911 operates.
 
Painful and that is why the Colt Delta Elite died off. Can't shoot full powerhouse 10mm in there without beating up the gun or your hand.
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Oh please, gimme a break. I swear this old saw just won't die.

While recoil is stout, it is by no means the fabled "wrist-wrecking/wrenching" recoil that detractors of the cartridge try to use to scare people with (looks sternly at .45, and particularly the 9mm camps).

In fact, I find my 10mm 1911 far more comfortable to shoot than a .357 revolver. A box of .357 and I'm about done. With RZ-42 I can shoot 250 rounds of Double Taps and be ready for more. Unfortunately time doesn't usually allow for that.

In truth, the only downsides to the 10 is ammo availability and price. The availability concern is solved by picking up the phone. As for price, well, not much help there without reloading.
 
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I've never had the occasion to fire the 357 SIG although the cartridge intrigues me. I launch my 10 mm's from a Glock. No problems with recoil. I've never tried a 10 mm in a 1911 style pistol.

The 10 mm produces more stress o nthe p[istol than a 45 ACP and really requires a redesign rather than a rebarrel. An engineer at Ruger told me this was the main reason they did not expect to produce a 10 mm pistol for a somewhat limited market.

As for the 1911 style pistol, it's never been my favorite. There is something about the recoil that bothers me, even in a 45 ACP. Not total recoil, but rather an unsettling effect as the slide shucks back and forth. Personal problem I guess.
 
Not total recoil, but rather an unsettling effect as the slide shucks back and forth.
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I've noticed this too. In fact you can see it on some Army training films, as the slide returns to battery there's a snap forward that tends to pull the muzzle down. Interestingly I don't feel it with my 10 like I have with .45's.
 
A snap forward? I am not quite sure I am understanding you guys :confused:

When shooting my 1911, I don't notice any unusual recoil effects when compared to other autoloaders.
 
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Dunno what to tell ya. If you haven't felt it you haven't felt it. It was actually a friend who pointed it out years ago saying that's why he didn't like my M1991. After he pointed it out, I noticed it too but it didn't bother me.

Then some time later I was watching a TV show that had at least a segment on the 1911, probably American shooter but I couldn't say for sure, and they had some old footage of Army types shooting 1911's out on the target range. I was watching the gun and noticed that a lot of the time you could see the muzzle dip as the slide returned to battery. This was visual confirmation of what my friend and I had felt and that it wasn't just us.

What causes it, I don't know. Personal suspicion is that it may be related to poor grip. On those old film clips they were shooting one-handed with a low hold and it's only in the last couple of years that I learned a proper grip myself. I don't have a .45 at this time to check myself but plan on getting another once this little cash-flow problem recedes.
 
they had some old footage of Army types shooting 1911's out on the target range. I was watching the gun and noticed that a lot of the time you could see the muzzle dip as the slide returned to battery.
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While I've never noticed it myself, it's entirely possible that the mass of the slide returning to battery could cause the dip. Or, it might be caused by a flinch. Were the soldiers shooting timed or rapid fire in the footage you saw?
 
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On a 1911 the slide returning to the end of it forward travel on the loading stroke will tend to impart a forward motion to the gun causing the dip. (Actually tending to stop the rearward motion of the whole pistol rather than imparting forward motion.) Different actions will produce different recoil efffects. On the Luger for instance, the toggle rises during recoil, tending to hold the gun down, maybe qualifies as the first compensator on a pistol. (Lumping the Borchardt in with the Luger.) On a broomhandle the bolt has a rather small mass relative to the rest of the pistol, moves in a straight line in line with the bore and doesn't have much effect on perception of the recoil.
 
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